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Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

MaggieD said:
Our whole world is being turned upside down...and not only with the Zimmerman case...but that's what we're discussing here.

First, the state of Florida threw the full weight and power of the government against a private citizen and persecuted him for political gain in response to mob rule. Then our Federal government indicates they intend to throw their full weight and power at a private citizen in a Civil Rights case.
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The case against Zimmerman was weak and obviously the decision to even bring it to trial was purely political. I think in a private moment even the staunchest Trayvon Martin supporters would acknowledge that Zimmerman had no business being charged with 2nd degree murder.

What is interesting about the civil rights noise being made right now is that after the OJ verdict there was not one single peep out of the fed about the possibility of bringing a civil rights case against him. Despite overwhelming evidence against him and a successful civil suit... not a peep. Why now and not then?

Remember Rodney King? The jury foreman didn't even get "not guilty" out of his mouth before the feds were lining up the civil rights case. If the feds do choose to go this route it would be very interesting to compare and contrast their logic behind pursuing or not pursuing civil rights violations in these three very high profile cases.

I think it's all just noise, anyway. I have a hard time believing they'd risk pissing off Hispanics at this point in time.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Sure and Holder believes that Stand Your Ground facilitates false claims of self-defense. He wants to prevent people from shooting innocent people and then falsely claiming self-defense. He doesn't want to wait until after people are already dead.
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If that were true he would have acted in curbing the kind of gun violence that is happening in Chicago instead of reacting to one shooting as though it is a novel concept. On the face of it it appears that he is concerned with gun violence overall, but his past inactivity suggests that this is simply the photo op of the day. The man is a hazard to the country and needs to be thrown out of office in deference to someone who will execute the duties of the position, and interfering with state laws is not one of them.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
From the LA Times:



It has begun.

What do you think?
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Holder is just anti-2nd amendment and anti-self defense scumbag not letting a tragedy go to waste.
 
I posted this on another thread but hewre it goes again.

He made these comments to 2 black groups.

It seems his thinking is that blacks are more likely to be the aggressors so in order to save more black lives, people should run instead of trying to defend themselves.

Is it racist for him to asume the aggressor would be black? Maybe

Does anybody think Holder would be making comments on this if Martin was anything other tan black?
 
tech30528 said:
If that were true he would have acted in curbing the kind of gun violence that is happening in Chicago instead of reacting to one shooting as though it is a novel concept. On the face of it it appears that he is concerned with gun violence overall, but his past inactivity suggests that this is simply the photo op of the day. The man is a hazard to the country and needs to be thrown out of office in deference to someone who will execute the duties of the position, and interfering with state laws is not one of them.
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Holder has no reason to comment on the Chicago violence because there is nothing he can do about it.

His buddy Emmanuel can do nothing about it either.
 
Mason66 said:
Holder has no reason to comment on the Chicago violence because there is
nothing he can do about it.

His buddy Emmanuel can do nothing about it either.
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The COULD do Something about but, it would ruffle too many feathers.

The violence in Chicago will continue as those who "represent " the black community ignore it and continue to construct their huge false narrative.

Addressing black on black crime doesn't pay apparently.
 
God made men. Samuel Colt made them equal. Politicians made them stupid.
 
Surtr said:
It's not about control, it's about not bitching when a verdict doesn't go their way, because it doesn't affect anyone but the parties involved.
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Well, given that Holder is the Attorney General, his "bitching" might affect a lot more than that, LOL.
 
Is this boob (and his masters) setting the stage for yet another federal power grab? National control over state law.
 
Fenton said:
The COULD do Something about but, it would ruffle too many feathers.

The violence in Chicago will continue as those who "represent " the black community ignore it and continue to construct their huge false narrative.

Addressing black on black crime doesn't pay apparently.
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But what can they do? I don't consider talking about it as doing anything.
 
The truth is that the Zimmerman case has no abnormal qualities to it whatsoever and had no reason to get this much media attention. I'm just gonna put this YouTube video here.

 
Surtr said:
Having an idiot for an Attorney General that lets thousands of firearms illegally walk into the hands of murderous drug cartels is no laughing matter.
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But watching people dismiss someone that can't be so easily dismissed is a laughing matter.
 
Surtr said:
Holder isn't a legislator, so he can be dismissed all day when it comes to matters of individual state laws.
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Not really. The federal government has a habit of getting involved in "state" matters. Moreover, as a significant member of the Obama admin, his influence carries more weight than most.
 
Obama and his crew see racial division and jump in with two feet to make the problem worse(remember the columbia professor?). They just couldn't leave the community organizing back in Chicago like I had hoped. Nothing to do but count the days till we see the backs of all these crumbs.
 
Dion said:
Martin is dead because he walked home in the rain in a hoodie and an armed man in a locked car with the police on their way continued pursuit while whining "they always get away".

There is no account of the last few moments and yet ... the juror states clearly "When George confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home " ...?

I heard the tapes and Trayvon was walking and George even describes the pursuit. Eventually when George was close enough Trayvon turned and stood his ground.
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Trayvon attacked an armed man. He brought skittles to a gunfight, and paid with his life for his own poor decision.:peace
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Not really. The federal government has a habit of getting involved in "state" matters. Moreover, as a significant member of the Obama admin, his influence carries more weight than most.
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The US Attorney General is nothing more than a glorified lawyer. He represents the US government in the Supreme Court and abroad, and supervises federal law enforcement. Federal law enforcement can't tell the individual states with these SYG laws to abolish them, anymore than they can enforce or prohibit abortion laws, or marriage laws.
 
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