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Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

trfjr said:
lets talk about the fact that the city of DC doesn't pay all its employees the so called living wage. So how in the hell can that call out a company for not doing it when themselves don't. Just another example on the mile long list of liberal hypocrisy
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Why? Was the conversation we were having a bit beyond your ability to jump in?
 
mac said:
How about posting some facts to back all this up?
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every thing you described is caused by economic status not racial. we have more poor whites then we have poor blacks a poor white kids has the same disadvantages as a poor black kid so why does one deserve extra consideration and not the other?
 
windowdressing said:
your call of course, but I just responded to mac and said that I hoped that you didn't bother to respond to him ... these little stupid games by cons, including ones masquerading as moderates, get old ...
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No sweat, and much appreciated in stating the obvious was in fact that. A sage approach.

Plus, the query was "what minority issues?" So if even not factual (they are) if minority groups in fact have taken them up as causes (they have) then my answer is still true.

Simply put: Does Del a Raza oppose laws like that in AZ and other anti-immigration effort? Of course.

Does NAACP support and defend Affirmative Action, decry incarceration rates among Blacks, promote food and housing assistance for the poor? Of course.

Hence, there are in fact many minority issues, which the GOP is on the wrong side of reflexively. So the question is, in my mind, not why 70% of minorities voted Dem; it's why did 30% vote Rep????
 
Sisyphus said:
Why? Was the conversation we were having a bit beyond your ability to jump in?
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yes it is a change of subject from your conversation but your conversation was a derailing one i want to discuss what the topic of the thread is about not what your derailment is.
so are you going to answer the question how does the city of DC force a company to pay a so called living wage when they don't?
 
trfjr said:
yes it is a change of subject from your conversation but your conversation was a derailing one i want to discuss what the topic of the thread is about not what your derailment is.
so are you going to answer the question how does the city of DC force a company to pay a so called living wage when they don't?
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Why would what I post prevent you from posting whatever you wish, aside from me?
 
Sisyphus said:
Why would what I post prevent you from posting whatever you wish, aside from me?
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so you refuse to answer. typical liberal distraction when hypocrisy is pointed out either answer the question or stop wasting yours and my time replying that has nothing to do with the threads topic
 
trfjr said:
so you refuse to answer. typical liberal distraction when hypocrisy is pointed out either answer the question or stop wasting yours and my time replying that has nothing to do with the threads topic
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No. Just pointing out the folly of your approach with me. If you cannot handle others discussing things you do not wish to debate or have to read, then stay the hell away from this and most other threads. Also, suggesting that I'm somehow preventing you from saying what you wish, is absurd to an extent bordering on loopy.

Now then, since you asked: no; I do not agree with targeted wage minimums for retailers of a certain size. Just raise the minimum wage for all employers, so those now paying a higher wage benefit from other employers doing the same (demand side offsets wage increase.) So while I'd advocate for better wages, the way the DC Council has proposes it be done seems stupid to me.

That help?
 
Sisyphus said:
Sure, if there was just a cost-side calculation and we did, as you're doing, ignore the demand side:

1. What additional percentage rise in per-store sales are needed if Walmart were to pay all its employees $12/hr or more? (Less than 15%)

2. What percentage of our workforce would have more to spend, if $12 / hr was the minimum? (Nearly Half)

3. Would demand therefore eclipse the higher payroll cost? (Yes; as it has every time the prevailing wage or minimum wage increases by a significant margin ... in excess of inflation, raising unit demand.)
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And then eventually, prices rise to cover the costs of raising the minimum wage. Pretty much negates the whole premise.
Short term, feel good stuff to garner immediate votes with long term unintended consequences. Seems to be the status quo.
 
Sisyphus said:
No sweat, and much appreciated in stating the obvious was in fact that. A sage approach.

Plus, the query was "what minority issues?" So if even not factual (they are) if minority groups in fact have taken them up as causes (they have) then my answer is still true.

Simply put: Does Del a Raza oppose laws like that in AZ and other anti-immigration effort? Of course.

Does NAACP support and defend Affirmative Action, decry incarceration rates among Blacks, promote food and housing assistance for the poor? Of course.

Hence, there are in fact many minority issues, which the GOP is on the wrong side of reflexively. So the question is, in my mind, not why 70% of minorities voted Dem; it's why did 30% vote Rep????
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Perhaps the 30% does not like living on the liberal "plantation". Maybe they choose to believe that they do not have to accept being told they are not capable of succeeding on their own merit but need governmental assistance to do so. Just a thought.
 
