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Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions[W:240]

Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

joko104 said:
The ProLifers writing these laws don't care about that and they don't care about you. If you died, that is one less pro-choice voter. So why should they care anyway?
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Yep the pro lifers keep writing restrictive abortion laws that the courts have strike down costing tax payers a lot of money.
 
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iguanaman said:
But does everyone know that making abortions illegal does nothing to reduce them? Not you I guess. No matter how many times I tell you the data you refuse to understand it.
Restricting women's access to safe legal abortions and birth control is how you get MORE abortions and 45,000 dead women a year besides.
Some call that pro-life?
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I understand that making abortion illegal does not stop abortion. Everyone knows that.

The point is: the title of your article is clearly misleading. There is no causation in the correlation presented in the title - the article clearly states such.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Pssssssssssst, Tigger....sex is a multifaceted thing. Intercourse is only one method. Now...I may be getting up there...and even senile, but not so much that I don't know that there's more than one way to skin a cat.
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RM, she and I are well aware of that. Neither of us are really interested in those activities. If we were willing to accept the risk of a potential pregnancy, then maybe we'd do something, but we are not.

joko104 said:
But "remaining celebate" violates the Bible's "go forth and populate the world." Your remaining celebate prevents God's plan and absolutely prevents NEW HUMAN LIFE per the laws of God and nature. So you'd have no problem if Texas passed a law outlawing contraceptives and declaring a marriage in which the couples do not have sex or time sex to avoid pregnancy is declared nullified and the couple no longer has married status - right? Texas certainly should be able to outlaw behavior it deems immoral and certainly immoral behavior that prevents new human life.
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I'm not a Christian, joko. The Bible is not the moral guidepost that I use to run my life.

I would have a serious issue with Texas (or any state) suggesting that the only purpose of sex is procreation, and that couples MUST have children. I've never said anything about denying people contraceptives. HOWEVER, I do believe that people need to accept that they are not GUARANTEED to stop pregnancy from occuring and that if they fail the couple is responsible for the life it has created.
 
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ecofarm said:
I understand that making abortion illegal does not stop abortion. Everyone knows that.

The point is: the title of your article is clearly misleading. There is no causation in the correlation presented in the title - the article clearly states such.
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So everyone knows the anti-abortion movement is not to stop abortions? Then what is it about? I want to know.
 
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iguanaman said:
So everyone knows the anti-abortion movement is not to stop abortions? Then what is it about? I want to know.
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Well I assume the anti-gun people would like to make all guns illegal, but you never hear the gun lobby say something like that because they know it's impossible, so they seek as many restrictions on guns as possible. I imagine the anti-abortion people go along with that line of thinking. They want restrictions because they know it's impossible to make it totally illegal, and they are going about the legal process to achieve those goals like any other lobby. What is your problem with that? also, if you don't think 20 weeks is the time to make it illegal to abort a child, at what point do you think it should become illegal? I want to know
 
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Removable Mind said:
When we know that
there is no "statistically significant" problem....and there's a lot of evidence to show that what most often claim is some horrible everyday ongoing events of abortion that are nothing but acts that reflect total irresponsibility...isn't true.

Bush himself pushed for and got the Partial Birth Act passed in 2004.

Let's toss out the emotionalism...and talk about true facts regarding abortion

Pro-birth advocates simply don't want any abortion to occur. Yes, some make exceptions. But most don't and will go to any length to end abortion.
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You mean the 2003 Partial Birth Abortion BAN act ?

Is that what you meant to say ?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I have no problem with the morning after pill or condoms. However, I don't see what that has to do with the government. Why should they get free things and the rest of us have to pay for it?.
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Well as far as the morning after control pill is concerned a number of people here have argued for age restrictions on the morning after pill (something that would actually increase late term abortions) regardless of who is paying for it. But if condoms in schools help prevent lower number of children whose parents won't be able to care for them independently is going to save money in the long run. You may well argue that the sate shouldn't be supporting these people but surely the children of irresponsible parents are just as innocent as the unborn? Regardless even if you don't like the government spending money then surely avoiding the dismemberment of what is for all intents and purposes a sentient human being should be one exception.
 
