Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

sangha said:

In VT and NH, they also come in plaid

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I don't doubt that.

Henrin said:

Why wouldn't I? The guy isn't exactly worthy of protection.

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Well, you're totally wrong on that. You may like his policies or not; but he is the leader of our country. He represents all of us. He is the target for anyone who disagrees with ANY policy of our country.

I didn't like Bush Jr. I have NO PROBLEM paying for his security while he was in office and afterwards. It's a dangerous job. People who step up to take it absolutely deserve protection, and us, as citizens absolutely should pay for it.

I happen to think Pres. Obama is a great president. But even if he was the worst president ever, we need to pay for his protection. Even Nixon - I have no problem that we paid for his protection.

Even if you don't like the policy, respect the office.

sangha said:

"Sensitive areas" does not mean "govt buildings and GFZ's only"

While there does need to be limits on the definition, I think any reasonable definition would include the area around the White House.

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Then what to you is a "sensitive area"? Because frankly from what I can tell you're just painting a broad brush despite the judge having mentioned examples. Can you name any area that does not include gun free zones and government buildings that are "senstive areas"?

notquiteright said:

It is killing someone, yourself is a someone or have we slipped into right wing re-definitions again?

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Its called proper english and grammar. If I killed myself I would not be killing "someone" I would be killing "myself". If Joe Blow down the street kills themselves then they are doing just that...killing "themselves"...not "someone". You're the one applying the word wrong.

notquiteright said:

I wondered when someone would start the hammers kill more people than my pistol crap. This isn't about ALL murders, a very ill informed 'conservative' tried to fly more 'gun' deaths in Illinois than Texas crap, PLEASE try and stay on topic, PLENTY of threads to rant about screwdrivers and broken bottles.

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I'm just applying the same logic that you and sanga are applying. Don't blame me if you find that you can't face facts.

As for staying on topic...well...considering the topic of the thread is about a man that had a gun in the open and not suicides then why are you talking about suicides?

notquiteright said:

And we have gone down the car road before- far more cars in constant USE than firearms. A rifle in the closet isn't the same as speeding down the highway in 1.5 tons of metal at 65 mph for 3 hours a day, every day. Well not until a boy pulls the rifle out to play with and shoots his sister.

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Exactly...yet I don't see you hollering for more restrictions on the use of cars near as much (if any) compared to guns.

paddymcdougall said:

Well, you're totally wrong on that. You may like his policies or not; but he is the leader of our country. He represents all of us. He is the target for anyone who disagrees with ANY policy of our country.

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Wrong. He does not represent all of us. He represents those he wants to. No one else.

Kal'Stang said:

Its called proper english and grammar. If I killed myself I would not be killing "someone" I would be killing "myself". If Joe Blow down the street kills themselves then they are doing just that...killing "themselves"...not "someone". You're the one applying the word wrong. 'm just applying the same logic that you and sanga are applying. Don't blame me if you find that you can't face facts. As for staying on topic...well...considering the topic of the thread is about a man that had a gun in the open and not suicides then why are you talking about suicides? Exactly...yet I don't see you hollering for more restrictions on the use of cars near as much (if any) compared to guns.

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Actually what you are doing to trying to deflect from what Erod said. I did chuckle that you are trying to say by killing yourself you are not killing someone... you really are deep into spin.

But the whole ball started downhill not because hammers are dangerous but because yet another 'gun' defender- EROD went waaaaaaaaay overboard. He said "gun' violence' and claimed Illinois had far more than Texas- which is false. Then a flying column of spinners came in trying desperately to change the subject.

Fact- more people die from 'gun' violence in Texas than in Illinois.

Now cars are highly restricted, from the design- see anymore cars with their engines in the back like the old Corvair or VW Bug? No sir you don't- deemed unsafe that design is no longer permitted.

Speed limits and not just out on the highway but every public access road has them and the limits come in a myriad of levels.

Seatbelts- try and buy a car without one.

Airbags, and crash tests done by the Gubmint for safety ratings.

Smog emissions- many states have inspections to regulate the pollution a car can produce

Safety inspections before the vehicle can legally be driven, most states require a special sticker on the windshield.

EPA MPG ratings- though a mythical number and some gas guzzlers don't get rated when was the last time you saw a new car without one?

Insurance- can you legally drive without it?

You have to have a license to operate a vehicle, and there isn't just one type either.

And as new problems arise so too do restrictions- many states are banning texting and driving- some even just using a cell phone at all.

So vehicles are highly regulated, far more so than firearms- do you want to see firearms regulated to the same level? Then admit vehicles are far more regulated and drop that flawed dodge. Not only that, new laws increasing that regulation while you operate one are routine. That YOU are not calling for more car regulations isn't the point- and that is yet another pro-'gun' dodge- show me where I called for more 'gun' regulations- please do that. (you just have to try and wiggle the discussion off topic and onto your favorite dead horse. :roll: )

Bottom line Erod just made crap up and got called on it, the Rescue Rangers had to come rushing in to try and twist the discussion around... :doh

Kal'Stang said:

Then what to you is a "sensitive area"? Because frankly from what I can tell you're just painting a broad brush despite the judge having mentioned examples. Can you name any area that does not include gun free zones and government buildings that are "senstive areas"?

