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2001-2010 was the warmest decade since records began

Samhain said:
Given that the mantra to discredit researchers is to "follow the money", presumably back to big oil, you should prepare a better rebuttal in the future.
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What are you saying? That we can't trust anyone about anything because everyone works for money one way or another???
 
Verax said:
What are you saying? That we can't trust anyone about anything because everyone works for money one way or another???
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You can't in one breathe say that you can't trust X because they are paid shills, then attempt to deflect when someone says the same about your sources. Either acknowledge that yes, people can be paid shills, regardless if they agree with you, or come up with with a better rebuttal than "nuh-uh, only you do that!".

That being said, why should we trust someone that says "AGW is real, and if you give me more money, I will keep researching it"?
 
Samhain said:
See what I mean. You attempt to discredit the source by stating that they are paid for, yet you use the exact opposite logic when defending your source. Hilarious stuff man.
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This is why conservatives aren't scientists and do not possess the right mind for this kind of work. You're not able to differentiate between junk science and real science. You cannot differentiate between an oil company funding a "study" to promote views that are favorable to the individual company with centuries of scientific work brought together from nations across the globe by scientists of all different walks of life with a passion for discovery and knowledge.

You chalk all this up to the simple formula that funding poisons the scientific process from start to finish in every situation so we can't trust anything they do. If you knew anything about real science you would realize how petty and ridiculous this is.
 
trfjr said:
that so called survey was done over 10 years ago and some of those same climatologists said Florida would be underwater by now
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Well, if you dont like that one, there is another done a couple years ago showing virtually all climate papers that discussed climate change agreed it was humans causing it, and virtually no papers argued that climate change was not caused by increasing CO2. Or how about another study a few years before that showed the same thing?

Or maybe you could look at all the organizations that have confirmed CAGW is a real issue and a signficant problem (AAAS, the Royal Society, etc) and how NO MAJOR SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD says they think global warming is NOT caused by humans?

Is that enough for you?
 
Samhain said:
You can't in one breathe say that you can't trust X because they are paid shills, then attempt to deflect when someone says the same about your sources. Either acknowledge that yes, people can be paid shills, regardless if they agree with you, or come up with with a better rebuttal than "nuh-uh, only you do that!".

That being said, why should we trust someone that says "AGW is real, and if you give me more money, I will keep researching it"?
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Show me the REAL SCIENCE behind this junk. Show me links of REAL EXPERIMENTS, peer reviewed, repeatable experiments that are documented. Show me something other than anonymous right-wing bull**** that is nothing more than characters in a HTML document sitting on a disinformation server. This **** has no backing, it has nothing, because it is nothing.

Do you know the difference between just talk, just words, just bull**** and real science? Show me these right-wing universities where they document all this crap they spew and show how it works?
 
Homer. said:
A new study by the WMO (World Meteorological Organisation) shows the planet "experienced unprecedented high-impact climate extremes" in the ten years from 2001 to 2010, the warmest decade since the start of modern measurements in 1850.

Those ten years also continued an extended period of accelerating global warming, with more national temperature records reported broken than in any previous decade. Sea levels rose about twice as fast as the trend in the last century.

Unprecedented climate extremes marked last decade, says UN | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Further evidence, if any more were needed, that climate change is a reality. Sure, the climate change deniers, like all conspiracy theorists, will deny any evidence put before them. Hopefully this new evidence will make some people to see the reality.
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Good, just in time to offset the higher heating costs. cool.
 
Verax said:
LoL "Solyndra money", did you get that from Faux news? Quite the bold claim there, all scientists are just funding whores huh? So I guess we can't trust anything? Turn off your computer, it was built from the work of groveling whores we can't trust.

What is this about high school hazing? LoL.... this is the mentality of you people. Your former glory of strutting around high school thinking you're special? They wouldn't dare anyway, some of intelligent types are far more dangerous than your typical stereotyped skinny weakling with broken glasses. :lol:
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Yep, that pretty much clinches it. Now move along, Mortimer.
 
