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Boo Radley said:
Nope, we knew about that attack. So, throwing that up doesn't support your claim. You're dancing tinker bell. ;)
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Good grief!:doh:....I am sure you think this is part of civil discussion....:roll: Do us all a favor Joe, and quit trying to be clever, you can't pull it off. ;)
 
OldWorldOrder said:
I don't think you read the post very well, because nothing that you just
said is at odds with the post I quoted. They're both right.
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You basically attributed legitimacy to Nextextra's diatribe.
 
Boo Radley said:
You believe a claim not proven. That says it all.
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John Kerry made a claim back in the early 70's that he was himself, a war criminal. Here's what he had to say to NBC's meet the press;
"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals."-John Kerry

Now people capable of thought, figured the then young man to be nothing more than a liar. People capable of thought, figured the same thing when he told additional lies to the Senate around the same time, nothing more than a young man telling a pack of lies. Had anyone in a position of authority been stupid enough to believe a word out of his mouth, Kerry would have been charged with crimes.

So do you believe John Kerry is a war criminal? He said he was.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Have you ever read the "Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002"? I didn't think so. It must list at least 50 different UN resolutions that Iraq had failed to follow or was just going through the motions on. John Kerry was and is full of crap. He votes for authorization of the use of force then wants to cherry pick his way out of his own vote. But liars lie and he hasn't changed one bit over the years.

The UN resolutions listed in the "Authorization for use of Military Force against Iraq resolution of 2002" are just a part of what is included in the act. There are many other justification's and reasons cited as reasons why we were to go to war with Iraq. Once again, John Kerry is full of crap because apparently he doesn't mention those. One of the many other reasons listed that the Democrat and Republican members of the House and Senate cited in passing the "Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" was the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998". Yes that's right, check the date out that bill became public law of the United States of America. Guess what President signed that bill into law, it wasn't Bush. Here's a little part of what's included in the 1998 law that was used in part for justification of the Iraq War:
"SEC. 3. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS REGARDING UNITED STATES POLICY TOWARD IRAQ.

It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."


Now granted the 1998 law did not authorize war against Iraq but the policy established in 1998 by the US Government had never changed so the law in 2002 used in part, the 1998 policy. Now why doesn't John Kerry talk about that instead of telling his lies?
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I've read it, the all of the kit hen sink approach doesn't add up to invasion. And you last sentence does not say: we declare war on Iraq. At the end if the day, the final decision was left up to Bush, and Bush alone. He and he alone ad the final word.
 
j-mac said:
Hmmmm....Sounds like man made Global Warming....:lol:
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Man made global warming has tons more evidence. So if you guys were t all consistent, you'd doubt it. ;)
 
j-mac said:
Good grief!:doh:....I am sure you think this is part of civil discussion....:roll: Do us all a favor Joe, and quit trying to be clever, you can't pull it off. ;)
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It's that humor thing. I don't think you ever get it. Pull it off or not, relax just a little. ;)
 
ItAin'tFree said:
John Kerry made a claim back in the early 70's that he was himself, a war criminal. Here's what he had to say to NBC's meet the press;
"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals."-John Kerry

Now people capable of thought, figured the then young man to be nothing more than a liar. People capable of thought, figured the same thing when he told additional lies to the Senate around the same time, nothing more than a young man telling a pack of lies. Had anyone in a position of authority been stupid enough to believe a word out of his mouth, Kerry would have been charged with crimes.

So do you believe John Kerry is a war criminal? He said he was.
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Yes, we all know these things. And I know context doesn't matter to some, so I won't bother to educate you on the history of VN.

As for Kerry, as I politician, I'd never consider him or any politician, republican or democrat or libertarian, to be honest. But in the context of what he said he'd do when he signed to pass the buck to Bush, he did in fact do what he said he'd do.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, we all know these things. And I know context doesn't matter to some, so I won't bother to educate you on the history of VN.

As for Kerry, as I politician, I'd never consider him or any politician, republican or democrat or libertarian, to be honest. But in the context of what he said he'd do when he signed to pass the buck to Bush, he did in fact do what he said he'd do.
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It's very obvious you are incapable of educating me or anyone else on anything. People that swallow the liberal lines hook, line and sinker never can. All they can do is repeat the phony false lines they have themselves bought.
 
