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Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

Henry David said:
So are you sir.

You are one who believes the official theory as fervently as one believes in church dogma.

I believe that some OTHER theory must be true, because this one has been invalidated, years ago.
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Be quiet, Henry. You come off smarter that way.
 
I'm so impressed....
 
Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

OK, it would be considered a breach of security if the details of how they administer their
system became public, HOWEVER ...May I suggest that maybe some administrator is
derelict in his or her duties in this matter. Note that many of the people who work
as low level minions of corporate America, have access to computer resources provided
by the company however access to specific sensitive bits is limited for obvious reasons,
this can be very simply done in any number of different systems by simply assigning
groups of people specific limited permission to access data. if it was not done in
systems that are operated on behalf of WE THE PEOPLE and taxpayer funded,
WHY was it not done?
 
Menard_K said:
Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records
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I'm not worried about "low level" NSA workers. It is the high level ones that concern me.
 
fmw said:
I'm not worried about "low level" NSA workers. It is the high level ones that concern me.
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I see your point, very much.

I'm worried about all of them.
 
greyhat said:
You guys are paranoid and scared of your shadow.
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You are a statist and completely ignorant of constitutional principles. Ignorant or simply don't care, I don't know which.
 
Henry David said:
You are a statist and completely ignorant of constitutional principles. Ignorant or simply don't care, I don't know which.
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Neither actually; I just happen to see the issue from a different angle than you.
 
greyhat said:
Neither actually; I just happen to see the issue from a different angle than you.
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Somehow, your posts here do not tend to confirm what you claim. :peace
 
I'm always amazed at how some people talk about the constitution. Like they think it's a holy writ, created by saints. So odd.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
I'm always amazed at how some people talk about the constitution. Like they think it's a holy writ, created by saints. So odd.
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So since it was not written by saints, it can be trampled by the government whenever they so choose?
 
Jango said:
So since it was not written by saints, it can be trampled by the government whenever they so choose?
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lol? Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

The point is that I'm always amused at how people like Henry try to make the argument about who loves the constitution more: No, i'm more constitutionally minded then you, so I win! It's akin to trying to play the morality card when discussing international relations.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
lol? Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

The point is that I'm always amused at how people like Henry try to make the argument about who loves the constitution more: No, i'm more constitutionally minded then you, so I win! It's akin to trying to play the morality card when discussing international relations.
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Which the U.S. does, at least publicly.
 
Jango said:
Which the U.S. does, at least publicly.
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Which all countries do, publicly. And none of them abide by it privately, and that's perfectly understandable. As Richelieu said, "Man is immortal, his salvation is hereafter; the state has no immortality, its salvation is now or never."
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Which all countries do, publicly. And none of them abide by it privately, and that's perfectly understandable. As Richelieu said, "Man is immortal, his salvation is hereafter; the state has no immortality, its salvation is now or never."
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I don't recall China talking about it (human rights or other morality issues) besides to thumb their noses at the U.S. Russia/Soviet Union falls into the same category.
 
Jango said:
I don't recall China talking about it (human rights or other morality issues) besides to thumb their noses at the U.S. Russia/Soviet Union falls into the same category.
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Sure they do. They say the rest of the world has no right to get involved in the Taiwan issue because it's a Chinese problem for the Chinese people to figure out. That's taking a moral stand. Russia supports Serbia similar issues, having to do with Slavic people, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the use of the Cyrillic alphabet. Those are both moral appeals, saying "You wouldn't want someone in your business so don't get into ours." A moral argument. More obviously in current affairs, Russia continues to accuse the West of sowing violence and supporting an illegal insurrection in Syria. That's putting a veneer of human rights (the 'right' to not to have to live in a warzone) over their motives.

All countries do this. It's nothing new. The US isn't special.
 
Yeah, you're right. I was thinking of the Taiwan issue as just a territorial dispute though and not a moral stand that comes with it.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
I'm always amazed at how some people talk about the constitution. Like they think it's a holy writ, created by saints. So odd.
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No, they think of it as what it is, a document designed to limit the power of government - something that is sorely needed in this day and age.
 
fmw said:
No, they think of it as what it is, a document designed to limit the power of government - something that is sorely needed in this day and age.
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"I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help you." That is the flawed premise that justifies this NSA infringement upon our privacy. Anything that can be abused will be abused, especially power.
 
DaveFagan said:
"I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help you." That is the flawed premise that justifies this NSA infringement upon our privacy. Anything that can be abused will be abused, especially power.
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Amen. It is always about power and will always be about power. Sadly, our system gives power to the last people that should have it - the power hungry.
 
fmw said:
No, they think of it as what it is, a document designed to limit the power of government - something that is sorely needed in this day and age.
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It's not like 'the people' are any better. Think of how dumb the average person is: half of them are dumber than that. Oligarchy is needed across the globe.

Of course, this has nothing to do with what the NSA is doing, though, no matter how someone might try to shoehorn it in.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
It's not like 'the people' are any better. Think of how dumb the average person is: half of them are dumber than that. Oligarchy is needed across the globe.

Of course, this has nothing to do with what the NSA is doing, though, no matter how someone might try to shoehorn it in.
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It has nothing to do with the thread but you thought you would throw a little nonsense in to entertain us?
 
fmw said:
It has nothing to do with the thread but you thought you would throw a little nonsense in to entertain us?
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Was I the one that started the conversation about limiting power or you? But you're right, it has nothing to do with anything and you should very quickly stop speaking about and focus on the subject.
 
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