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Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

trfjr said:
extreme case? the chart shows what you can receive as a single mother no other qualifications required, if they don't take advantage of all the benefits that is provided whose fault is that
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The American Enterprise Institute is a right wing think tank. Show me the data they used to create the chart.
 
captainawesome said:
Community college isn't free. Not everyone gets grants.
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Yeah you're right - those who can AFFORD to go to college don't get grants but those who cant afford college certainly do get grants..

I couldn't afford to go to college, I got grants. When I finished my associates I transferred to University of Illinois, only THEN did I have to pay my tuition (student loans)...

The real problem is that most of these people who work these minimum wage jobs are uneducated and couldn't even get into college....
 
Captain Adverse said:
WTF!!!?? A Libertarian-RIGHT suggesting welfare is the answer? :shock: LMFAO.

I don't agree with "welfare." I WANT people to work! Offer a decent wage and I have no arguments with you.
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did i say i agreed with welfare? just pointing out the false argument that you cant live off of Walmart pay but then ignore the fact of all the government benefits you can get with your Walmart pay
 
captainawesome said:
Conservatives do that too. Paula Dean comes to mind. Its everyone else's fault but hers.
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She did take responsibility - not only that but she didn't say anything wrong....

Besides, there was nothing there to even take responsibility for IMO.

If I was her I wouldn't be sorry......It's not her fault progressives are intolerant.
 
Mr.Nick said:
That's what you get when the government assaults businesses with epic taxes and regulations...

Business are in business to make money and every time our government goes into attack mode with their taxes they may as well be taxing people out of a job -- not to mention dropping salaries....
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Look. I am with you to a certain extent. I am not a big fan of welfare, nor of massive regulation and government oversight. But I am also a student of American history, and have studied the abuses of business that led to public demands for those government responses.

Maybe that's why I am "left-leaning Libertarian" because I can see all the empirical evidence showing that "Whats good for business is NOT always good for the nation." All I am asking for on the part of American corporations is a little enlightened self-interest. All I see is companies like Wal-mart who will do anything to increase profits at the expense of their employees. Labor is a commodity, yes. But using and abusing it like Russian Tzars? I don't think so.
 
Kushinator said:
The American Enterprise Institute is a right wing think tank. Show me the data they used to create the chart.
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that chart is created and provided by Gary Alexander secretary of public welfare Pennsylvania
It has the official Pennsylvania department of public welfare letter head it is an official government chart
 
Captain Adverse said:
Look. I am with you to a certain extent. I am not a big fan of welfare, nor of massive regulation and government oversight. But I am also a student of American history, and have studied the abuses of business that led to public demands for those government responses.

Maybe that's why I am "left-leaning Libertarian" because I can see all the empirical evidence showing that "Whats good for business is NOT always good for the nation." All I am asking for on the part of American corporations is a little enlightened self-interest. All I see is companies like Wal-mart who will do anything to increase profits at the expense of their employees. Labor is a commodity, yes. But using and abusing it like Russian Tzars? I don't think so.
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I'm a student of history as well, however - you and I both know the problem with businesses were communal monopolies.

It's impossible for that to happen in present times given competition and how far as a society we have come. Long gone are the times when there was only one business in a community and everyone was forced to work and buy from that business.
 
Mr.Nick said:
She did take responsibility - not only that but she didn't say anything wrong....

Besides, there was nothing there to even take responsibility for IMO.

If I was her I wouldn't be sorry......It's not her fault progressives are intolerant.
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Exactly its others intolerance that is the problem not her and her brother harassing people.
 
trfjr said:
that chart is written and provided by Gary Alexander secretary of public welfare Pennsylvania
It has the official Pennsylvania department of public welfare letter head it is an official government chart
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Of course! Where is the data?
 
trfjr said:
did i say i agreed with welfare? just pointing out the false argument that you cant live off of Walmart pay but then ignore the fact of all the government benefits you can get with your Walmart pay
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Dude, you can't see how throwing up "welfare state" benefits runs completely contrary to the point? Throwing that argument up is saying that it's okay to be paid crap, you got welfare to fall back on.