Global warming is a scientific theory, but is mostly about faith. Faith plays a bigger role in science than we care to admit. Allegedly well-meaning intellectuals of the 1930s believed in and defended Stalin's Russia in the face of massive and accessible evidence that "scientific" communism had given birth to a terroristic, totalitarian state. Today's believers in global warming, like the intellectuals in the 1930s, fiercely defend their wacky faith in the face of massive and contrary evidence. They are vested in a theory that is precious to them. Their scientific studies pick and choose from an evidence buffet.
When an ideology is precious, the believers become aggressively hostile toward infidels. The global warmers do not have dungeons or Siberian labor camps, though one wonders how far they would go if they could. James Hansen, a scientist and the most famous global warming preacher after Al Gore, want's to put executives of fossil fuel companies in jail for "crimes against humanity." Al Gore thinks that people who deny his faith are like people who think that the moon landing was staged in Hollywood. In other words, those who question the global warming faith are either criminals or crackpots. This is tolerance as practiced by those who have appointed themselves to save us from imaginary disaster.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, better known as the IPCC, has the same relationship to the believers in global warming as the Communist International or Comintern had to the believers in communism. The Comintern held world congresses and acted to enforce ideological conformity. The IPCC has grandiose meetings with delegates from many countries. The IPCC publishes propagandistic tomes on climate science. Like the central works forming the intellectual basis of Marxism, the IPCC's publications are dense, turgid and full of dubious science. Many of their claims have been exposed as phony in The Delinquent Teenager who was Mistaken for the World's Top Climate Expert by Donna LaFramboise. Fellow traveling organizations, like the United States Global Change Research Program (USGCRP) slavishly cite the IPCC as if nothing further is needed to prove a point. The USGCRP is our government's baby IPCC. It has a big budget and publishes outrageous propaganda. The behind the scenes boss of the USGRCP is John Holdren, Obama's science advisor and a longtime environmental extremist. The IPCC and the USGCRP are authoritarian organizations that promulgate a doctrine, not organizations conducting a scientific investigation. Science is window dressing.
It should not seem impossible, or even remarkable, that governmental organizations and highly educated scientists have become fanatical followers of a global warming ideology. Similar movements and ideologies have captured the fancy of intellectuals, scientists, and governments many times previously. In the first half of the 20th century, the eugenics movement in the United States was extremely popular and embraced by the people like the presidents of Harvard and Stanford and funded by foundations like the Rockefeller and Carnegie. The eugenics movement advocated forced sterilization and restriction on immigration by "inferior" races. These ideas were widely implemented by laws. Much of the eugenics ideology originated in the United States and the ideas were exported to Germany where the Nazis adopted them. Eugenics was not only disrespectful of human rights, but the scientific support was faulty and superficial. If we think that the elite won't fall for similar ideas today because the intellectual classes of today are more enlightened than those of 100 years ago, we are living in a fools' paradise.


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We've seen the mistake you make before. ;)
 
ItAin'tFree said:
It's very obvious you are incapable of educating me or anyone else on anything. People that swallow the liberal lines hook, line and sinker never can. All they can do is repeat the phony false lines they have themselves bought.
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Meaning, you can't deny what I said concerning Kerry. All you really want to do is rant against liberals. That's small mind thinking, but have at it.
 
j-mac said:
We've seen the mistake you make before. ;)
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I thought we weened you from the American Non thinker?

Seriously, that kind of stupidity shod never be linked by anyone. It's nonsense. Sorry.
 
Boo Radley said:
I thought we weened you from the American Non thinker?

Seriously, that kind of stupidity shod never be linked by anyone. It's nonsense. Sorry.
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It's an opinion....Didn't even read it did you? Be honest now.
 
j-mac said:
It's an opinion....Didn't even read it did you? Be honest now.
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It's an opinion from a site known to visit stupid town daily. Not worth reading, by anyone. It plays to an audience who wants to here us vs them silliness. There is no thinking involved in their work.
 
Boo Radley said:
I thought we weened you from the American Non thinker?

Seriously, that kind of stupidity shod never be linked by anyone. It's nonsense. Sorry.
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About the author just for you Joe....