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As you said, the judge mentioned a couple of examples. Nothing in the quotes indicates that they were the only examples of sensitive areas.

As far me naming an area besides govt buildings and GFZ's, I already did - outside the White House. I would also consider any area where the president is a "sensitive area"

paddymcdougall said:

Well, you're totally wrong on that. You may like his policies or not; but he is the leader of our country. He represents all of us. He is the target for anyone who disagrees with ANY policy of our country.

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A man having no problem at all spying on and killing American citizens is no friend of mine and he does not represent me. That isn't even scratching the surface on why Obama deserves nothing but a jail cell, but rest assured I see no reason he deserves his protection paid for by the people. When he gets around to respecting the peoples life, liberty, and property I will start to consider it, but until then there isn't much to consider. He deserves to be arrested for treason.

He said that he had planned to fire a couple of rounds. He is being charged with:

Authorities charged Briggs with a carrying a pistol outside of a home or business, a felony charge.

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I hope that is a DC law only. It sounds too heavy handed for my town, but the President doesn't live here.

Erod said:

Do you think if he was from Chicago, it would begin "An Illinois man......". Of course not. Typical media bias.

And by the way, a LOT more people die in Illinois from gun violence than Texas. And they have laws against guns.

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Yeah... that's not even remotely true. Texas is #2 in total gun murders and is pretty far ahead of Illinois in gun murders per 100,000 people as well.

Erod said:

Five more kids in Chicago died while you typed that. They're dropping like flies.

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so you are sticking with pulling numbers out of your ass instead of getting facts I see. Oh wells.

Erod said:

You have to subtract those that are self defense. That doesn't qualify. Look at violent crime.

Oh, and Texas has a border where the drug cartels are thicker than flies. That wildly skews the numbers.

Just look at the gun violence in Chicago alone. It's embarassing. It's like Cairo East.

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Congratulations. You've managed to backtrack, move the goal posts and non sequitur yourself once again. I guess being caught making up stuff regularly sucks.

What is significant is that gun ownership is 250% higher in Texas than Illinois, but almost no different in "gun murders."

So the next stat someone should compare is the rate of violent felony crimes between the 2 states.

poweRob said:

Yeah... that's not even remotely true. Texas is #2 in total gun murders and is pretty far ahead of Illinois in gun murders per 100,000 people as well.

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No point to you even pretending to have any intellectual integrity in your messages, huh?

In terms of "gun murder" rates per 100,000, Texas is not #2 whatsoever. Not in the top 10. The highest rate is DC and the greatest number is in California due to population.

Henrin said:

A man having no problem at all spying on and killing American citizens is no friend of mine and he does not represent me. That isn't even scratching the surface on why Obama deserves nothing but a jail cell, but rest assured I see no reason he deserves his protection paid for by the people. When he gets around to respecting the peoples life, liberty, and property I will start to consider it, but until then there isn't much to consider. He deserves to be arrested for treason.

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Given the fact that Americans are notorious for trying to assassinate their own presidents I think any president of the US should be protected, no matter who or what their policies are.

joko104 said:

No point to you even pretending to have any intellectual integrity in your messages, huh?

In terms of "gun murder" rates per 100,000, Texas is not #2 whatsoever. Not in the top 10. The highest rate is DC and the greatest number is in California due to population.

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Actually, if you read Erod's message - he says "a LOT more people die in Illinois from gun violence than Texas". That's not true. Texas is second to California in gun murders. It's #16 in gun murders, then again Illinois is #29. Texas beats Illinois in EVERY measurement related to gun violence except for one. That one being restrictions on gun violence. Whereas Texas scores a 5 (for least restrictive), Illinois scores a 26 (for most restrictive).

So in conclusion:

Erod doesn't know anything about Illinois crime or for that matter crime in his state.
Erod thinks his state is safer than Illinois, against all evidence to the contrary.
Erod hasn't seen a crime statistic in the last 10 year.
Erod doesn't know that despite Texas being one of the most gun happy states in the union, it has managed to get higher murder/gun murder rates than a pretty gun restrictive state like Illinois.

Nothing new really.

Hatuey said:

Actually, if you read Erod's message - he says "a LOT more people die in Illinois from gun violence than Texas". That's not true. Texas is second to California in gun murders. It's #16 in gun murders, then again Illinois is #29. Texas beats Illinois in EVERY measurement related to gun violence except for one. That one being restrictions on gun violence. Whereas Texas scores a 5 (for least restrictive), Illinois scores a 26 (for most restrictive).