That's exactly Wal-Mart's thinking. Why they cut hours for "full-timers," and are increasing both part-time and temporary workers. To pay less, and require the government to cover the rest in the form of food stamps, medicaid, and other "supplemental income." So you are advocating business create work-arounds so their employees can suck off the welfare system!?!? :shock::shock:

Crazy!!! What could you possibly be thinking???
 
Kushinator said:
Of course! Where is the data?
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give Gary Alexander secretary of public welfare Pennsylvania a call and ask him. he is the one who provided the information but i guess you think he just made it all up.
 
trfjr said:
that chart is created and provided by Gary Alexander secretary of public welfare Pennsylvania
It has the official Pennsylvania department of public welfare letter head it is an official government chart
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Ah, that settles it.
 
captainawesome said:
Exactly its others intolerance that is the problem not her and her brother harassing people.
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Harassing people? LOL

It's your fault you think she's racist - not hers.

She has the right to say whatever she wants - what she says doesn't affect you.

It's not her fault you and other progressives alike just cant ignore free speech.

Why do you have to use Dean as an example anyways - especially when there are real racists out there like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson - not to mention the nuts like the New Black Panthers who go around talking about killing white babies....

Oh yeah I forgot - in progressiveland only whites can be racist...
 
Mr.Nick said:
I'm a student of history as well, however - you and I both know the problem with businesses were communal monopolies.

It's impossible for that to happen in present times given competition and how far as a society we have come. Long gone are the times when there was only one business in a community and everyone was forced to work and buy from that business.
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I'm not sure I can buy into that. Corporations are so diversified that most have their (often shared) fingers in just about every important economic pie there is. They also control enough wealth that they can stifle if not buy-out smaller attempts at competition. There's not really as much competition as people think, at least in my opinion, and this grows less and less as Corporations merge where they can, and form economic alliances where they can't.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Sorry, mommy and daddy work at wal-mart. I can't even afford community college....oh...no problem...let ME go work at Wal-mart part-time with mommy and daddy. Maybe al together we can afford a place to stay, feed each other, pay our taxes...and get me into college. :)

I'm not arguing that people need a free ride, or they don't need to work hard to make a living. Just povide jobs that ALLOW them to make a living.
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Thats a ridiculously absurd request.

Who are you giving the power to, to arbitrate what a "working wage " is ?

The Government ?

And who's then responsible when those mandates cause lay-offs, higher cost for consumers and higher unemployment ?
 
Mr.Nick said:
Harassing people? LOL

It's your fault you think she's racist - not hers.

She has the right to say whatever she wants - what she says doesn't affect you.

It's not her fault you and other progressives alike just cant ignore free speech.

Why do you have to use Dean as an example anyways - especially when there are real racists out there like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson - not to mention the nuts like the New Black Panthers who go around talking about killing white babies....

Oh yeah I forgot - in progressiveland only whites can be racist...
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She can't just say anything to her employees. That's the point. She is being held responsible for her actions. She did not stop her brother from creating a hostel work environment. She is the owner she is responsible.
 
trfjr said:
she voted for Obama
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That's what I thought.

It's funny and sad to watch liberals scream for Dean's head for saying the N word 25 years ago when some of their biggest Democrat heroes were KKK members not much longer ago than that...
 
captainawesome said:
She can't just say anything to her employees. That's the point. She is being held responsible for her actions. She did not stop her brother from creating a hostel work environment. She is the owner she is responsible.
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You ever use the word allegedly?

Oh yeah, I forgot when a white person is accused of a crime against a minority they're automatically guilty in the progressive public's eye.
 
captainawesome said:
She can't just say anything to her employees. That's the point. She is being held responsible for her actions. She did not stop her brother from creating a hostel work environment. She is the owner she is responsible.
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What, precisely, is the work environment supposed to be like in a hostel?
 
Mr.Nick said:
You ever use the word allegedly?

Oh yeah, I forgot when a white person is accused of a crime against a minority they're automatically guilty in the progressive public's eye.
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She isn't accused of a crime.

She is being sued for a hostile work environment.
 
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