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Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

Gardener said:
Walmart has a net negative effect on employment rather than net positive.


All the jobs that were once provided by small business are simply transfered to Walmart, except there are fewer of them. Where there were once paint stores and nurseries and hardware stores and pet supply stores, there is now just Walmart.

Sure, people who do not think at all try to champion Walmart as some sort of job creator, but that is only because they are incapable of even the most rudimentary logic. Retail is retail, and if people do not purchase something from one place, they will purchase it from another. In all cases work is requited to conduct these transactions, so the real determinant for employment is the efficiency with which these transactions are conducted. Walmart is more efficient than small, independant retailers, so fewer jobs are therefore created when Walmart moves into a new location.

We aren't even talking about a zero sum gain when talking about walmart. We are talking about a net loss.
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Well, you see, it seems the vote is going against your opinion.

If people didn't like Walmart, they wouldn't work for them, and they certainly wouldn't shop there.

Seems to me, the ultimate choice lay in the hands of the consumer. That is unless you want to take away that right as well.
 
ocean515 said:
So progressives want to also decide what constitutes a moral purpose?
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The people decide through their elected officials and community groups and as individuals.

A business license has traditionally required a company be an ethical member of the community.
 
People putting "living wage" in scare quotes are frightening people. Again I ask: what is the alternative to a living wage?
 
Deuce said:
People putting "living wage" in scare quotes are frightening people. Again I ask: what is the alternative to a living wage?
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Well low wages lax regulation has led Mexico to great things.
 
captainawesome said:
Well low wages lax regulation has led Mexico to great things.
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Good morning, captainawesome. :2wave:

:agree: Whatever is the problem with those fleeing Mexico for the United States? Don't they realize how good they have it in Mexico? :shock:
 
MaggieD said:
That's so they'll have enough left over to pay their union dues.
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WTF are you talking about? Unions has nothing to do with this as there are no unions in US Walmarts. In fact, Walmart is incredibly anti-union and treats their workers like crap.

Walmart's Unions : Columbia Journalism Review

Walmart firings linked to anti-union intimidation campaign | The Raw Story

Group accuses Wal-Mart of illegal anti-union tactics | Reuters

US: Wal-Mart Denies Workers Basic Rights | Human Rights Watch
 
Mr. Invisible said:
WTF are you talking about? Unions has nothing to do with this as there are no unions in US Walmarts. In fact, Walmart is incredibly anti-union and treats their workers like crap.

Walmart's Unions : Columbia Journalism Review

Walmart firings linked to anti-union intimidation campaign | The Raw Story

Group accuses Wal-Mart of illegal anti-union tactics | Reuters

US: Wal-Mart Denies Workers Basic Rights | Human Rights Watch
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Union forces are doing everything in their power to unionize WalMart employees. You don't know that??
 
ocean515 said:
Better to be unemployed and self rightous, than employed and contributing.

Somehow, that just plays so well into the liberal/progressive pot of stew.
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Walmart mostly only hires part time workers and pays their workers **** wages. They won't make enough to pay federal taxes and will still be on welfare and public housing. The only thing these workers will be contributing money to is thrift stores and stores that offer lay-away programs. The idea that these walmarts would benefit workers is totally absurd. The people who buy stuff from Walmart might benefit(assuming that stuff they buy doesn't break down), the tax payers in that town might benefit assuming the costs of welfare,food stamps and public housing those workers use does not exceed the sales taxes collected from walmart, the outsourced factors in china benifit and the owners of Walmart benefit.
 
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Wiseone said:
Wal-Mart certainly could afford to pay 12.50 an hour at a few stores, no doubt about it. But you can't as a law maker say we need to make sure workers have a living wage and then base what you determine that living wage to be based on where they are employed. Why does a Wal-Mart worker who stocks shelves need 12.50 an hour to live but his neighbor the city worker only needs 8.50?

Obviously its just an attempt to stick it to Wal-Mart, but its so transparent that they may as well drop the argument that its about a living wage because it just makes them look stupid for trying to pass off such an obviously stupid argument.
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If that is the logic, I don't think it's about sticking it to Wal-Mart, I think it's protecting small businesses who couldn't afford to pay employees $12.50 an hour while those larger businesses who can afford to pay better wages do so for the betterment of their employees.
ttwtt78640 said:
The "logic" behind this bill is an attempt to keep the "small" business owners happy by making it harder for larger stores to undercut their prices.
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That's also possible. Which means it doesn't have anything to do with the work the employee does.
 