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iguanaman said:
So everyone knows the anti-abortion movement is not to stop abortions? Then what is it about? I want to know.
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Does murder law stop murders? It's ethics, sociologicalismary stuffs. :)

Although murder might not be the best example, since the death penalty promotes it.
 
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Fenton said:
You mean the 2003 Partial Birth Abortion BAN act ?

Is that what you meant to say ?
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OH DEAR GOD! OH...MY DEAR GOD! YES...YES...YES...The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003...you've caught me in a very minor mistake. Please forgive me. I beg of you.

My...I said 2004...I need to be executed.

And you bringing this to our attention is because? So you think that most all didn't know what I was bringing to the discussion? Or that it was so flawed that it couldn't provide the context in which I used it.

YOU ARE A GENIUS!
 
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joko104 said:
With that message you don't even pretend at integrity anymore nor is the issue at what point should abortion be legal. That is just you and others absolutely determined to derail 100% of all topics of any kind to the "baby killing" debate.

No, none have closed. OH HOW CLEVER YOU ARE. The governor has not yet signed the bill so it isn't law yet. So none have closed yet. OH, gosh, you thought you'd just slide that little detail past.
The question isn't about "every hospital in the country," is it?

Oh, yeah, you forgot this reality everyone knows too. ProLifers are absolute that NO TAX money goes to abortion. And that means??? ANY HOSPITAL THAT WOULD DO AN ABORTION LOSES ALL PUBLIC FUNDS. So no, hospitals will not do abortions.

Then you propose that - between boob jobs - plastic surgeons are who should do abortions. Forced to by the government? Do plastic surgeons know anything about abortions? Your claim that with this new law, plastic surgeons are going to hire a security force, put bars on their windows, relocate their homes to secret locations, and risk assassination, arson, bombing and armies of protestors because...??

:lamo

That has to be possibly the most absurd proposal on the abortion topic this month: Your proposal of "Then plastic surgeons will do abortions."

There is absolute ZERO reality OR integrity in that rebuttal.

BUT IT IS YOUR CLAIM:

LIST ALL PLASTIC SURGEONS IN TEXAS WHO HAVE STATED THAT WITH THIS NEW LAW THEY WILL START DOING ABORTIONS - - - and your answer tells your level of integrity in your messages.

In terms of proposals, despite your messages, your messages are the most bizarre radical ProLife messages currently on the forum in content.
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1) I stated that they haven't closed yet, because I don't think they will close at all, as I explained. You are making claims that they will all 100% close, no doubt. Just because they are out of regs now does not mean they can not buy what they need to meet the standards. I also pointed out that all plastic surgeons and hospitals have to meet more strenuous requirements, and still manage to do it.

2) My belief that 12 weeks is a reasonable elective cutoff is the most radical pro-life views on the forum? How many people have you talked to on this forum? You've never met anyone who wants to outlaw all abortion?

Oh, and acting like a child doesn't help your point.
 
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Abortions are between women/couples and their doctor.
Abortions do not affect other born people.
A pre born fetus is unknown by others and is not recognized as person under US constitutional law.
 
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ecofarm said:
Does murder law stop murders? It's ethics, sociologicalismary stuffs. :)

Although murder might not be the best example, since the death penalty promotes it.
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I'm afraid there is no "ethics" in promoting illegal abortions which is the result of making abortion illegal. It is nothing but a sham to disguise it's religious roots. There is no shortage of people on this board that believe that "biblical' punishment of women is just.
 
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minnie616 said:
Every child deserves A CHANCE to be wanted and loved.
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Fixed your sig for you.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
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2) My belief that 12 weeks is a reasonable elective cutoff is the most radical pro-life views on the forum? How many people have you talked to on this forum? You've never met anyone who wants to outlaw all abortion?
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I may be mistaken but I think he was to referring to the fact that your 12 week abortion limit plus the fact you would allow abortions for severely malformed fetuses is more lienient than most pro life people on this forum.
 
