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Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

You could acknowledge that you support an agenda and rely on sources friendly to your beliefs...

If you are looking about facts about immigration, why wouldn't I use a source dedicated to the research on the subject? You just didn't like it. Not my problem. Feel free to find a source to dispute the data or conduct your own research if that is the only source you believe.
 
If you are looking about facts about immigration, why wouldn't I use a source dedicated to the research on the subject? You just didn't like it. Not my problem. Feel free to find a source to dispute the data or conduct your own research if that is the only source you believe.

I don't feel the need to use sources to justify my opinions and observations. I'm sorry that you do feel that need...
 
But that is (or should be) under control of our gov't. Surely even you can see that. Walmart is doing exactly what it should do, and what every business does, paying only what it takes to attract and retain the labor force that it needs. The fact that aliens, legal or not, are willing to work for what is offered while others are not is not going to make CEOs (or our congress critters) blink an eye. If you seriously believe that U.S. immigration policy is not correct then take that up with your congress critter, but bear in mind that Obama, our telepromter in chief, seeks to bring even more cheap foreign labor into the mix in his dreamy sort of way.

So long as the gov't is willing to supplement the lower wages of U.S. workers with its goofy income redistribution programs, then nobody is going to care what the private portion of their income is. If I can work a McJob and have General Welfare, or Uncle Sucker, make up the cost of living difference to allow me to live comfortably then the McCEO has not a care in the world about increasing the level of pay offered.

Well, I've been 'round about the topic of minimum wage earlier so I'm done. I just wanted to put an end to the pompous attitude I was hearing from posters about if only you get a degree in a highly needed field yada yada yada you won't have to worry. The fact is people in highly needed fields in this country are unemployed because they can be replaced with cheaper workers. It's a vicious cycle for many people in this country not just what people call the "lazy" and "stupid" or "uneducated".
 
Trust me I know Paul. No facts will change them.

No, I don't think you know at all. It doesn't interest me to see a war of links between two posters. I'm more interested in an honest exchange of ideas as to identifying the causes and how we, as a nation, might overcome the challenges we face today. "Facts" one posts that rely on the thoughts of others as their basis is nothing more than not having a conviction of one's own...
 
Well, I've been 'round about the topic of minimum wage earlier so I'm done. I just wanted to put an end to the pompous attitude I was hearing from posters about if only you get a degree in a highly needed field yada yada yada you won't have to worry. The fact is people in highly needed fields in this country are unemployed because they can be replaced with cheaper workers. It's a vicious cycle for many people in this country not just what people call the "lazy" and "stupid" or "uneducated".

Welcome to Earth, third rock from the sun. The minimum wage has nothing to do with it, so long as General Welfare, or Uncle Sucker, is willing to supplement that to a "living wage". Cheaper workers are simply those that realize you are really worth only what others with the same required skill set willingly accept as a salary. You do not need to live in a very large house, drive a newish car and have hundreds of electronic toys and every imaginable labor saving appliance as seen on TV. I am quite happy to have a modest home, an old work truck a TV and a computer. To compete with my wage requirements you must either accept that lifestyle or convince an employer that your labor/skill set is so superior to mine as to command a higher pay rate.
 
No, I don't think you know at all. It doesn't interest me to see a war of links between two posters. I'm more interested in an honest exchange of ideas as to identifying the causes and how we, as a nation, might overcome the challenges we face today. "Facts" one posts that rely on the thoughts of others as their basis is nothing more than not having a conviction of one's own...


Conviction and facts are not the same thing but if you just want to debate your opinion feel free. Have a great night Paul.
 
Welcome to Earth, third rock from the sun. The minimum wage has nothing to do with it, so long as General Welfare, or Uncle Sucker, is willing to supplement that to a "living wage". Cheaper workers are simply those that realize you are really worth only what others with the same required skill set willingly accept as a salary. You do not need to live in a very large house, drive a newish car and have hundreds of electronic toys and every imaginable labor saving appliance as seen on TV. I am quite happy to have a modest home, an old work truck a TV and a computer. To compete with my wage requirements you must either accept that lifestyle or convince an employer that your labor/skill set is so superior to mine as to command a higher pay rate.

