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US Closing Embassies in Mideast for a Day amid Possible Qaeda Threat.....

MMC said:


Course if those from the political left wouldn't have avoided the Obvious and Clear Warning signs.....prior to that specific attack. Then there would have been No compromise of CIA warehouses and a Safehouse. Along with all those agents and operations that were taking place.
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Not necessarily, spy operations get busted. At which point the primary task is to cover any evidence of it, not to save someone's life.
 
rocket88 said:
Not necessarily, spy operations get busted. At which point the primary task is to cover any evidence of it, not to save someone's life.
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Well....we know a few others were injured as well, which they still haven't released those names. Plus myself.....I think they (Team Obama) did a good job in deflecting that we were sending Weapons to Libya. Couldn't have that come out after Obama said.....NO!

Plus Hillary testified they were taking control of Gadhafis Warehouses. (plural) She also Specifically stated Man Pads. Which again the Syrian Rebels somehow ended up getting.

Also like you said cover up would be in effect. For all.....those getting out and for those who will be staying.
 
MaggieD said:
Sixty-nine agents given early retirement and full pensions hinging on their silence is tough to beat.
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This is what she typed, sure looks like she is saying 69 agents are being bought off by holding their pensions over their heads. To think so many agents who risk so much everyday they are in a far off land can be so blackmailed.... she didn't stop and think who she was talking about.

And while we are at it, just how does she know all 69 are getting the golden parachute?
 
rocket88 said:
Exactly. They weren't in Benghazi to be security detail for the ambassador, they had a job to do.
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They left an embassy unguarded in a war zone. Nobody ever thought to at least evacuate them?


notquiteright said:
Actually the Marines do not guard the embassy or the Ambassador. The 5 man detachments, headed by a senior NCO who reports to the RSO, (more than likely a CIA agent), safe keep the secured communications and top secret documents an embassy may have. When the Iranian Embassy was overrun in '79 the Marines did not resist as their mission was to destroy the top secret communications equipment, codes and secret files.

The State Dept contracts with private security firms, which may or maynot be CIA operatives, for body guards. These are professional highly trained soldiers with a much higher level of training than an embassy Marine. (back in my day they were called mercenaries or mercs) Highly motivated these men fight and die under contract not under oath. For some that is a difference. These men were not aid workers or civil engineers, they were life takers- maybe heart breakers too, ya never know....

So while the cover of meeting with some Turkish official was given, just why the Ambassador left the far better protected embassy for the well known as exposed and vulnerable Consulate for such a routine meeting begs for an answer I doubt 'national security' will permit.
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Today mercenaries are just called PMC's. I think it's supposed to put a fresh face on the second oldest profession. I just remember seeing Marines at the Embassy in Korea and they looked like they meant serious business at all times. I figured they actually did something, since they were always in their battle dress uniforms, and not their Class B's. At least I think they're class B's. Short sleeve khaki shirt, blue pants, and the ridiculous hat.
 
So it was a mistake not to close Benghazi due to a supposedly-known threat but closing embassies now is a mistake. Interesting.
 
Surtr said:
They left an embassy unguarded in a war zone. Nobody ever thought to at least evacuate them?
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No, they didn't leave the Embassy unguarded. But that's just semantics.

Regardless, the CIA was not in Benghazi to be his bodyguard.
 
rocket88 said:
No, they didn't leave the Embassy unguarded. But that's just semantics.

Regardless, the CIA was not in Benghazi to be his bodyguard.
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I never said otherwise. I'm saying they should have had a security detail for the Embassy in the middle of a godamned civil war. If they couldn't do that, they should have evacted all personnel, since the situation was beyond US control.
 
MMC said:
Yeah, Most with an ABC education would know CIA agents aren't soldiers. So your attempt at trying to explain in any way is a moot point. Unless you need it so, to explain it to yourself. Since it is clear you need to watch Hollywood to have some sort of idea as to what you can correlate with the CIA. They do what is necessary when it comes to getting out from a blown mission and saving others lives that are all part of their operations. Working independently of others. Just like they do in any war zone. Course if those from the political left wouldn't have avoided the Obvious and Clear Warning signs.....prior to that specific attack. Then there would have been No compromise of CIA warehouses and a Safehouse. Along with all those agents and operations that were taking place.
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Well it would appear you lack an ABC education as you asked if so many agents were running around why couldn't they get any help...post #16. You seem to think the agents could have formed a flying column and rode in to the rescue... :roll:

I have a very clear idea of what E&E is, you apparently think hollywood antics are part and parcel of covert ops. No the agents don't just abandon their missions and cover stories on their own. As in a military mission you continue your part until told otherwise.

