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Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

haymarket said:
Yeah - one never knows when British King George will rise from the grave and tax tea again causing Yankee Doodle to have to pawn his tri-cornered hat. :roll:;):lamo
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My calendar says 2013. You might want to check yours.
 
Federalist said:
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Statists only know how to use violence to accomplish their ends. The comment you noted highlights this fact.
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Have you recently converted to anarchism Federalist?
 
haymarket said:
The hypocrisy of the libertarian is their constant carping, their non stop whining, their perpetual bitching, their litany of complaints, and their notebook filled with sobs all about the terrible system we live in which oppresses freedom and liberty and constrains them and their beliefs...... but they still stay, they still enjoy the fruits of a cooperative society that they appear to despise.... they still enjoy the benefits of a government they profess to oppose and some even loathe. They attack eminent domain but yet use our airports, our roads, our infrastructure which was produced using the constitutional power. They ;whine and cry about zoning laws but enjoy living in communities with zoning laws that improve and protect their quality of life. They attack public employees but reap the benefits of their education and labor and the services they provide.

I think that covers enough for the time being.
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Since I am compelled by law to pay for those things, it is not hypocrisy to utilize them. How is it possible that you cant grasp this? Tell you what, stop confiscating my wealth for things I do not approve of and I wont use them. Deal?
 
Federalist said:
My calendar says 2013. You might want to check yours.
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Terrific.... you have learned a lesson I taught you in the past. Well done young man. Really well done. :cool::2wave:
 
Fletch said:
Since I am compelled by law to pay for those things, it is not hypocrisy to utilize them.
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Actually - it is. Perhaps you are familiar with truths like judge a man by his actions and not his words?
 
haymarket said:
Actually - it is. Perhaps you are familiar with truths like judge a man by his actions and not his words?
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Actually - it isn't. If I am paying for something, it is not hypocritical for me to use it. I pay for medicare, I pay for SS, I pay for public schools, that I utilize those things is not hypocrisy. Stop forcing me to pay for those things and I wont use them. That is a simple enough formulation even for you to grasp. Yet you cant grasp it.
 
haymarket said:
If the peoples government decides accordingly and part of your taxes are used for it - the matter is closed.
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:) we get it, haymarket. All that you care about is getting other peoples' money. Fortunately, I don't think we are going to bail out Detroit, so the question is likely moot.
 
haymarket said:
yup - you believe in the necessity of the state.
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Hmm, I see. You don't like my use of term statist. How about thieving authoritarian control-freak scumbags?
 
haymarket said:
There are islands for sale. Other nations welcome immigrants. But that choice is yours and not mine to make.

The Pilgrims were not exactly answering a TV marketing campaign promising a land of milk and honey and sandy beaches with cold drinks with umbrellas in them now were they?
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Good point. But what the pilgrims (actually their later generations) did was not to simply move again and again but to start an armed revolt, overthrowing the bonds of that oppresive gov't, and formed a new system of gov't in the areas that they currently occupied. They then expanded that "occupied" territory (the 13 original states) considerably and as rapidly as possible. ;)
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Good point. But what the pilgrims (actually their later generations) did was not move again and agin but start an armed revolt, overthrowing the bonds of that oppresive gov't and started a new system in the areas that they currently occupied. They then expanded that "occupied" territory (the 13 original states) considerably and as rapidly as possible. ;)
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Worth also noting is that when the Pilgrims first arrived, they tried out a big-government communal system, that resulted in the colony almost starving completely out of existence. Then they switched to a smaller-government free-market system, and turned out much better :).
 
cpwill said:
:) we get it, haymarket. All that you care about is getting other peoples' money. Fortunately, I don't think we are going to bail out Detroit, so the question is likely moot.
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When you think of it, it doesn't take a lot of brains to be a socialist. All it requires is the desire to have something that doesn't belong to you and the absence of character to justify the use of force to get it on your behalf. ~ Lawrence Reed.
 
Fletch said:
Actually - it isn't. If I am paying for something, it is not hypocritical for me to use it. I pay for medicare, I pay for SS, I pay for public schools, that I utilize those things is not hypocrisy. Stop forcing me to pay for those things and I wont use them. That is a simple enough formulation even for you to grasp. Yet you cant grasp it.
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But you are then paying twice. Once as a taxpayer and the second time you pay by giving up your own values and the things that you pretend you believe in but which your actions show that you don't. And the second time you are exposing yourself as a hypocrite for doing so.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Good point. But what the pilgrims (actually their later generations) did was not to simply move again and again but to start an armed revolt, overthrowing the bonds of that oppresive gov't, and formed a new system of gov't in the areas that they currently occupied. They then expanded that "occupied" territory (the 13 original states) considerably and as rapidly as possible. ;)
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Yes - that is our history that people revolted against a foreign power which had imposed a colonial status upon them and was exploiting them.
 
cpwill said:
:) we get it, haymarket. All that you care about is getting other peoples' money. Fortunately, I don't think we are going to bail out Detroit, so the question is likely moot.
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Nothing is decided until it is decided. Having said that, I do not disagree with you that the government will not bail out Detroit. The control of the House by people who are right wing extremists and corporatists pretty much say you are correct in your prediction.
 
apdst said:
I'm not legally obligated to bail out Detroit.
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Greetings, apdst. :2wave:

Since Detroit's problems have been long in the making under years of Leftist governance, we can understand why a Leftist judge feels the way she does. Once again, party loyalty trumps reality! However, anybody who has ever had to balance a checkbook would have realized long ago that there were problems! Yet Detroit's elected officials ignored reality and just kept on spending money they didn't have. And now it's possible that every taxpayer in this country is going to be asked to pay for Detroit's apparently ongoing mistakes in governance? Why? No wonder an Emergency Manager was warranted, since those in charge obviously didn't care enough, or were unfit and lacking in skill and ability to turn things around before it got to this point! How did they ever get elected? :thumbdown:
 
haymarket said:
Yes - that is our history that people revolted against a foreign power which had imposed a colonial status upon them and was exploiting them.
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:lol: :doh What foriegn power? There was no USA until after the revolution, the colonists were legally subjects of the crown prior to that revolt. :roll:
 
Federalist said:
There are many such terms for those who wish to use the violence of government to accomplish their unjust ends.
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Don't I know it. The right wing is extremely creative when it comes to hijacking the English language. I would not be surprised if the prestigious Von Mises Institute had classes and seminars in the subject.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
:lol: :doh What foriegn power? There was no USA until after the revolution, the colonists were legally subjects of the crown prior to that revolt. :roll:
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Thank you for pointing out that factual reality. You are correct. I was using the term to describe Great Britain as a foreign power across the ocean that was different than the colonies here. But thank you for making the obvious point. You are correct.
 
haymarket said:
Don't I know it. The right wing is extremely creative when it comes to hijacking the English language. I would not be surprised if the prestigious Von Mises Institute had classes and seminars in the subject.
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Which part of "those who wish to use the violence of government to accomplish their unjust ends" is not English?
 
Federalist said:
Which part of "those who wish to use the violence of government to accomplish their unjust ends" is not English?
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It is the hijacking of the English language twisted and raped by extremists who attempt to use jargon and nonsense to further their political agenda.

But of course, you know this very very well Federalist. You know this very very well as we have been down this road many many many times before.
 
haymarket said:
It is the hijacking of the English language twisted and raped by extremists who attempt to use jargon and nonsense to further their political agenda.

But of course, you know this very very well Federalist. You know this very very well as we have been down this road many many many times before.
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So you admit that the phrase "those who wish to use the violence of government to accomplish their unjust ends" is simply standard non-jargon English? Thank you.
 
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