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US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

Rocketman said:
Apples and oranges, please:roll:
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The US position on geo-politics is pretty hypocritical.

However, I do understand our position considering (generally, and I don't know about Obama) that we're looking out for our own best interests....

Geo-politics is a hypocritical sport... Every world power is looking out for themselves and their alias. The problem with theocratic governments is that their interests reside on dominating via religion rather than democracy or freedom.

I hope what I said makes some sense because such a topic would really take a thesis to fully explain rather than a few brief sentences.
 
Higgins86 said:
so you don't think countries like Russia will use this as an example the next time the US questions their dealings?
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Egypt versus Syria?:lamo
 
Rocketman said:
Egypt versus Syria?:lamo
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sorry didn't know you could read the future? You want to give weapons to a country that just staged a coup and who's opposition just vowed to fight on, do you really want to take the chance on giving this country more weapons when 12 months down the line those same weapons could be used against their own people and the rets of the world will say " good thing the US armed those gov forces". Honestly don't see what the US gains from taking that kind of risk.
 
Higgins86 said:
sorry didn't know you could read the future? You want to give weapons to a country that just staged a coup and who's opposition just vowed to fight on, do you really want to take the chance on giving this country more weapons when 12 months down the line those same weapons could be used against their own people and the rets of the world will say " good thing the US armed those gov forces". Honestly don't see what the US gains from taking that kind of risk.
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Egypt is not a risk, comparing it to Syria is ridiculous
 
Rocketman said:
Egypt is not a risk, comparing it to Syria is ridiculous
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lol sorry its not a risk? No sir saying that Egypt is not a risk is ridiculous, the country just staged a bloody coup lol
 
Higgins86 said:
BBC News - Egypt unrest: US to go ahead with F-16 jets delivery


"The US is going ahead with plans to deliver four F-16 fighter jets to Egypt despite the political unrest in the country, senior American officials say.

It comes as Washington is continuing to evaluate last week's overthrow of President Mohammed Morsi by the army. "



I'm really happy the Obama administration and the US military were able to put aside their "concern" at the on going events in Egypt and still manage to sell the much needed F-16's to a country which is falling into chaos. Oh well at the very least the government will have 4 more Jets to bomb their civilians with if this situation goes in the direction of Syria or if we are lucky they will fall into the hands of extremists whilst the country is tearing at the seams.
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The army in Egypt is the most stabilizing factor in that country. They do not bomb their population and civil war like Syria is not in the cards IMHO for Egypt.

A strong Egypt (with army) is very important for the influence of the US and if that takes selling f-16's to Egypt than so be it.
 
Peter King said:
The army in Egypt is the most stabilizing factor in that country. They do not bomb their population and civil war like Syria is not in the cards IMHO for Egypt.

A strong Egypt (with army) is very important for the influence of the US and if that takes selling f-16's to Egypt than so be it.
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Couple of years ago Syria was one of the most stable countries in the region with a strong army...
 
Higgins86 said:
Couple of years ago Syria was one of the most stable countries in the region with a strong army...
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Not like Egypt.

In Syria is the ruler member of a minority religious group (Shia, only 13% of the population are Shia) and the overwhelming majority is Sunni. Also there are a lot of ethnic groups.

Egypt does not have this issue. They do not have a government that belongs to a minority religious or ethnic group.
 
Peter King said:
Not like Egypt.

In Syria is the ruler member of a minority religious group (Shia, only 13% of the population are Shia) and the overwhelming majority is Sunni. Also there are a lot of ethnic groups.

Egypt does not have this issue. They do not have a government that belongs to a minority religious or ethnic group.
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But they did have a leader who was heavily backed by the Muslim brotherhood and then of course toppled by the Military the same military that took down its own people during the arab spring and continues to kill unarmed civilians in the aftermath of their coup. The country is highly unstable and our track record for arming countries in the region isn't exactly great but it seems like something western powers are more than happy to keep finding out the hard way.
 
Sherman123 said:
That isn't at all why we criticize Russia or China for selling arms to Syria (pointedly it has primarily been Russia not China) we criticize them because we do not think the fascistic Baath regime should be acquiring any more support. The situation in Egypt at present pales in comparison to what has occurred in Syria, and it doesn't make sense to have a complete break with Egypt when there remains the possibility of salvaging the situation.
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Just how does it pale in comparison? Did you forget about the MB being involved with those Syrian Rebels? Did you forget about us backing some Sunni terrorists plus the MB to help give the Sunni another country to run.