Again you have no clue as to the condition of the mission. Just because a CO gets hit doesn't mean the mission ends. for all anyone knows the mission continued for sometime.

The problem with most on the radical right is they make crap up to suit. What obvious signs the consulate was going to be hit? There was a CIA operation using the Consulate as a base- you can't just close it and possibly strand the 69 agents you have out there. There are dozens of signals of trouble, most never happen. risks were assessed as best they could be. but you think there was only one threat possible???

It is armchair generalship to sit NOW and say-"This sign was legit and this one bogus"

I think it is very partisan to think the Ambassador would go to the Consulate if the signs were any worse than any other given day when he walks out among the people.
 
MMC said:
This Sunday is Obama's Birthday.....The US is being Threatened that our Embassies in the ME, will be hit. This is all we are being told at this time. Other than it may go beyond this Sunday. Thoughts upon the matter?



The United States is closing all of its embassies Sunday in the Middle East and parts of Asia because of a possible al-Qaeda-related threat to diplomatic posts worldwide, American officials told NBC News on Thursday.

The U.S. has been "apprised of information that out of an abundance of caution and care for our employees and others who may be visiting our installations, that indicates we should institute these precautionary steps," said State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf.

A senior State Department official told NBC News that all embassies that are usually open in Sundays — primarily those in Muslim countries and Israel — would be closed Aug. 4 "out of an abundance of caution." Sunday is a normal workday in those countries.

Sunday is President Barack Obama's 52nd birthday, and it's also the day Iran inaugurates Hassan Rowhani as its new president. But U.S. officials told NBC News they had heard nothing to indicate that the date was chosen for either of those reasons.....snip~

US closing embassies in Mideast for a day amid possible Qaeda threat
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It's Obama's fault!!! He should have been born on a Wednesday!!! Hump night. Party and not do terrorist stuff!!!!!
 
notquiteright said:
This is what she typed, sure looks like she is saying 69 agents are being bought off by holding their pensions over their heads. To think so many agents who risk so much everyday they are in a far off land can be so blackmailed.... she didn't stop and think who she was talking about.

And while we are at it, just how does she know all 69 are getting the golden parachute?
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Here is her whole Quote.....

Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

Two weeks into the scandal, there was information out there that the CIA was running a gun operation there. I guess the "news" is that there were so many agents on the ground. We'll probably never find out the truth here. Sixty-nine agents given early retirement and full pensions hinging on their silence is tough to beat.....snip~


Course any with common sense or was in the service would know about the basics and Classified Information over Operations. So if agents are sent out to pasture. They would be given their Retirement. Without having to ever say a word.

Doesn't mean they are bought off. Also Could be that their lives are saved even more and they are out of the game, for good.

As far as I know......there hasn't been any information to say if they have been moved to other operations. Other than what Hicks brought out with his testimony. Which involved higher ups.
 
Surtr said:
I never said otherwise. I'm saying they should have had a security detail for the Embassy in the middle of a godamned civil war. If they couldn't do that, they should have evacted all personnel, since the situation was beyond US control.
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They did have security at the Embassy, but consulates are usually not as well guarded. It's also not normal for the Ambassador to be at a consulate for an extended period. For example, there's a Russian consulate in Seattle -- but it's not as heavily guarded as the Embassy in Washington, and the Ambassador rarely, if ever, goes there.

It seems kind of fishy that the Ambassador would leave the relative security of the Embassy for a far less secure Consulate where the CIA was operating unless he was involved in what the CIA was doing.
 
notquiteright said:
Well it would appear you lack an ABC education as you asked if so many agents were running around why couldn't they get any help...post #16. You seem to think the agents could have formed a flying column and rode in to the rescue... :roll:

I have a very clear idea of what E&E is, you apparently think hollywood antics are part and parcel of covert ops. No the agents don't just abandon their missions and cover stories on their own. As in a military mission you continue your part until told otherwise.

Again you have no clue as to the condition of the mission. Just because a CO gets hit doesn't mean the mission ends. for all anyone knows the mission continued for sometime.

The problem with most on the radical right is they make crap up to suit. What obvious signs the consulate was going to be hit? There was a CIA operation using the Consulate as a base- you can't just close it and possibly strand the 69 agents you have out there. There are dozens of signals of trouble, most never happen. risks were assessed as best they could be. but you think there was only one threat possible???