So in conclusion:

Erod doesn't know anything about Illinois crime or for that matter crime in his state.
Erod thinks his state is safer than Illinois, against all evidence to the contrary.
Erod hasn't seen a crime statistic in the last 10 year.
Erod doesn't know that despite Texas being one of the most gun happy states in the union, it has managed to get higher murder/gun murder rates than a pretty gun restrictive state like Illinois.

Nothing new really.

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None of this matters to conservatives. All that matters is that they strut around talking high and mighty about themselves, their beliefs, their perceived superiority to everyone else. They will take their selfish, delusional nonsense to the grave, never realizing how their ignorance made life unnecessarily more difficult for everyone else.

Verax said:

None of this matters to conservatives. All that matters is that they strut around talking high and mighty about themselves, their beliefs, their perceived superiority to everyone else. They will take their selfish, delusional nonsense to the grave, never realizing how their ignorance made life unnecessarily more difficult for everyone else.

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Nah dude, it's not even like that. There are some pretty reasonable people on the pro-gun conservative side. Then you have your idiots who make up crazy theories like "more guns, less crime". If that were true Sub-Saharan Africa, the Muslim Middle East and Brazilian favelas would be great places to go vacation and yet, they're some of the most violent places on Earth. Mexico is full of guns and crime there is terrible. Where are the places with least crime? First countries that come to mind are Canada, Japan, Norway, Switzerland, etc with their supposedly draconian anti-gun cultures.

It's really mind boggling. Around the world you have these places where guns are a dime a dozen and they're full of crime. Then you have other places where guns are highly restricted and there is little crime. How can you begin to seriously attribute the number of guns to the level of crime? Well, if anything guns show us two things. The more there are, the more people will use them to kill each other.

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Nah dude, it's not even like that. There are some pretty reasonable people on the pro-gun conservative side. Then you have your idiots who make up crazy theories like "more guns, less crime". If that were true Sub-Saharan Africa, the Muslim Middle East and Brazilian favelas would be great places to go vacation and yet, they're some of the most violent places on Earth. Mexico is full of guns and crime there is terrible. Where are the places with least crime? First countries that come to mind are Canada, Japan, Norway, Switzerland, etc with their supposedly draconian anti-gun cultures.

It's really mind boggling. Around the world you have these places where guns are a dime a dozen and they're full of crime. Then you have other places where guns are highly restricted and there is little crime. How can you begin to seriously attribute the number of guns to the level of crime? Well, if anything guns show us two things. The more there are, the more people will use them to kill each other.

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After reading many threads from the Gun section, Zimmerman, etc. I have a hard time believing there are many reasonable conservatives out there, at least not on this forum. I see hate, racism, ignorance, they say the most terrible things as though it is perfectly normal. Perhaps there are reasonable ones but they are so overshadowed as to not be noticed.

Yeah I know you would think it would set off a few bells but, they don't want to believe getting rid of guns is a good thing because they like their guns. They're also very fearful people, so they cling to them for reassurance.

At this point it is virtually impossible to extract any reasonable line of argument from either side here. That's... That's impressive.

joko104 said:

No point to you even pretending to have any intellectual integrity in your messages, huh?

In terms of "gun murder" rates per 100,000, Texas is not #2 whatsoever. Not in the top 10. The highest rate is DC and the greatest number is in California due to population.

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hrmm... this is what I responded to:

Erod said:

a LOT more people die in Illinois from gun violence than Texas

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That said nothing about per 100,000... and that is what I quoted. So yes, I still maintained intellectual integrity in my post being that I responded to exactly what was stated. What is lacking however is any intellectual reading comprehension in your messages, huh?

To address the original story, this guy is either terminally stupid or...

Gawddammit it's a liberal con-spiracy! Ah tell you that nobody nohow would do this un-less the Gobernment told them to! They're ony doin' this to take away our Second Amendment rahts as Amuricans!

Probably one of those.

Morrigi said:

To address the original story, this guy is either terminally stupid or...

Gawddammit it's a liberal con-spiracy! Ah tell you that nobody nohow would do this un-less the Gobernment told them to! They're ony doin' this to take away our Second Amendment rahts as Amuricans!

Probably one of those.

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If they arrested everyone who carried a gun near the White House the jails would be overflowing. It is DC you know!

Heebie Jeebie said:

If they arrested everyone who carried a gun near the White House the jails would be overflowing. It is DC you know!

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...and if they arrested everyone who carried a gun, 200 rounds of ammunition, said he wanted to fire "a couple shots", and was arrested by the Secret Service you would have.... this guy.

Morrigi said:

...and if they arrested everyone who carried a gun, 200 rounds of ammunition, said he wanted to fire "a couple shots", and was arrested by the Secret Service you would have.... this guy.

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And miss the other 99.9999999999% of people carrying guns. Great job!