MaggieD said:
Union forces are doing everything in their power to unionize WalMart employees. You don't know that??
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Yes, but the fact remains that there are absolutely no unions in US Walmarts. You stated that this wage increase argument was so that workers "have enough left over to pay their union dues." How is that possible when there are no unions in Walmart?
 
captainawesome said:
The people decide through their elected officials and community groups and as individuals.

A business license has traditionally required a company be an ethical member of the community.
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True. It's an interesting area of testing progressives want to administer.
 
MaggieD said:
Then the union should have absolutely no trouble organizing them.
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There is always trouble when going against an organization with hundreds of billions of cash to fight.
 
captainawesome said:
The people decide through their elected officials and community groups and as individuals.

A business license has traditionally required a company be an ethical member of the community.
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so an abortion clinic is ethical but Walmart isn't? what would you think would happen if a licensing board decided not to let an abortion clinic in their community because of reasons of ethics?
 
Oftencold said:
For people who can't figure this out for themselves, pointing it out won't help. One's efforts are better spent keeping them away from sharp objects and preventing them from eating paint.
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Any improvement in the economy is happening in spite of the idiot in the WH, as far as I'm concerned. The Left wants to think that their meddling policies are the saving grace of the universe, and that people sit in their offices just waiting for them to pass the next wonderful law that will make unicorns and rainbows suddenly appear. They think a 1% GDP increase every years is making **** happen, well I'm here to tell you that China is doing better than 3%, so the Left needs to come out of fantasyland. They gloat over 195,000 jobs "supposedly added" in a month, but with a population our size, it's a joke. And what KIND of jobs they don't say, as long as they're jobs right?
 
trfjr said:
so an abortion clinic is ethical but Walmart isn't? what would you think would happen if a licensing board decided not to let an abortion clinic in there community because of reasons of ethics?
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Abortion clinics pay more than minimum wage.
 
MaggieD said:
Or when trying to unionize employees that couldn't care less.
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That's true too.

I bet they would want a way to not be forced to work off the clock.

Walmart spends much cash bribing and threatening to maintain their unethical business.
 
jamesrage said:
Walmart mostly only hires part time workers and pays their workers **** wages. They won't make enough to pay federal taxes and will still be on welfare and public housing. The only thing these workers will be contributing money to is thrift stores and stores that offer lay-away programs. The idea that these walmarts would benefit workers is totally absurd. The people who buy stuff from Walmart might benefit(assuming that stuff they buy doesn't break down), the tax payers in that town might benefit assuming the costs of welfare,food stamps and public housing those workers use does not exceed the sales taxes collected from walmart, the outsourced factors in china benifit and the owners of Walmart benefit.
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It's good to hate employers. I understand why some would think that.

As I wrote, it seems some have bought into the idea that it's better to be unemployed and self rightous, than employed and a contributor.

Most understand how the former is far more destructive than the latter.
 
ocean515 said:
It's good to hate employers. I understand why some would think that.

As I wrote, it seems some have bought into the idea that it's better to be unemployed and self rightous, than employed and a contributor.

Most understand how the former is far more destructive than the latter.
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No it is good to have community standards and not allow a bully corparate entity to exploit the community.
 
pbrauer said:
What great way to kept them out of your town, just increase the minimum wage.


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Walmart says it will cancel its plans to build three new stores in D.C. if local lawmakers approve a bill that would force the retailer to pay its employees at least $12.50 an hour.

Alex Barron, a regional general manager for Walmart U.S., writes in an op-ed published in the Washington Post Tuesday that the company feels the D.C. Council's proposed "living wage" legislation “would clearly inject unforeseen costs into the equation that will create an uneven playing field and challenge the fiscal health of our planned D.C. stores.”


Walmart currently has three other new stores under construction in the area, and Barron says those stores will also be jeopardized if the bill passes.




Read more: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes | Fox News
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Increasing minimum wage to $12.50/hr is a good way to kill business in general...
 
jamesrage said:
Walmart mostly only hires part time workers and pays their workers **** wages. They won't make enough to pay federal taxes and will still be on welfare and public housing. The only thing these workers will be contributing money to is thrift stores and stores that offer lay-away programs. The idea that these walmarts would benefit workers is totally absurd. The people who buy stuff from Walmart might benefit(assuming that stuff they buy doesn't break down), the tax payers in that town might benefit assuming the costs of welfare,food stamps and public housing those workers use does not exceed the sales taxes collected from walmart, the outsourced factors in china benifit and the owners of Walmart benefit.
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wouldn't they get less assistants if they had work even if it is low wage part time work? and wouldnt that save the tax payer money?

you liberals complain about food deserts that low income families do not have access to healthy food and fresh produce at a low price and isn't that one of the products that Walmart provides

its you liberals that create those food deserts by not allowing companies into the areas to eliminate the problem
 
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