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Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records

LMFAOL!! Someone who actually works in SIGINT tries to give you a real f clue how shyt works and you dismiss him. Typical. Blah blah 1984, blah blah Big Brother, blah blah, am a victim, blah blah... You guys are hilarious! Get a clue.

You get a clue: people don't like being spied on.

As to what OWO says, it's anecdotal. Unless he can provide actual evidence, he, as well as you, can shove it. You're not fooling anyone.
 
You get a clue: people don't like being spied on.

As to what OWO says, it's anecdotal. Unless he can provide actual evidence, he, as well as you, can shove it. You're not fooling anyone.

Thats the problem: You assume you're being spied on. You fail to realize that the huge amounts of information that are collected and need to be analyzed wouldn't allow for someone to just sit around and spy on all 310 million Americans.
 
Thats the problem: You assume you're being spied on. You fail to realize that the huge amounts of information that are collected and need to be analyzed wouldn't allow for someone to just sit around and spy on all 310 million Americans.

Your incredulity aside, information on all of us is being collected without our ****ing permission.
 
Your incredulity aside, information on all of us is being collected without our ****ing permission.

If you expect to have privacy of the web then you've been fooling yourself...
 
Greenwald says 'low-level' NSA workers can tap into phone, Internet records | Fox News

So how do you feel about this? Do you think that this dragnet that ensnares us all is necessary and just? How about Constitutional? Does it make you feel safer? What is the natural progression from here?

It's no more constitutional than scanning an individuals thoughts while claiming; "well we can scan your thoughts because we have the technology hence it's public domain because we say so" which is pretty much the legal argument they've been attempting...
 
Faith is when you believe in something you know ain't true. :lol:
 
Tweet of the day:


If i put the Constitution in my emails would the government start reading it?

@F_TheGovernment
 
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Weird how actual legal experts disagree with you guys. Almost like it isn't at all cut-and-dried like you guys would like to think it was. Hmmm.
If you believe it is ever okay for your government to spy on you then you are not fit to be free.
 
Huh? Those controls have nothing to do with him. He was never able to target anyone. He was a ****ing computer guy lol. All he knew was that the program existed. He wasn't an analyst- certainly not a collector- nor was he an administrator of either. He wasn't important. He might as well have been a cook.

He has nothing to do with controls.

hackers are able to do a lot of damage with a simple computer.
 
Earlier I wrote, "If you believe it is ever okay for your government to spy on you then you are not fit to be free."

LOL now that took some serious thought...
You speak the truth without recognizing it.
 
It's not really true. It's like saying anyone can steal something from a store. Sure, you can do it, but you're gonna get in trouble.

This. Ability to abuse does not mean authorized to abuse.

For example, as a Marine I've been taught to find and then kill people. I could abuse that by going and hunting people I happen to not like, or who I just think have it coming, or heck, who were wearing the wrong color shirt.

And then I would go to prison if I didn't get executed.


Given that - as an government employee - every friggin keystroke you make on a government computer is taggable, I'm betting just going in unauthorized and starting too look up the email traffic of the brother-in-law you don't particularly like is going to get you nabbed fairly quickly.
 
If you believe it is ever okay for your government to spy on you then you are not fit to be free.

What an interesting use of absolutes. So, for example, if I were engaged in smuggling children for sex-slave purposes, you would argue that the FBI should not be allowed to tap my phone or observe my movements in order to bring me down?
 
This. Ability to abuse does not mean authorized to abuse.

Given that - as an government employee - every friggin keystroke you make on a government computer is taggable, I'm betting just going in unauthorized and starting too look up the email traffic of the brother-in-law you don't particularly like is going to get you nabbed fairly quickly.
Unless, of course, the whole reason for having the ability is to use it.
 
What an interesting use of absolutes. So, for example, if I were engaged in smuggling children for sex-slave purposes, you would argue that the FBI should not be allowed to tap my phone or observe my movements in order to bring me down?

At that point where a warrant has been sought after and given by an impartial judge then it is no longer spying. It is police work.

We are NOT subjects. Our government does NOT have the right to spy on us. This must stop. Or we will have a second declaration of independence. Armed insurrections have happened here. One can happen again.
 
At that point where a warrant has been sought after and given by an impartial judge then it is no longer spying. It is police work.

We are NOT subjects. Our government does NOT have the right to spy on us. This must stop. Or we will have a second declaration of independence. Armed insurrections have happened here. One can happen again.

Why does everyone keep assuming its about THEM? Do you understand that these programs were not designed for DOMESTIC purposes??
 
Why does everyone keep assuming its about THEM? Do you understand that these programs were not designed for DOMESTIC purposes??
And yet apparently they work very nicely on US citizens.

It is very important that we elect honorable people. It has been a long time since we have done so.

I do not believe the people who rule us. Shall we select, randomly about 10,000 ordinary citizens to provide oversight? If 3/4ths of them agree that what we are doing is appropriate for a free people I will believe them.
 
Unless, of course, the whole reason for having the ability is to use it.

Depending on who and what and why. The Police, for example, have the ability to seize citizens and incarcerate them against their will, using all levels of force up to and including deadly, if necessary. They have that ability so that they will be able to use it when it is proper to do so, and if they use it when it is improper for them to do so, then they face punishment under the law - just as some low-level NSA worker would if he tried to access data banks which he has no Need To Know for, or use it to illegally collect on an American person without a warrant.

At that point where a warrant has been sought after and given by an impartial judge then it is no longer spying. It is police work.

That is a distinction without a difference - the activity is the exact same whatever you call it; a rose by any other name is still a rose. Furthermore, "warrant" appeared nowhere in your original statement. If you now wish to amend your claim, I'm fine with that, but you need to make it explicit.
 
It's best to just put OldWorldOrder on ignore. He's just here to distract from the issues at hand.

:shrug: from his language it actually appears that he knows what he's talking about.

Little surprise people wishing to find a reason to hyperventilate about jackboots would find that a source of cognitive dissonance, and seek to cut themselves off from it.
 
Your incredulity aside, information on all of us is being collected without our ****ing permission.

Wrong. Your representatives gave permission on your behalf, which is their job - to make decisions on your behalf. :) Vote wisely.
 
If there is one moment or one issue that people ought to be able to shed ideology and come together on, this is it. You can't support data mining and claim NOT to be a fascist at the same time. You just can't.
How incredibly silly. Surely you realize the fact that the political ideology you refer to extends into the economic and social realms as well, not to mention the important distinction between passive monitoring and dictating. This sort of binary reasoning discredits your position immediately.
 
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