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minnie616 said:
I may be mistaken but I think he was to referring to the fact that your 12 week limit is o more lienient than most pro life people on this forum.
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Why don't you poll, Minnie?
 
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Removable Mind said:
Thank you...I'm glad that somebody recognizes how it works...
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Well, normally I'm not a supporter of abortion but since you have actually been allowed to speak on your own behalf I chose to make an exception, your Mom's OK was just a formality.
 
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jmotivator said:
Well, normally I'm not a supporter of abortion but since you have actually been allowed to speak on your own behalf I chose to make an exception, your Mom's OK was just a formality.
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Oh stop, your showing off...
 
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JoeTrumps said:
Well I assume the anti-gun people would like to make all guns illegal, but you never hear the gun lobby say something like that because they know it's impossible, so they seek as many restrictions on guns as possible. I imagine the anti-abortion people go along with that line of thinking. They want restrictions because they know it's impossible to make it totally illegal, and they are going about the legal process to achieve those goals like any other lobby. What is your problem with that? also, if you don't think 20 weeks is the time to make it illegal to abort a child, at what point do you think it should become illegal? I want to know
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Abortions that are performed for medical reasons should be a matter between a woman and her doctor. The cut off for elective abortion was set by the Supreme Court.
The problem is that subjecting women to unsafe illegal abortions is sick and could only have been devised by sick twisted minds. If they truly cared about life they would be doing things that reduce abortions not drive women to find unsafe alternatives. Apparently punishment is more important than life to them.
 
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nota bene said:
Why don't you poll, Minnie?
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I hardly ever vote in a poll.
But I might add a post to a poll.
So if you would like to start a poll please be my guest.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
Well I assume the anti-gun people would like to make all guns illegal, but you never hear the gun lobby say something like that because they know it's impossible, so they seek as many restrictions on guns as possible. I imagine the anti-abortion people go along with that line of thinking. ...
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I really think you are wrong about the gun analogy.

Hunting and or having a handguns to protect yourself and your family are basics rights.

Most people don't care if someone hunts with a gun or shoots a robber while protecting themselves or family.
But shooting a school full of children or a movie theater full of people with a semi is different.

My husband's cousin was robbed and kidnapped ( because he recognized the perps before they had the chance to disguise themselves) and he was shot several times with a semi.

They found his cousin's concealed gun which he had a permit for in his waistband in the small of his back.
His cousin never got the chance to use his gun but I am sure he would have used it ( and justly so ) if he had the opportunity to use it.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

ecofarm said:
I understand that making abortion illegal does not stop abortion. Everyone knows that.

The point is: the title of your article is clearly misleading. There is no causation in the correlation presented in the title - the article clearly states such.
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The legislation is designed to shut down any and all locations in Texas that do abortions. It also outlaws doctors from doing so. That is as restrictive as it gets.
 
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minnie616 said:
I really think you are wrong about the gun analogy.

Hunting and or having a handguns to protect yourself and your family are basics rights.

Most people don't care if someone hunts with a gun or shoots a robber while protecting themselves or family.
But shooting a school full of children or a movie theater full of people with a semi is different.

My husband's cousin was robbed and kidnapped ( because he recognized the perps before they had the chance to disguise themselves) and he was shot several times with a semi.

They found his cousin's concealed gun which he had a permit for in his waistband in the small of his back.
His cousin never got the chance to use his gun but I am sure he would have used it ( and justly so ) if he had the opportunity to use it.
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I think he has a valid point in that he's saying that anti-gun people won't just outlaw guns, but rather do so indirectly with restrictions. That is exactly what Texas Republicans are doing. They aren't directly outlawing abortions. They are outlawing any facilities that do so by making regulations that shut them down.
 
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jmotivator said:
Fixed your sig for you.
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jmotivator; said:
Every female starting at puberty as early as age 6 deserves a chance of being forced by a government controlled by men of my religion to be pregnant and give birth to children she does not want as due punishment for being female.
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To be fair, I "fixed" yours.
 
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