BretJ said:
And then eventually, prices rise to cover the costs of raising the minimum wage. Pretty much negates the whole premise.
Short term, feel good stuff to garner immediate votes with long term unintended consequences. Seems to be the status quo.
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Not born out in the history of the minimum wage, which has been raised many times. Nor if you have the basest grasp of the economic impact of wage increase in political economies.

So what in fact happens is wages increase as a percentage, maybe. Some businesses will get enough new business from the growing demand, to more than eclipse their wage-cost-increase, since few pay exactly the minimum. Generally they're near or above the FMW. But with millions now more economically empowered, few if any do not see sales increases. So even if labor increases as a percentage, now other fixed costs (rent, utilities, equipment leases, etc.) are a lower percentage, which can preserve the gross profit margin, as a percentage, higher labor cost percentage not withstanding. Or perhaps they lose a percentage point or two in gross profit (pre tax) but it's of a larger number (higher gross sales), making it possible to still have more penny profit.

This is very basic, but gives you an idea of the dynamic of a system that's relational and not a flat-cost calculation.
 
BretJ said:
Perhaps the 30% does not like living on the liberal "plantation". Maybe they choose to believe that they do not have to accept being told they are not capable of succeeding on their own merit but need governmental assistance to do so. Just a thought.
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If a minority claims that to be their motivation, then you might be right. Meanwhile, 70% for Dems is enough; it gives us a lock on the White House.
 
Sisyphus said:
If a minority claims that to be their motivation, then you might be right. Meanwhile, 70% for Dems is enough; it gives us a lock on the White House.
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All the more reason to keep them on the plantation eh? Pretty shrewed and has been a good tactic for the dems for a long time...hopefully, the 70% will not start to wonder why the other 30% are doing better than they are.
 
BretJ said:
All the more reason to keep them on the plantation eh? Pretty shrewed and has been a good tactic for the dems for a long time...hopefully, the 70% will not start to wonder why the other 30% are doing better than they are.
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Think whatever you wish. But as long as the GOP is (they are) or are perceived as (they are) the party of Angry Whites, they lose presidential elections, and stand little chance of a senate majority, and at best can gerrymander enough loopy-right districts to maybe hang onto the lower chamber, thinly, for now, since the demographics are not only death for the GOP, but worsening each and every day if you look at fertility rates by ethnicity.

And if supporting causes that Del a Raza, NAACP, etc think are important, how is that Dems keeping them captive on a plantation? (tip: absurd) We keep them captive by being sensitive to their wants, as does the Tea Party when keeping captive the abject morons who attend those meetings.
 
Sisyphus said:
Think whatever you wish. But as long as the GOP is (they are) or are perceived as (they are) the party of Angry Whites, they lose presidential elections, and stand little chance of a senate majority, and at best can gerrymander enough loopy-right districts to maybe hang onto the lower chamber, thinly, for now, since the demographics are not only death for the GOP, but worsening each and every day if you look at fertility rates by ethnicity.

And if supporting causes that Del a Raza, NAACP, etc think are important, how is that Dems keeping them captive on a plantation? (tip: absurd) We keep them captive by being sensitive to their wants, as does the Tea Party when keeping captive the abject morons who attend those meetings.
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Vice sensitive to their needs. Paint much? (tip:perhaps you should consider using a smaller brush...)
 
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BretJ said:
Vice sensitive to their needs. Paint much? Perhaps you should consider using a smaller brush...
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It's what they want. (fact) What they need is anyone's call (subjective.)

That help?
 
Sisyphus said:
It's what they want. (fact) What they need is anyone's call (subjective.)

That help?
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Does not help minority constituants but certainly helps those that offer the empty promises.
 
BretJ said:
Does not help minority constituants but certainly helps those that offer the empty promises.
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The promises are not empty, and in fact prove the reverse of your thesis (we hold them captive). In truth, the Dem Party is captive of women's and minority issues, and is the GOP captive of Christian Conservatives.

The thing is, the Dems have the winning strategy, from a statistical majority standpoint, proving we support what a majority of the American People want (in democracy we call that "functioning"), and the GOP merely supports what majorities want within gerrymandered boundaries of their own making (in democracies, we call that "non-functioning")
 
Sisyphus said:
No sweat, and much appreciated in stating the obvious was in fact that. A sage approach.

Plus, the query was "what minority issues?" So if even not factual (they are) if minority groups in fact have taken them up as causes (they have) then my answer is still true.

Simply put: Does Del a Raza oppose laws like that in AZ and other anti-immigration effort? Of course.

