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Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

Occam's Razor said:
In terms of a living wage or a poverty wage, yes... it does.

Hours worked...

Hours.. time... life. All life is precious. Time is precious.. the most precious. If one is willing to give of their lives over to the direction and control of another, that person should be paid a "living" wage..

Work.. body... energy... food... health... Unlike time which we are given an unknown quantity of, we must invest in food, health and body to produce work. We should not be paid less than it takes to keep the human machine in good condition.
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No, you are given the opportunity to earn a living not a guarantee of finding it without personal effort...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
No, you are given the opportunity to earn a living not a guarantee of finding it without personal effort...
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No kidding!

The opportunity is the interview. Once you have the job and do the work, invest part of you time of life and wear and tear on your body, you should NOT be waiting for an opportunity. Who works with no effort? Did you just grab a random FOX talking point to up your post count... or did you not follow what was being said?
 
Occam's Razor said:
No kidding!

The opportunity is the interview. Once you have the job and do the work, invest part of you time of life and wear and tear on your body, you should NOT be waiting for an opportunity. Who works with no effort? Did you just grab a random FOX talking point to up your post count... or did you not follow what was being said?
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Did you just make an irrelevant post? Yes. Do you believe an individual should be given anything in life without putting forth an effort?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Did you just make an irrelevant post? Yes. Do you believe an individual should be given anything in life without putting forth an effort?
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Work is not effort? Earth to Paul... come in Paul.... Work is the definition of effort and vice versa
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Yes, work is effort. Was there a part you didn't understand?
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Look, you responded to my post about how HOURS WORKED (EFFORT) should equate to a LIVING WAGE

And then you come in blathering on about opportunity and something for no effort... THAT was off topic.
 
Occam's Razor said:
Look, you responded to my post about how HOURS WORKED (EFFORT) should equate to a LIVING WAGE

And then you come in blathering on about opportunity and something for no effort... THAT was off topic.
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No, you blathered about a living wage, and my response was that if one wants a living wage, get off your ass and earn one...
 
Sisyphus said:
It would just make the stuff we buy more expensive, and reduce unit-consumption (say buh bye to 1000s or 1,000,000s of jobs)

We have state level income tax now, due to having to have some redundancies to get all 13 colonies on board. So adding a value-added tax would simply shift more burden of taxation onto consumers, and not make us more competitive in the world, which is over-rated and over-stated (Globalism is about only 18% of our economy).

Canada can get away with PST/GST since they have a smaller population, and it pays for lots of stuff we have to purchase separately, down in these parts. But even then, Canada would do better to rely more on progressive taxation, and not taxing consumption, which is regressive.
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I use to be against a VAT tax until I was swayed by some relatively hard to escape points when talking about health care and the cost and the benefits it brings. I've come to the realization some things are much more important than others and it is about priorities and money goes round no matter what choices being made but standard of living is the bottom line for me. I would demand it goes toward health care though otherwise it will just be more money for government to waste. Besides, cheap stuff from China is well cheap stuff from China;)

Paul Krugman also has some good points made here:

All of which says that if I can trade a somewhat regressive VAT for guarantees of decent retirement and universal health care, I’ll take it. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/why-im-soft-on-sales-taxes/
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
How about a VAT tax like other countries? It would make us more competitive on the global market.
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Is there no mistake occurring in another country that you oppose? No more taxes. We are taxed too much already. Cut the tax rates and make more people pay it.
 
Misterveritis said:
Is there no mistake occurring in another country that you oppose? No more taxes. We are taxed too much already. Cut the tax rates and make more people pay it.
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You really need to know what a VAT tax is before you agree or disagree. Get back to me if you have some points to make. TIA
 
Occam's Razor said:
Sorry, I don't live in a vague and morally relative world. Comparisons don't do it for me... you are judged on your deeds and their merits. So once you remove the "adjusted for inflationary ideology", what you're left with is that Bush was in fact, by all definitions of POLITICAL SCIENCE... far-right... Obama is also far right in deeds, but not in rhetoric. The theater of rhetoric is all the matter to the masses though... keep you all spinning your wheels on emo class, wealth, moral and social issues, while foreign policy stays the same, secrecy stays the same or worse, defense-same, domestic spying-same or worse, in bed with wall street-same, revolving door in the lobbist lobby-same, and so on.

You all just keep feeding off the idea that your fellow countrymen are your enemy and that there is more than one party...
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What makes him "far-right', Bush that is?
 
mac said:
What makes him "far-right', Bush that is?
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For starters, you're known by the company you keep. If every single person in your administration is a dyed in the wool neo-con... guess what... You aren't a moderate.
 
Occam's Razor said:
For starters, you're known by the company you keep. If every single person in your administration is a dyed in the wool neo-con... guess what... You aren't a moderate.
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Kinda like being associated with domestic terrorists and communists doesn't?
 
Occam's Razor said:
For starters, you're known by the company you keep. If every single person in your administration is a dyed in the wool neo-con... guess what... You aren't a moderate.
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Every single one? Really?

Neoconservatism is an intellectual movement born in the 1960s inside the monthly review Commentary. Commentary is the journal of the American Jewish Committee, which replaced the Contemporary Jewish Record in 1945.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] On the "theoretical" side of neoconservatism, most influential neoconservatives such as Norman Podhoretz and his son John, Irving Kristol and his son William, Donald Kagan, Paul Wolfowitz, and Abram Schulsky, refer explicitly to the ideas in the philosophy of Leo Strauss.[SUP][3][/SUP] They often describe themselves as "Straussians."