Also we don't need Egypt.....for Anything!
 
Higgins86 said:
But they did have a leader who was heavily backed by the Muslim brotherhood and then of course toppled by the Military the same military that took down its own people during the arab spring and continues to kill unarmed civilians in the aftermath of their coup. The country is highly unstable and our track record for arming countries in the region isn't exactly great but it seems like something western powers are more than happy to keep finding out the hard way.
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In such a problematic situation, where large groups are possible moving towards a large conflict, a stable army is very important. And again, still not the same as a minority who is dictatorial like Assad is. Where a minority with the support of the army and foreign support is suppressing the large majority of Syrian people.
 
Peter King said:
In such a problematic situation, where large groups are possible moving towards a large conflict, a stable army is very important. And again, still not the same as a minority who is dictatorial like Assad is. Where a minority with the support of the army and foreign support is suppressing the large majority of Syrian people.
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your presuming of course that the military doesn't make a play for power themselves.
 
Rocketman said:
Apples and oranges, please:roll:
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How so.....we are suppling the Rebels inside Syria with assistance. Helping them evade capture, and trying to cause the Downfall of another country's government. Not even for a better government by the people, for the people and of the People.

Seems the MB don't belong inside Syria......So why are they there. Other than to stir up trouble and kill Christians and those that don't think like. Including the Alawites and any other Religious groups.

Notice how the same deal of Killing Coptic Christians, burning their Churches down, all happens in Every Sunni Controlled country. While we stand around and pat them on the back.

Time for a Change.....time to not get involved in any Sunni adventures. Lets see what ANY Sunni can do without the assistance of the West.

Not one of those Sunni led countries. Can stand on their own two feet and fight their own battles. Now why do you think that is?
 
Higgins86 said:
your presuming of course that the military doesn't make a play for power themselves.
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The army has not shown those signs, quite to the contrary. It is not like Myanmar where the junta was in power for decades.
 
Peter King said:
The army has not shown those signs, quite to the contrary. It is not like Myanmar where the junta was in power for decades.
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Some Egyptians would probably argue that especially if they were supporters of the president, we shall see though.
 
Higgins86 said:
Some Egyptians would probably argue that especially if they were supporters of the president, we shall see though.
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I think the US wants a stable Egyptian gov't, even a military junta, to protect the Big Energy Corporations transit routes for Persian Gulf OIL and to enhance Israeli security. I think the Big Energy Corporations and Israel should foot the bill for these operations, not you, me, and Grandma.
 
DaveFagan said:
I think the US wants a stable Egyptian gov't, even a military junta, to protect the Big Energy Corporations transit routes for Persian Gulf OIL and to enhance Israeli security. I think the Big Energy Corporations and Israel should foot the bill for these operations, not you, me, and Grandma.
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Heya DF.
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Good point with the Suez being one of them. But Also lets not forget that it is, the Egyptian military that Owns most of all the Business in Egypt.
 
That's not all we are doing either.....since Egypt has become a Crisis Situation.

U.S. Navy ships in Red Sea move close to Egypt as precaution.....

Two U.S. Navy ships patrolling in the Middle East moved closer to Egypt's Red Sea coast in recent days, the top Marine Corps general said on Thursday, in what appeared to be a precautionary move after the military overthrow of President Mohamed Mursi.

The United States often sends Navy vessels close to countries in turmoil in case it needs to protect or evacuate U.S. citizens or take part in humanitarian assistance. Their presence does not necessarily mean the United States is preparing to carry out military action.

"Egypt is (in) a crisis right now," Marine Corps Commandant General James Amos told the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank. "When that happens, what we owe the senior leadership of our nation are some options," Amos said. He did not say what the options were.

U.S. Navy and Marine Corp officials said the two ships, part of a three-ship amphibious readiness group, had been in the region since May, patrolling the Red Sea, Horn of Africa, the Gulf and the Arabian Sea, and that there were no new orders to prepare for a possible conflict in Egypt.

Washington has walked a careful line, neither welcoming Mursi's removal last week nor denouncing it as a "coup." U.S. defense officials on Wednesday said they still planned to send four F-16 fighter jets to the Egyptian government as planned in coming weeks......snip~

U.S. Navy ships in Red Sea move close to Egypt as precaution
Reuters – Thu, Jul 11, 2013 <<<<< More here way more.
 
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