Does NAACP support and defend Affirmative Action, decry incarceration rates among Blacks, promote food and housing assistance for the poor? Of course.

Hence, there are in fact many minority issues, which the GOP is on the wrong side of reflexively. So the question is, in my mind, not why 70% of minorities voted Dem; it's why did 30% vote Rep????
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And i am surprised that more minorities especially blacks don't vote republican. the democrat war on poverty is a dismal failure. we have just as many in poverty as we did when it was started only difference the programs have decimated the black family by encouraging black women to have as many children out of wedlock as they can for the hand out. more then 70% of black children are born with no father figure. all the war on poverty has done is replaced the southern plantation with the democrat plantation by forcing blacks to to be dependent on the government all for their vote

 
trfjr said:
And i am surprised that more minorities especially blacks don't vote republican. the democrat war on poverty is a dismal failure. we have just as many in poverty as we did when it was started only difference the programs have decimated the black family by encouraging black women to have as many children out of wedlock as they can for the hand out. more then 70% of black children are born with no father figure. all the war on poverty has done is replaced the southern plantation with the democrat plantation by forcing blacks to to be dependent on the government all for their vote

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Ask them when standing in line to vote, and I'm sure they'll gladly give you an ear full.
 
trfjr said:
And i am surprised that more minorities especially blacks don't vote republican. the democrat war on poverty is a dismal failure. we have just as many in poverty as we did when it was started only difference the programs have decimated the black family by encouraging black women to have as many children out of wedlock as they can for the hand out. more then 70% of black children are born with no father figure. all the war on poverty has done is replaced the southern plantation with the democrat plantation by forcing blacks to to be dependent on the government all for their vote

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I don't think Sisyphus would accept a view counter to his own from a minority. Anyone who is not a democrat must be the enemy and their views are not worthy of notice...
 
trfjr said:
And i am surprised that more minorities especially blacks don't vote republican. the democrat war on poverty is a dismal failure. we have just as many in poverty as we did when it was started only difference the programs have decimated the black family by encouraging black women to have as many children out of wedlock as they can for the hand out. more then 70% of black children are born with no father figure. all the war on poverty has done is replaced the southern plantation with the democrat plantation by forcing blacks to to be dependent on the government all for their vote

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Meanwhile, nice vid. I hope many get a chance to watch it.

Meanwhile we have this man, who also says stuff on videos. Perhaps some might hear / watch what he has to say ...

 
Sisyphus said:
Ask them when standing in line to vote, and I'm sure they'll gladly give you an ear full.
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I am sure many of the people represented in the video above would love to talk to you as well...
Shame that many cannot see that solutions can only be found in taking an approach that embraces the best of both partys versus the typical us against them. You seem to be an us against them. May I suggest that is being part of the problem.
 
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Sisyphus said:
The promises are not empty, and in fact prove the reverse of your thesis (we hold them captive). In truth, the Dem Party is captive of women's and minority issues, and is the GOP captive of Christian Conservatives.

The thing is, the Dems have the winning strategy, from a statistical majority standpoint, proving we support what a majority of the American People want (in democracy we call that "functioning"), and the GOP merely supports what majorities want within gerrymandered boundaries of their own making (in democracies, we call that "non-functioning")
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you came to and stay in power by getting people hooked and dependent on government like a pusher does with his drugs and then vilify anyone who says that these programs don't help they enslave
You create a bogey man that doesn't exist. then say if you don't keep us in power there will be no one to protect you from that bogey man. now here is some more government money give us your vote
 
trfjr said:
you came to and stay in power by getting people hooked and dependent on government like a pusher does with his drugs and then vilify anyone who says that these programs don't help they enslave
You create a bogey man that doesn't exist. then say if you don't keep us in power there will be no one to protect you from that bogey man. now here is some more government money give us your vote
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Do that math. Votes for Obama - People on Public Assistance. Let me know what you come up with, since you postulate that we (Dems) buy votes with handouts.

Separate what you know from what you think, if you will.
 
BretJ said:
I am sure many of the people represented in the video above would love to talk to you as well...
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Be happy to; and I have. I dated for a time a Ghanan woman, first child of a chief (8-figure wealth, inherited by her) who copped a bit of attitude about Afro-Americans (children of slaves her antecedents sold to white slavers). And I not only scolded her for her bigotry but also schooled her on actual issues minorities face in America, which her birthright and elite class African accent insulated her from. And thus, it was a short-lived relationship. Slightly over a year.
 
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