It is armchair generalship to sit NOW and say-"This sign was legit and this one bogus"

I think it is very partisan to think the Ambassador would go to the Consulate if the signs were any worse than any other given day when he walks out among the people.
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No.....you misunderstood that's not my lacking education since you think you can assume whatever, while trying explain what you don't know about. Which is why you need to watch TV to even understand what is being correlated about with the CIA.

Also You have no clear idea as to even how many are involved. The 69 on the ground are mentioned. None others. So once again you assume. Which we know what goes with all your assuming. So other operations were more than likely running even after the attack.

Problem with most radical left thinking.....is they forgot the warning signs that Hillary's Dept dismissed. Which was pointed out in her own independent investigation, with their findings.

Well that's what you think.....good thing the majority of the country doesn't think like you do.

Not to mention.....McCain was already interviewed several times. Stating he had seen Stevens a week before. Wherein Stevens brought his concerns directly to McCain. Which.....there goes your theory about Stevens walk around and how things were being perceived by him.
 
Surtr said:
Today mercenaries are just called PMC's. I think it's supposed to put a fresh face on the second oldest profession. I just remember seeing Marines at the Embassy in Korea and they looked like they meant serious business at all times. I figured they actually did something, since they were always in their battle dress uniforms, and not their Class B's. At least I think they're class B's. Short sleeve khaki shirt, blue pants, and the ridiculous hat.
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When we were training them, back in the heyday, we called 'em 'Contractors'. 'Ours' did a variety of missions- checkpoints, High Value Personnel Close Escort, High Risk Convoy Escort, Facility guard.

Korea is a tad different as it is still technically a war zone.

The Marine Security Guard consists of 1000 Marines for 150 locations. typical detachment is 5 men. Their mission is to guard the classified equipment and materials. (wiki)
 
Sisyphus said:
It's Obama's fault!!! He should have been born on a Wednesday!!! Hump night. Party and not do terrorist stuff!!!!!
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Well, it's also the Party Night for Iran since they will have a New President.....but whats Obama's fault?

Even tho its his Birthday.....they don't think al-Qaeda is doing it because he was born on that day.
 
MMC said:
Well, it's also the Party Night for Iran since they will have a New President.....but whats Obama's fault?

Even tho its his Birthday.....they don't think al-Qaeda is doing it because he was born on that day.
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Not sure. I'll ask my al Qaeda buddies and get a bead on it. They're the ones with the Obama 2012 stickers slowly fading on their car-bumpers.
 
rocket88 said:
They did have security at the Embassy, but consulates are usually not as well guarded. It's also not normal for the Ambassador to be at a consulate for an extended period. For example, there's a Russian consulate in Seattle -- but it's not as heavily guarded as the Embassy in Washington, and the Ambassador rarely, if ever, goes there.

It seems kind of fishy that the Ambassador would leave the relative security of the Embassy for a far less secure Consulate where the CIA was operating unless he was involved in what the CIA was doing.
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Well.....with these closing of Embassies and the concern being an Attack by Al Qaeda or their likes. I thought it was strange that we would close the embassy in Israel. As I am sure Israel will be on point themselves.
 
MMC said:
Here is her whole Quote.....

Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

Two weeks into the scandal, there was information out there that the CIA was running a gun operation there. I guess the "news" is that there were so many agents on the ground. We'll probably never find out the truth here. Sixty-nine agents given early retirement and full pensions hinging on their silence is tough to beat.....snip~


Course any with common sense or was in the service would know about the basics and Classified Information over Operations. So if agents are sent out to pasture. They would be given their Retirement. Without having to ever say a word.

Doesn't mean they are bought off. Also Could be that their lives are saved even more and they are out of the game, for good.

As far as I know......there hasn't been any information to say if they have been moved to other operations. Other than what Hicks brought out with his testimony. Which involved higher ups.
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Exactly- no one knows what has happened to the 69 agents that were supposedly on the ground in Libya. She doesn't say ANY of that, just a early retirement and full pension hinging on their silence- as if these people who risk far more in a single day than most here ever have in their lives would NOT speak up if a serious wrong doing occurred.

The fact is we may never know all that happened simply because national security is involved- NOT because a whole class of agents got retired to cover 'team Obama'. (and no oath of secrecy prevents pointing out wrong doing or talking to congress- they just can't Snowden.
 
