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Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions[W:240]

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That is really what is it all about. Forcing women to resort to dangerous illegal abortions like in other countries where it is illegal. The pro-illegal abortionists strike again.



Abortion Rates Are Higher In Countries Where Procedure Is Illegal, Study Finds

From your source:

Experts couldn't say whether more liberal laws led to fewer procedures, but said good access to birth control in those countries resulted in fewer unwanted pregnancies.

What a misleading title.
 
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Well, PG...as a
native Texan, I have no intention of leaving, if for no other reason to annoy the hell out of the moral fascists in Texas.

The people who want to limit, not stop a woman from killing her unborn child are the " moral fascist " ?

How on Earth could a Native Texan be so twisted on such a important issue ?

How could a Native Texan be so susceptable to the obvious false Narratives of the Democrat party ?
 
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Unfortunately limiting the number of clinics to 4 will have a disasterous effect on abortions in Texas putting back room abortions all over the state.



Soooo... let me get this straight... greater regulation of an industry has a negative impact of the proliferation of that industry?

Whoa, as a conservative that thought just never occurred to me before! :roll:


Abortion clinics and voting booths are the only places under the Sun that Democrats refuse to regulate...
 
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Soooo... let me get this straight... greater regulation of an industry has a negative impact of the proliferation of that industry?

Whoa, as a conservative that thought just never occurred to me before! :roll:


Abortion clinics and voting booths are the only places under the Sun that Democrats refuse to regulate...

It's not the regulation it's the fact that only 4 clinics in the entire state of Texas will not stop women from having abortions. It means we will be going back to illegal abortions which will be bad for women. Untrained and unqualified people performing abortions is a big step backward. But you already know this I am sure.
 
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The people who want to limit, not stop a woman from killing her unborn child are the " moral fascist " ?

How on Earth could a Native Texan be so twisted on such a important issue ?

How could a Native Texan be so susceptable to the obvious false Narratives of the Democrat party ?

Are you a Texan?
 
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My one question for the law would be if it includes something like Virginia tried and Wisconsin has, that has the government mandating medical procedures be performed prior to an abortion (ie the transvaginal ultrasound)?

Well, in Texas...not at this time. But I suspect if our moral fascists who control the Texas government, will have all women testing monthly to see if they are pregnant and if they test positive they will be sent to birthing compounds and be held there until they actually give birth. That way they can completely make sure that no abortion ever occurs.

Meanwhile back at the capitol of Texas, they work vigorously to revamp the education system even more than they have to ensure that no science or civic classes or taught...and the majority of their curriculum will be course on creationism.

And they have been working extra hard to end most social programs which are for born children who are born into poverty, or suffer from abuse, abandonment, neglect and medical services.

Texas legislators should be made saints by the catholic church.
 
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It's not the regulation it's the fact that only 4 clinics in the entire state of Texas will
not stop women from having abortions. It means we will be going back to illegal abortions which will be bad for women. Untrained and unqualified people performing abortions is a big step backward. But you already know this I am sure.

Thats all you people have. Your demagogy and hyperbolic predictions.

You have No idea whats going to happen in Texas and you guys keep spouting this nonsense and made up constructs of back alley abortions because your argument literally has no merit.


No, protecting the rights of the unborn is not going backwards and limiting the Liberal Doctrine, the Democrat agenda in any way is a huge win for any State.

Texas is what it is today because of it's leaders political comitment to Conservatism.

It's why we're the destination for so many jobless Northerners and people from the plague State of California.
 
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Thats all you people have. Your demagogy and hyperbolic predictions.

You have No idea whats going to happen in Texas and you guys keep spouting this nonsense and made up constructs of back alley abortions because your argument literally has no merit.


No, protecting the rights of the unborn is not going backwards and limiting the Liberal Doctrine, the Democrat agenda in any way is a huge win for any State.

Texas is what it is today because of it's leaders political comitment to Conservatism.

It's why we're the destination for so many jobless Northerners and people from the plague State of California.