Norman Rogers
Author, Founder of Rabbitt Semiconductor

Phone: 312/377-4000
Email: media@heartland.org
Norman Rogers is a senior policy advisor to The Heartland Institute, speaking and sometimes writing on the topic of global warming. He divides his time between residences in Chicago and Florida.

Rogers has held a variety of engineering and computer programming jobs with IBM, Hewlett Packard and other companies. In 1980 he started a high tech company in Santa Clara, California that gradually grew into a much larger company and was sold in 2005. Currently he is developing a new business, ScienceLights.com, that will manufacture easy-to-install home fluorescent lighting.

Rogers took up the study of global warming as a retirement project. His position, expressed in a 2009 essay titled "Global Warming Blues" available at AmericanThinker.com, is that computer climate models are vastly overrated and their predictions are so speculative as to be meaningless. He also believes that some moderate warning would produce benefits as well as harms, and that reducing emissions without the participation of China and India would be pointless.

Rogers received a bachelor of arts degree in physics at the University of California at Berkeley and a master of science degree in physics from the University of Hawaii, where he also completed coursework for a Ph.D. in physics. For two years he was director of operations at Zero Population Growth, a fairly radical environmental advocacy group led by Stanford Professor Paul Ehrlich. He is currently a member of the American Geophysical Union and the American Meteorological Society.

Norman Rogers | Heartland Institute
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Boo Radley said:
It's an opinion from a site known to visit stupid town daily. Not worth reading, by anyone. It plays to an audience who wants to here us vs them silliness. There is no thinking involved in their work.
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Wow, I am shocked that you are so intolerant of opinions that disagree with your own....:lol: Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face when saying that.....:lamo:
 
j-mac said:
About the author just for you Joe....
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Notice: heartland. You merely confirm what I said. Stupid is stupid no matter who says it btw.
 
j-mac said:
Wow, I am shocked that you are so intolerant of opinions that disagree with your own....:lol: Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face when saying that.....:lamo:
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Not opinions that disagree with. Just drivel. No thinking person that the American non thinker seriously.
 
Boo Radley said:
I've read it, the all of the kit hen sink approach doesn't add up to invasion. And you last sentence does not say: we declare war on Iraq. At the end if the day, the final decision was left up to Bush, and Bush alone. He and he alone ad the final word.
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I'm going to pretend I'm a stupid liberal for just a minute and apply the silly illogic you have used repeatedly in this thread. You say it was all on Bush because Congress did not declare war on Iraq. Well, show me the document where Bush declared war on Iraq. That's right, he didn't declare war on anybody. However the Democrats and Republicans in Congress are entirely responsible for the military operations conducted in Iraq because they directed military action against Iraq begin because Iraq did not meet the requirements for peace as laid out in the "Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq resolution of 2002."
 
ItAin'tFree said:
I'm going to pretend I'm a stupid liberal for just a minute and apply the silly illogic you have used repeatedly in this thread. You say it was all on Bush because Congress did not declare war on Iraq. Well, show me the document where Bush declared war on Iraq. That's right, he didn't declare war on anybody. However the Democrats and Republicans in Congress are entirely responsible for the military operations conducted in Iraq because they directed military action against Iraq begin because Iraq did not meet the requirements for peace as laid out in the "Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq resolution of 2002."
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No one declared war, which as I said is the problem. Instead, they said, "bush, you decide." And he did.
 
Boo Radley said:
Meaning, you can't deny what I said concerning Kerry. All you really want to do is rant against liberals. That's small mind thinking, but have at it.
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I can't deny that you said anything about Kerry.

What I have done is show you and every one that if what you say about Kerry is true in this regard, he lied as the "Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq resolution of 2002" listed a lot more reasons to go to war with Iraq than just UN resolutions. He voted for the entire package not just parts of it.
 
Boo Radley said:
Notice: heartland. You merely confirm what I said. Stupid is stupid no matter who says it btw.
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Mission: Its mission is to discover, develop, and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems.

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Oh yeah...Evil, I tell ya....:doh Give it up Joe while your behind....
 
Boo Radley said:
No one declared war, which as I said is the problem. Instead, they said, "bush, you decide." And he did.
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Not if you take the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 202" verbatim. they told him to.
 
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