Sisyphus said:
Not sure. I'll ask my al Qaeda buddies and get a bead on it. They're the ones with the Obama 2012 stickers slowly fading on their car-bumpers.
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Okay you do that.....then word up on their response. I always did enjoy a good chuckle.
 
MMC said:
Okay you do that.....then word up on their response. I always did enjoy a good chuckle.
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Okay .... brb ...
 
MMC said:
Well.....with these closing of Embassies and the concern being an Attack by Al Qaeda or their likes. I thought it was strange that we would close the embassy in Israel. As I am sure Israel will be on point themselves.
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Maybe a little, but terrorist attacks in Israel are not unheard of.
 
MMC said:
Okay you do that.....then word up on their response. I always did enjoy a good chuckle.
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Wow!!! Am I shocked or what???

Not as I thought (Obama born on Sunday)

Turns out it's a Michelle-connection. Baby got back and al Qaeda is in a twist, since she's hot, creates sexual thought, and embassies must be attacked.

Seems asking trumps assuming. Great to know what's actually going on. And thus, many thanks for the suggestion.
 
MMC said:
No.....you misunderstood that's not my lacking education since you think you can assume whatever, while trying explain what you don't know about. Which is why you need to watch TV to even understand what is being correlated about with the CIA. Also You have no clear idea as to even how many are involved. The 69 on the ground are mentioned. None others. So once again you assume. Which we know what goes with all your assuming. So other operations were more than likely running even after the attack. Problem with most radical left thinking.....is they forgot the warning signs that Hillary's Dept dismissed. Which was pointed out in her own independent investigation, with their findings. Well that's what you think.....good thing the majority of the country doesn't think like you do. Not to mention.....McCain was already interviewed several times. Stating he had seen Stevens a week before. Wherein Stevens brought his concerns directly to McCain. Which.....there goes your theory about Stevens walk around and how things were being perceived by him.
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Actually there are MANY reports on how Ambassador Stevens walked out among the Libyans, much to his paid security detail's angst. His RSO was quite nervous about security, the one who was not present in country at the time of the attack.

I love how you now embrace the lame stream media on this. gospel to you now... :lol:

And again the threats are constant deadlines come and go constantly. Operations run even in high risk environments. Threats are never 'dismissed' if there isn't confirmation from several sources it is difficult to pull the plug at every rumor, or shut down all embassies/consulates/missions in the area every time there is a rumor. That is handing the terrorists too many easy victories.

A republican politician makes a claim on TV and it is gospel, Hillary or Obama's people say something and it's a total lie- you are very selective.

And you are clueless on how many actual agents were anywhere near the Consulate... you really think 69 were in Benghazi??? they would have been tripping over each other.

Now on what a majority thinks- once again I believe the radical right is fooling only itself...
 
notquiteright said:
Exactly- no one knows what has happened to the 69 agents that were supposedly on the ground in Libya. She doesn't say ANY of that, just a early retirement and full pension hinging on their silence- as if these people who risk far more in a single day than most here ever have in their lives would NOT speak up if a serious wrong doing occurred.

The fact is we may never know all that happened simply because national security is involved- NOT because a whole class of agents got retired to cover 'team Obama'. (and no oath of secrecy prevents pointing out wrong doing or talking to congress- they just can't Snowden.
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Oh, was there suppose to be some correct way for her to say what she did. Who said she had to say anything other than what she did. The as if part is how you say you are taking it.

Course most on the extreme left likes to take things out of context when they try to do all that thinking for others.
 
Sisyphus said:
Wow!!! Am I shocked or what???

Not as I thought (Obama born on Sunday)

Turns out it's a Michelle-connection. Baby got back and al Qaeda is in a twist, since she's hot, creates sexual thought, and embassies must be attacked.

Seems asking trumps assuming. Great to know what's actually going on. And thus, many thanks for the suggestion.
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Yeah but nothing like a party.....they might have to check with Trump tho. As he might have bought their casinos.
 
MMC said:
Oh, was there suppose to be some correct way for her to say what she did. Who said she had to say anything other than what she did. The as if part is how you say you are taking it.

Course most on the extreme left likes to take things out of context when they try to do all that thinking for others.
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Funny I thought it was SOP for the radical right to pretend there was no other way to say something that doesn't smear someone's reputation and courage-

How about national security can easily make it impossible to know every thing that happened for another 50 to 60 years and leave out the appearance of so many agents being bought off with early retirements and pensions when it is just as easy to keep them on the job and still sworn to secrecy. :roll:
 
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