Oh but I do know what is going to happen in Texas. The whole reason for my post. You refuse to see the obvious. Closing clinics will NOT stop abortions.
 
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I've kept largely silent on this issue with my friends and family because there are quite a few of them who would judge me, if not for my opinion then for the experiences which have shaped it.

...


As for the actual procedure:

I was escorted into one of 5 "operating" rooms. The other four were also filled at the same time. The doctor came in after completing abortions in two of the other rooms (I waited maybe 5 minutes). When he entered the room, he washed his hands, verbally berated one of the nurses for selecting the wrong size tube for the evacuation device, and then rather forcefully positioned me on the table. He then looked at my chart, sighed in annoyance, and complained that I hadn't been administered the requested pain meds and he didn't have time to wait for stupid nurses to do their jobs. So the nurse hurriedly injects me with the medication and before it had even had time to take effect, he unceremoniously jammed the tube where the sun doesn't shine.

I have had kidney stones. I had stones in my gallbladder the size of golf balls. I've had major surgery. NOTHING has ever hurt as badly as that abortion procedure hurt. I went to my regular OBGYN the next Monday because I was convinced the doctor had caused injury during the procedure. Thankfully, other than some cervical scarring (which I'm told PROBABLY won't affect my ability to have children later), no serious damage was done. The procedure itself lasted about 45 seconds. The doctor took off his gloves and left the room without a word once he'd finished. He never even addressed me during his time in the room. After he left, the nurse handed me a pad the size of Wisconsin and walked out of the room. I was in pretty serious pain at that point and it took me a minute or two to get off the table and begin dressing. Apparently, this was too long for the clinic staff, because they came into the room and actually YELLED at me to get dressed and go to "recovery"..

Tess I am so sorry about the horrid expedience you had at the abortion clinic.

You were their patient and they should have treated you with respect and kindness.

It sounds like they were very unprofessional and the Doctor who treated you sounds like he was very rude and overbearing which might be part of the reason the nurses were on edge also.

As a medial doctor he never should have gone forward with the procedure when you were not yet medicated and prepared.

He should have left the room , recomposed himself , allowed the meds to work before returning and as gently and calmly as he could go ahead and proceed with the procedure.

It is really unforgivable what he did to you.

Did you or your personal doctor ever follow up with a letter to your county or state health department or to the director of the clinic?

That doctor should have been investigated for treating you so rough and scarring your cervix.
 
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Oh but I do know what is going to happen in Texas. The whole reason for my post. You refuse to see the obvious. Closing clinics will NOT stop abortions.

The point is, you have no idea if the clinics will close or not. Nobody has looked at the books or finances of Texas abortion clinics. All of this is based on abortion clinic owners saying "If you pass this, we can't afford it and will close".

It's completely and total BS. Abortion is a BIG money game, and it will take a few bucks to meet regulations, but then they'll just keep on chucking. I suspect a lot of clinics will move into hospitals in order to meet the requirement.
 
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I don't find it to be too long or ridiculous. I simply disagree on your final point, which I point out in the post just before yours.

So now, most of the facilities will close. Okay...but I never saw where the Texas Legislators presented facts that in any way prove that there efforts were indeed creating a reduction in health risks for women who seek abortions.

This will simply force women to seek out probably much more unsafe venues to deal with their abortions...just as they did before Roe v. Wade where access to provider who would be, by far, more safe than the alternative.

Thanks, Tess.

I agree.
Closing all those clinics will put many more women who are desperate with no legal place to go and those women will probably end up at much more unsafe venues for their abortions.
 
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Oh but I do know what is going to happen in
Texas. The whole reason for my post. You refuse to see the obvious. Closing clinics will NOT stop abortions.

Listen up...NO ONE is closing Clinics

If they have to update, to provide a safer service then so be it .

Democrats are such Hypocrites and so blinded by their corrupt ideology, they don't even realize Obama is doing the same thing to Industrial Plants through the EPA for the " safety of our citizens."

So, again youv'e provided only your opinion and given your political lean it's a pretty worthless one at that.