Fact- The American worker's wages have been stagnate for decades. Fact: Productivity has also gone up for decades. If people want to justify the stagnation of wages feel free. I find it sad in a country that is one of the richest in the world. I'm done for tonight. Have a good night ttwtt.
 
Fact- The American worker's wages have been stagnate for decades. Fact: Productivity has also gone up for decades. If people want to justify the stagnation of wages feel free. I find it sad in a country that is one of the richest in the world. I'm done for tonight. Have a good night ttwtt.

Productivity is generally measured in monetary terms and in hours worked. Being among the richest nations is also measured in this fashion.

That really doesn't tell you much in terms of how much employees are producing relative to how much they should be making.
 
God can have any more of a red herring or do you really not understand what I've posted? Hint: It has nothing to do with engineers being wait staff. It has everything to do with many are also finding themselves unemployed in this country. They are not immune to the undercutting of our work force.
Given the extraordinary pressures on businesses to convert full time jobs to part time jobs isn't this one more argument for ending Obamacare?
 
Fact- The American worker's wages have been stagnate for decades. Fact: Productivity has also gone up for decades. If people want to justify the stagnation of wages feel free. I find it sad in a country that is one of the richest in the world. I'm done for tonight. Have a good night ttwtt.
Uh, as a nation we are broke. We are more bankrupt that Detroit. We can never cover our federal unfunded liabilities. Never.
 
What great way to kept them out of your town, just increase the minimum wage.


Why would you want to keep WalMart out of your town?

You do realize the minimum wage... artificially inflating wages has done great damage to US jobs?​
 
So are you a liar or simply uniformed?

Do you know what the difference between a top marginal rate and an effective rate? Are you hoping none of us know?

I must be uninformed. I do not purposely lie. I do not try to post in the mean-spirited way so prevalent on DP, though I am not perfect. And gladly would he learn and gladly teach; my college motto. I have made a note of your 2nd question, a perfectly sensible response to mine.
 
Ok, that doesn't mean anything. There are still plenty of people with "good degrees" that are underemployed.

Yes it does mean something. It means art majors are having a hard time finding work and engineers aren't. :shrug:
 
Bush was moderate?

Holy #*@&^$... what freakin universe did I wake up in? Mr. if you're left of far right you're a liberal? Bush... a moderate? Do you mean Bush Sr?

In a crazy world where Obama could be called a moderate...Bush is damn near neutral. :shrug:
 
Why would you want to keep WalMart out of your town?

You do realize the minimum wage... artificially inflating wages has done great damage to US jobs?


Since when. Do you know that using constant dollars, compensating for inflation, the minimum wage has dropped?
 
Why would you want to keep WalMart out of your town?

You do realize the minimum wage... artificially inflating wages has done great damage to US jobs?

No, but then it does not, and in fact does the opposite. It creates more jobs, albeit different ones. For example, we cannot compete well for unskilled manufacturing, not at $7.25 / hr nor $1 / hr. Countries with large peasant workforces are going to get that work. No getting away from it. But some cannot be outsourced, no matter how much a retailer would love it if goods could be rung up or stocked onto shelves, by cheap foreign labor, remotely. But they cannot; they have to hire locally. So the services sector is going nuts creating the bulk of new jobs, in our workforce, which has more workers today than at any time in history. But the wages are shrinking, so less is purchased in retail, reducing the need for other workers to be added. If we take the $7.25 and make it $12, then lots (millions) of jobs will be created. If we take it to $1 / hr, not only will we not compete for manufacturing, but the need for workers in retail, who cannot be outsource, will be reduced by millions.

Realizing a falsehood, as you urge, is merely embracing a delusion and not actually realizing anything.
 