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism‎:peace
 
mac said:
Kinda like being associated with domestic terrorists and communists doesn't?
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What does that have to do with your mistaken opinion that Bush is moderate? As I've said before, comparisons are lame. So are deflections.

When you can show me that these domestic terrorists and communists have worked closely together for forty years and produced a manifesto with a unified voice as the neo-cons did, I'll concede the point. If you can't, it's like comparing a championship sports team to a gus macker team.

But I see that you are lost in the theater of it all and cant wrap your head around the fact that there is only one party... and you ain't invited.
 
Occam's Razor said:
What does that have to do with your mistaken opinion that Bush is moderate? As I've said before, comparisons are lame. So are deflections.
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All you've done is deflect so far.

When you can show me that these domestic terrorists and communists have worked closely together for forty years and produced a manifesto with a unified voice as the neo-cons did, I'll concede the point. If you can't, it's like comparing a championship sports team to a gus macker team.
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And you can show that Bush was part of that?

But I see that you are lost in the theater of it all and cant wrap your head around the fact that there is only one party... and you ain't invited.
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No, I'd actually like to see some of your reasoning....something that has been lacking so far.
 
Jack Hays said:
Every single one? Really?

Neoconservatism is an intellectual movement born in the 1960s inside the monthly review Commentary. Commentary is the journal of the American Jewish Committee, which replaced the Contemporary Jewish Record in 1945.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] On the "theoretical" side of neoconservatism, most influential neoconservatives such as Norman Podhoretz and his son John, Irving Kristol and his son William, Donald Kagan, Paul Wolfowitz, and Abram Schulsky, refer explicitly to the ideas in the philosophy of Leo Strauss.[SUP][3][/SUP] They often describe themselves as "Straussians."

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism‎:peace
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Your list was "most influential" and Straussians. Leaves a lot of room. Left out Ledeen, Rice, Ashcroft, Abrams, Fukuyama, Perle, Libby, Cheney, Rumsfeld and on and on and on.

There is NOTHING you OR wiki can teach me about who the neo-cons are, or what they're about.
 
mac said:
All you've done is deflect so far.



And you can show that Bush was part of that?
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Deflection? We're talking Bush and you reply with Obama soundbytes.

I'd say following the neo-con manifesto to the letter is being part of it... yes.
 
Occam's Razor said:
Your list was "most influential" and Straussians. Leaves a lot of room. Left out Ledeen, Rice, Ashcroft, Abrams, Fukuyama, Perle, Libby, Cheney, Rumsfeld and on and on and on.

There is NOTHING you OR wiki can teach me about who the neo-cons are, or what they're about.
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I doubt that. The neocons are a particular subset that does not include some whom you have listed.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
I doubt that. The neocons are a particular subset that does not include some whom you have listed.:peace
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Everyone I listed was a signatory of their manifesto. Sorry... you are ill informed.

Doesn't matter for this discussion. This is about walmart and wages... not your silly notion that Bush was a moderate.

Keep posting off topic... please.

Want to start a thread on YOUR topic.. go for it.
 
Occam's Razor said:
Everyone I listed was a signatory of their manifesto. Sorry... you are ill informed.

Doesn't matter for this discussion. This is about walmart and wages... not your silly notion that Bush was a moderate.

Keep posting off topic... please.

Want to start a thread on YOUR topic.. go for it.
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I merely questioned your obviously erroneous post.:peace
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
You really need to know what a VAT tax is before you agree or disagree. Get back to me if you have some points to make. TIA
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Try not to be stupid.

On the other hand, if it's what you intend be my guest. A VAT is just one more hidden tax. Be a man! Rob from me face to face.
 
Misterveritis said:
Try not to be stupid.

On the other hand, if it's what you intend be my guest. A VAT is just one more hidden tax. Be a man! Rob from me face to face.
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So, you prefer to use an ad hominem instead of addressing my question? No worries, I didn't take you serious anyway.
 
Sisyphus said:
No, but then it does not, and in fact does the opposite. It creates more jobs, albeit different ones. For example, we cannot compete well for unskilled manufacturing, not at $7.25 / hr nor $1 / hr. Countries with large peasant workforces are going to get that work. No getting away from it. But some cannot be outsourced, no matter how much a retailer would love it if goods could be rung up or stocked onto shelves, by cheap foreign labor, remotely. But they cannot; they have to hire locally. So the services sector is going nuts creating the bulk of new jobs, in our workforce, which has more workers today than at any time in history. But the wages are shrinking, so less is purchased in retail, reducing the need for other workers to be added. If we take the $7.25 and make it $12, then lots (millions) of jobs will be created. If we take it to $1 / hr, not only will we not compete for manufacturing, but the need for workers in retail, who cannot be outsource, will be reduced by millions.

Realizing a falsehood, as you urge, is merely embracing a delusion and not actually realizing anything.
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When you have to pay more per person, companies hire fewer people.

When ObamaKare forces costs upon employers, they reduce their hours or let them go.

Try running a company some day.

Nice try... but try again.
 
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