The law was passed, over the objections and misinformarion of the left wing.

Deal with it
 
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The point is, you have no idea if the clinics will close or not. Nobody has looked at the books or finances of Texas abortion clinics. All of this is based on abortion clinic owners saying "If you pass this, we can't afford it and will close".

It's completely and total BS. Abortion is a BIG money game, and it will take a few bucks to meet regulations, but then they'll just keep on chucking. I suspect a lot of clinics will move into hospitals in order to meet the requirement.

No they won't move into hospitals. Just going to an emergency room for one hour in a regular hospital can cost p to $5000...and that's for first aid services.

Abortion clinics aren't a huge income producing, big profit business.

Besides there would be too much legal red tape and funding issues for hospitals to create abortion centers.

Remember, hospitals are going to get theirs one way or another and generally through people who have insurance. That's not going to be an option for most women who do have abortions. And government medicaid won't pay for abortions...UNLESS the woman's life verifiably is at stake.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Listen up...NO ONE is closing Clinics

If they have to update, to provide a safer service then so be it .

Democrats are such Hypocrites and so blinded by their corrupt ideology, they don't even realize Obama is doing the same thing to Industrial Plants through the EPA for the " safety of our citizens."

So, again youv'e provided only your opinion and given your political lean it's a pretty worthless one at that.

The law was passed, over the objections and misinformarion of the left wing.

Deal with it

Please source information that provides us with the medical guidelines that current abortion centers will have to comply with in order to remain open.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Listen up...NO ONE is closing Clinics

If they have to update, to provide a safer service then so be it ....

An Ambulatory Surgical Center would cost about one and a half million dollars to build.

From this article:
Abortion hardly has any complications, period.
We’re not revenue generators for hospitals. We don’t bring business to the hospital as abortion providers," Miller said.

Then there’s the provision of the bill that would require abortions to only be performed in facilities that meet the standards of an ambulatory surgical center,
or ASC.

Miller has one of the five ASC abortion clinics already up and running in Texas. I took a tour of the San Antonio facility in April. Once we got past the lobby, the facility looked much more like an emergency room than a doctor’s office –including the bright red line that divides the sterile surgical suites from the rest of the center.

“And you see basically an operating room suite that looks like we’re doing brain surgery right. I mean, there’s giant lights on the wall. There’s a big operating room table. There’s a full anesthesia machine. This room is about three or four times the size of a procedure room that would be in an abortion facility," Miller said as we toured one of the clinic surgical suites.

Miller said ASCs, with physical requirements including wide doorways, separate janitors’ closets, and environmental controls that keep rooms cold and blankets warmed to specific temperatures, were created for surgeries.

“Abortion is a procedure. It’s not really a surgery. There’s not any incisions, there’s not any stitches.

The procedure itself takes maybe five or 10 minutes.

So it’s not like an operation that has multiple physicians where the patients knee is open or her belly is open for a sort of more invasive that this sort of ambulatory surgical center was really devised for," Miller said.


And then there’s the cost. Miller said
it would have cost her one and a half million dollars to build the center she leases in San Antonio.

And it took her six years to find an ASC that was about to close its doors so she could come in and lease it.

The facility costs her $40,000 more a month to operate than her other abortion clinics.

She said if the abortion bill becomes law, the cost of upgrading abortion facilities will be too big and the number of clinics in Texas will drop from 42 to 5.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Listen up...NO ONE is closing Clinics

If they have to update, to provide a safer service then so be it .

Democrats are such Hypocrites and so blinded by their corrupt ideology, they don't even realize Obama is doing the same thing to Industrial Plants through the EPA for the " safety of our citizens."

So, again youv'e provided only your opinion and given your political lean it's a pretty worthless one at that.

The law was passed, over the objections and misinformarion of the left wing.

Deal with it

I read the article here.
 
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Actually the 20 week abortion limit was struck down in 9 western states this May as too restrictive.
The 20 week limit had already been struck in Idaho.

One of the main reasons it was struck down is because these states did NOT allow for EXCEPTIONS in the cases of fetal or gentic deformaties.

