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Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

ahh, then what he really wants is better investigating by LEO...
No, because investigations happen AFTER shootings occur. He wants to prevent the shootings in the first place. Thus, he believes that the laws that cause the increase in indefensible shootings ought to be nixed.
 
No, because investigations happen AFTER shootings occur. He wants to prevent the shootings in the first place. Thus, he believes that the laws that cause the increase in indefensible shootings ought to be nixed.

What does SYG have to do with this case?
 
I don't move onto other topics until I resolve the original debate. You can answer my question and resolve our original debate. After that, we can move onto your civil rights question.

As an American I have the right to defend myself, my family, and my property. That right is granted me by God, not politicians....Period.
 
This is a State matter and none of Holder's business.
 
No, because investigations happen AFTER shootings occur. He wants to prevent the shootings in the first place. Thus, he believes that the laws that cause the increase in indefensible shootings ought to be nixed.

Good luck with that one....I'd like to see him try to get it changed.
 
I'll believe Holder in being sincere in his position when he calls on law enforcement to have a duty to retreat from violent criminals...

I believe he believes that he is sincere too. That is the sad part.
 
Well, that is what the AG was trying to address...
I was confused because instead of quoting the OP, you quoted a post where Zimmerman wasn't being mentioned at all.

In any case, while Zimmerman didn't specifically invoke SYG, language from the law was included in the jury instructions and Juror B37, who spoke to the media yesterday, said that they considered it in deliberations. Beyond that, many people who feel that Zimmerman's actions were inappropriate believe that SYG laws facilitate actions like his moreso than regular self-defense laws.
 
From the LA Times:



It has begun.

What do you think?

I don't give a crap what a guy that should not be in his position, but rather in prison, has to say. He has always been anti-gun for civilians, and always will work to those ends.
 
As an American I have the right to defend myself, my family, and my property. That right is granted me by God, not politicians....Period.
Congratulations. This, again, is off topic and, in turn, random.
 
I don't give a crap what a guy that should not be in his position, but rather in prison, has to say. He has always been anti-gun for civilians, and always will work to those ends.
Okay, well he's not in prison now. And given that he is the Attorney General, you should probably care about what he has to say since his actions might affect you. But, if you don't care, then that's better for him because that's one less person he has to deal with in his quest to reexamine SYG.
 
Look at Holder's audience. That says a lot. NAACP - diving for political points.
 
I was confused because instead of quoting the OP, you quoted a post where Zimmerman wasn't being mentioned at all.

In any case, while Zimmerman didn't specifically invoke SYG, language from the law was included in the jury instructions and Juror B37, who spoke to the media yesterday, said that they considered it in deliberations. Beyond that, many people who feel that Zimmerman's actions were inappropriate believe that SYG laws facilitate actions like his moreso than regular self-defense laws.

Actually SYG laws require instructions as to aggression by either party which, since that was not addressed, is the reason for some other threads here. What inappropriate actions were taken other than those performed by the aggressor?
 
I was confused because instead of quoting the OP, you quoted a post where Zimmerman wasn't being mentioned at all.

In any case, while Zimmerman didn't specifically invoke SYG, language from the law was included in the jury instructions and Juror B37, who spoke to the media yesterday, said that they considered it in deliberations. Beyond that, many people who feel that Zimmerman's actions were inappropriate believe that SYG laws facilitate actions like his moreso than regular self-defense laws.

I have not seen where B37 cited SYG. Please provide a citation or link.
 
Well, he made it his business. Oh well.

No,not "Oh well". It's time we started pointing these things out to those who would assume authority they do not have. I'll be sure to bring it up with our representative when I see in about two weeks.
 
Actually SYG laws require instructions as to aggression by either party which, since that was not addressed, is the reason for some other threads here.
Did I say otherwise? I'm not sure why you think this comment is relevant as a response to my post.

What inappropriate actions were taken other than those performed by the aggressor?
If you are trying to argue about the Zimmerman trial, this is not the thread to do that. There is an entire forum dedicated to that. I put this in "Breaking News" for a reason.
 
From the LA Times:



It has begun.

What do you think?

I do agree with the sentiment on a law that allows me to provoke an altercation and even to throw the first punch, and then to shoot someone because I fear for my life after the victim defends themself. Even if you do not agree zimmerman did that, it is still something that can happen under the law which IMO is way too open.

I really do not take this as amounting to much more than a political point being made to a bunch of people who were outraged. We know they are not going to get much done at all if they couldn't even get background checks on all gun purchases to keep felons and crazies from buying guns. It is up to the state legislatures and that means florida voters. I am not terribly outraged by something any politician is going to do when speaking before a group with political ideals. I will save any outrage or approval for when some action is taken and not a bunch of hot air.
 
I think if the racial makeup of TM and GZ were reversed, Mr. Holder would be praising the Stand Your Ground concept.
If the racial makeup were reversed, George Zimmerman would have been convicted and Holder would still be making the same argument.
 
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