No, but then it does not, and in fact does the opposite. It creates more jobs, albeit different ones. For example, we cannot compete well for unskilled manufacturing, not at $7.25 / hr nor $1 / hr. Countries with large peasant workforces are going to get that work. No getting away from it. But some cannot be outsourced, no matter how much a retailer would love it if goods could be rung up or stocked onto shelves, by cheap foreign labor, remotely. But they cannot; they have to hire locally. So the services sector is going nuts creating the bulk of new jobs, in our workforce, which has more workers today than at any time in history. But the wages are shrinking, so less is purchased in retail, reducing the need for other workers to be added. If we take the $7.25 and make it $12, then lots (millions) of jobs will be created. If we take it to $1 / hr, not only will we not compete for manufacturing, but the need for workers in retail, who cannot be outsource, will be reduced by millions.

Realizing a falsehood, as you urge, is merely embracing a delusion and not actually realizing anything.

I don't know what is so hard to understand about paying people enough money so that they then spend it, create demand, which requires more production or services, which requires more workers ... but when Wal Mart decides to pay its CEO 1034 times the median wage of its workers ...
people often don't realize that the minimum wage is only secondarily to prevent people from starving ... the main reason for it is to pump money into the economy ...
 
In a crazy world where Obama could be called a moderate...Bush is damn near neutral. :shrug:

Sorry, I don't live in a vague and morally relative world. Comparisons don't do it for me... you are judged on your deeds and their merits. So once you remove the "adjusted for inflationary ideology", what you're left with is that Bush was in fact, by all definitions of POLITICAL SCIENCE... far-right... Obama is also far right in deeds, but not in rhetoric. The theater of rhetoric is all the matter to the masses though... keep you all spinning your wheels on emo class, wealth, moral and social issues, while foreign policy stays the same, secrecy stays the same or worse, defense-same, domestic spying-same or worse, in bed with wall street-same, revolving door in the lobbist lobby-same, and so on.

You all just keep feeding off the idea that your fellow countrymen are your enemy and that there is more than one party...
 
Productivity is generally measured in monetary terms and in hours worked. Being among the richest nations is also measured in this fashion.

That really doesn't tell you much in terms of how much employees are producing relative to how much they should be making.

What it does tell us is that worker's have very little negotiating power. Competing organizations' power has all been squashed in the pass 30 or so years. No power means no setting standards. In our current environment, where worker insecurity is hitting many professions, people are afraid to negotiate with the boss for higher wages. Also, many corporations make higher profit by undercutting and/or outsourcing the employee(s).
 
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Given the extraordinary pressures on businesses to convert full time jobs to part time jobs isn't this one more argument for ending Obamacare?

How about a VAT tax like other countries? It would make us more competitive on the global market.
 
How about a VAT tax like other countries? It would make us more competitive on the global market.

It would just make the stuff we buy more expensive, and reduce unit-consumption (say buh bye to 1000s or 1,000,000s of jobs)

We have state level income tax now, due to having to have some redundancies to get all 13 colonies on board. So adding a value-added tax would simply shift more burden of taxation onto consumers, and not make us more competitive in the world, which is over-rated and over-stated (Globalism is about only 18% of our economy).

Canada can get away with PST/GST since they have a smaller population, and it pays for lots of stuff we have to purchase separately, down in these parts. But even then, Canada would do better to rely more on progressive taxation, and not taxing consumption, which is regressive.
 
Productivity is generally measured in monetary terms and in hours worked. Being among the richest nations is also measured in this fashion.

That really doesn't tell you much in terms of how much employees are producing relative to how much they should be making.

In terms of a living wage or a poverty wage, yes... it does.

Hours worked...

Hours.. time... life. All life is precious. Time is precious.. the most precious. If one is willing to give of their lives over to the direction and control of another, that person should be paid a "living" wage..

Work.. body... energy... food... health... Unlike time which we are given an unknown quantity of, we must invest in food, health and body to produce work. We should not be paid less than it takes to keep the human machine in good condition.
 
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