Tests cannot be performed until 18 to 20 weeks gestation and the 20 week cutoff would not allow woman to have abortions in those very sad cases. even if the fetus had NO chance of surviving after birth.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/u...tions-struck-down-in-federal-court.html?_r=1&

Thanks for the update.
 
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No they won't move into hospitals. Just going to an emergency room for one hour in a regular hospital can cost p to $5000...and that's for first aid services.

Abortion clinics aren't a huge income producing, big profit business.

Besides there would be too much legal red tape and funding issues for hospitals to create abortion centers.

Remember, hospitals are going to get theirs one way or another and generally through people who have insurance. That's not going to be an option for most women who do have abortions. And government medicaid won't pay for abortions...UNLESS the woman's life verifiably is at stake.

That's absolutely not true. Most hospitals rent out offices to private doctors. For instance, any plastic surgeon either needs to meet the regulatory requirements in his private clinic, or rent office space from a place like a hospital that has those services on site. Abortion is no different. They now have more regulations, so they will have to either update their clinics, or move into a hospital.

The plain fact of the matter is, the stat we keep hearing that "every abortion clinic in Texas except for 4 will close" is complete and utter nonsense. All they did was count the number of clinics that didn't currently meet the standard. They did no analysis of their books or financial situation whatsoever.

Abortions are just going to get a little more expensive, but that comes with all government regulation. The left wanted more government regulation of health care, and here it is. Boo hoo, they brought it on themselves.

An Ambulatory Surgical Center would cost about one and a half million dollars to build.

From this article:

Good thing they don't have to. They can rent office space in a hospital that has it.

Even better from your article, the person mentions she didn't have to buy her clinic, she's leasing it.
 
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It's not the regulation it's the fact that only 4 clinics in the entire state of Texas will not stop women from having abortions. It means we will be going back to illegal abortions which will be bad for women. Untrained and unqualified people performing abortions is a big step backward. But you already know this I am sure.


So the other clinics are closing for no reason then?
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Please source
information that provides us with the medical guidelines that current abortion centers will have to comply with in order to remain open.

Yea I'll leave that up to you pro-abortion people to source.

Because obviously the new law in Texas doesn't STOP abortions all together, since that would make it unconsitiutional.

Abortion Clinics Cant afford it ? Boo Frickity Hoo..

Maybe their supporters should send in donations to help them meet the new standards, or does your support stop at your wallet ?
 
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Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions | Fox News

The hotly contested bill appears to have passed in the Texas state senate and is being sent to the governor's desk. It appears that we've inched a little bit closer to progressing as a nation.

If its late term abortions that bother you (and that's not something i would disagree with) then why the opposition to making the morning after pill (and indeed condoms) available to high school students?
 
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From your source:



What a misleading title.

How so?
The pro-illegal abortionists are also going after birth control. Personhood amendments will make many popular forms of birth control illegal here too.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

That's absolutely not true. Most hospitals rent out offices to private doctors. For instance, any plastic surgeon either needs to meet the regulatory requirements in his private clinic, or rent office space from a place like a hospital that has those services on site. Abortion is no different. They now have more regulations, so they will have to either update their clinics, or move into a hospital...

Hopspitals most likely will not rent space for abortions because they would not want all the pro life picketers around their hospital.
 
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How so?
The pro-illegal abortionists are also going after birth control. Personhood amendments will make many popular forms of birth control illegal here too.

How so?

You were trying to play it off like more liberal abortion policy meant less abortions, but that's not what the study showed. The study showed that countries with better access to birth control have less abortions. That, of course, is obvious without a study.
 
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Yea I'll leave that up to you pro-abortion people to source.

Because obviously the new law in Texas doesn't STOP abortions all together, since that would make it unconsitiutional.

Abortion Clinics Cant afford it ? Boo Frickity Hoo..

Maybe their supporters should send in donations to help them meet the new standards, or does your support stop at your wallet ?

I have opened my wallet and I will most certainly open it again.
 
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