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Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

Sisyphus said:
Most would consider it a better activity, emotionally, than getting your panties in a twist losing debates, badly, on this site.
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I that why you do so on a political debate site?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
My point didn't relate to actual wages. It was more towards the actions of the council in singling out a particular business for persecution. You know as well as I that wages are a function of supply for the particular skill(s) being sought...
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and I addressed that Paul ... in fact, if you're going to single out a company, Wal-Mart is the one you'd pick ... that's a no brainer -- they're the company leading the race to the bottom, in effect "forcing" companies to take production overseas, if they want Wal-Mart's business -- where the cheap labor is, where they don't have to worry about safety issues, where the environment be damned -- I find it curious how many conservatives don't have more of a problem with this and still constantly wrap themselves in the flag ...

and please Paul, you're one of the smartest guys on these threads when it comes to the economy, so please don't insult me with the simplistic "supply-demand" response ... you and I know that it is more complicated than that and that the free enterprise system is not as free as that suggests ... but that conversation will have to wait ... gotta head home to make dinner for my son and me ... take care ...
 
windowdressing said:
and I addressed that Paul ... in fact, if you're going to single out a company, Wal-Mart is the one you'd pick ... that's a no brainer -- they're the company leading the race to the bottom, in effect "forcing" companies to take production overseas -- where the cheap labor is, where they don't have to worry about safety issues, where the environment be damned -- if they want their (Wal-Mart's) business ... I find it curious how many conservatives don't have more of a problem with this and still constantly wrap themselves in the flag ...

and please Paul, you're one of the smartest guys on these threads when it comes to the economy, so please don't insult me with the simplistic "supply-demand" response ... you and I know that it is more complicated than that and that the free enterprise system is not as free as that suggests ... but that conversation will have to wait ... gotta head home to make dinner for my son and me ... take care ...
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Which component of society makes it the largest employer in the world by choosing to do its business there?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Which component of society makes it the largest employer in the world by choosing to do its business there?
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EBT cardholders; lower income folks; middle incomers in more rural areas with less consumer choice; some upper middle types, albeit not many. None of the Walton family types, with Billions, I'd speculate.
 
Sisyphus said:
EBT cardholders; lower income folks; middle incomers in more rural areas with less consumer choice; some upper middle types, albeit not many. None of the Walton family types, with Billions, I'd speculate.
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There may be hope for you yet (not holding my breath though)...
 
Sisyphus said:
EBT cardholders; lower income folks; middle incomers in more rural areas with less consumer choice; some upper middle types, albeit not many. None of the Walton family types, with Billions, I'd speculate.
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and why do you think they do?
 
Sisyphus said:
EBT cardholders; lower income folks; middle incomers in more rural areas with less consumer choice; some upper middle types, albeit not many. None of the Walton family types, with Billions, I'd speculate.
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in fact, Wal-Mart creates many of its own customers by paying their workers next to nothing so that they have to shop at Wal-Mart because they can keep prices down by paying them next to nothing... cute trick, no?

Have a good night Sisyphus ...
 
windowdressing said:
in fact, Wal-Mart creates many of its own customers by paying their workers next to nothing so that they have to shop at Wal-Mart because they can keep prices down by paying them next to nothing... cute trick, no?

Have a good night Sisyphus ...
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The customers already existed. Walmart merely filled a need...
 
mac said:
Well, at least you didn't call me boy. You must be an enlightened elitist.
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just enlightened ... I'm a man of the people, just trying to get from one day to the next, fighting evil on these threads with my spare time ...
 
windowdressing said:
just enlightened ... I'm a man of the people, just trying to get from one day to the next, fighting evil on these threads with my spare time ...
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Then you aught to shake of your blinders, son.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The customers already existed. Walmart merely filled a need...
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This is true. During the 80's and 90's while the Right was diverting the nation from it's real problems, inflation and low wages, with their song and dance about "taxes", Walmart stepped into the resulting chasm of disparity..................
 
mac said:
Then you aught to shake of your blinders, son.
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will do pops ... OMG! :eek: You guys are dumber than I thought! I wish you hadn't told me to take off my blinders Pops ... now I'm really depressed ... later mac ...
 
windowdressing said:
will do pops ... OMG! :eek: You guys are dumber than I thought! I wish you hadn't told me to take off my blinders Pops ... now I'm really depressed ... later mac ...
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"You guys"? you mean us coloreds?
 
windowdressing said:
just enlightened ... I'm a man of the people, just trying to get from one day to the next, fighting evil on these threads with my spare time ...
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do you believe the people, or their ideas are evil, on this forum?


i myself believe in the people to, however i dont believe in giving the people all direct power.

any [one, few, many] who have all direct power will become tyrannical.

"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. --federalist 47
 
mac said:
and why do you think they do?
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Because it's their target demographic, and appeals to that segment by design.

Would I shop there? Not really. I prefer prime beef and free range organic chicken fed organically. Also other more premium items, from a food standpoint. Whole Foods, Metropolitan Market, and when slumming, Krogers. But they do not serve, by design, the top 10%, and do better to appeal to the larger bottom 90%.
 
mac said:
What is it that appeals to them?
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Price, selection, perceived quality/value, and in more rural markets, sole-supplier, virtually.
 
Sisyphus said:
Price, selection, perceived quality/value, and in more rural markets, sole-supplier, virtually.
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So, supplying quality goods at a low price in an under served market is bad for the community, huh?
 
mac said:
So, supplying quality goods at a low price in an under served market is bad for the community, huh?
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The market was not and is not under-served. But when FW Woolworth pulled the rug out from under Sam Walton, and he opened his own store, Sam had an epiphany: if he drove at night he could source goods more cheaply, and catch his market rivals off guard, with prices they could not match and remain profitable. Since then, sourcing product for less is their driving philosophy. Suppliers of a cool widget wanting to get onto Walmart shelves, can and do get assistance from Walmart on off-shore manufacture to get the cost down. It's a highly evolved retail concept, which puts more products into the market (more goods, not a larger market) and kicks butt most places.

I have no problem with that and in fact admire it. But we've allowed our minimum wage to be too low, and they have competition and of course cannot compete if unilaterally raising pay. So that's our job, via policy.

And in my opinion, the DC proposal is stupid. Raise the minimum wage to $12, so more consumers offset the higher pay. But targeting only certain retailers, turns it into a flat-cost calculation, and might be good politics (leveraging foolish Walmart-disdain) but stupid economically. Wage increases have to be across the board to work effectively.
 
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