Verax said:
This is why conservatives aren't scientists and do not possess the right mind for this kind of work. You're not able to differentiate between junk science and real science. You cannot differentiate between an oil company funding a "study" to promote views that are favorable to the individual company with centuries of scientific work brought together from nations across the globe by scientists of all different walks of life with a passion for discovery and knowledge.

You chalk all this up to the simple formula that funding poisons the scientific process from start to finish in every situation so we can't trust anything they do. If you knew anything about real science you would realize how petty and ridiculous this is.
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This is comical. People who state things that agree with you have a "passion for discovery and knowledge", and those that don't are "junk scientists". Classy.
 
Both of your arguments have been reduced to one-liner "yup that's what I thought I'm right". You're not scientists, stop pretending you know what you're talking about and just walk away. Leave the real work to the big kids and just do what we say, you're just getting in the way of our progress with your support of corporations that value their profits over the well being of our environment for future generations.
 
Verax said:
Both of your arguments have been reduced to one-liner "yup that's what I thought I'm right". You're not scientists, stop pretending you know what you're talking about and just walk away. Leave the real work to the big kids and just do what we say, you're just getting in the way of our progress with your support of corporations that value their profits over the well being of our environment for future generations.
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Why should anyone care about future generations? You aren't religious, are you?
 
Verax said:
Show me the REAL SCIENCE behind this junk. Show me links of REAL EXPERIMENTS, peer reviewed, repeatable experiments that are documented. Show me something other than anonymous right-wing bull**** that is nothing more than characters in a HTML document sitting on a disinformation server. This **** has no backing, it has nothing, because it is nothing.

Do you know the difference between just talk, just words, just bull**** and real science? Show me these right-wing universities where they document all this crap they spew and show how it works?
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You mean you want a computer model that when run with the same parameters and rules produces the same response?
 
Samhain said:
Why should anyone care about future generations? You aren't religious, are you?
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And here it is folks. This is why conservatives are such a problem in our society and can't be trusted with anything. They are driven with one rule and that is selfishness, what about me. What benefits me is right and what doesn't is wrong.
 
Homer. said:
A new study by the WMO (World Meteorological Organisation) shows the planet "experienced unprecedented high-impact climate extremes" in the ten years from 2001 to 2010, the warmest decade since the start of modern measurements in 1850.

Those ten years also continued an extended period of accelerating global warming, with more national temperature records reported broken than in any previous decade. Sea levels rose about twice as fast as the trend in the last century.

Unprecedented climate extremes marked last decade, says UN | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Further evidence, if any more were needed, that climate change is a reality. Sure, the climate change deniers, like all conspiracy theorists, will deny any evidence put before them. Hopefully this new evidence will make some people to see the reality.
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The planet is 4.5 billion years old. A decade here, a decade there, ya know how that goes.. :)


Tim-
 
Verax said:
And here it is folks. This is why conservatives are such a problem in our society and can't be trusted with anything. They are driven with one rule and that is selfishness, what about me. What benefits me is right and what doesn't is wrong.
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Why should anyone care about future generations? Do you have an actual opinion? Or do you enjoy having a conversation with yourself?
 
Samhain said:
Why should anyone care about future generations? Do you have an actual opinion? Or do you enjoy having a conversation with yourself?
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For those of us that are not psychopathic jerks it goes without saying that we desire for the human race to succeed, improve, continuously evolve to a greater being. The American Dream has been described as doubling the standard of living every generation. It could be described as Liberal, people who care about others and want to help each other. From an evolutionary standpoint this makes sense as if some are coded to help each other the human race as a whole has a higher chance of survival if we work together and pick each other up when we're down. Contrast this with the conservative who survives by stabbing others in the back for their own benefit thus ensuring security. A mixture of helpers and survivalists makes sense. A spin on the "makers vs takers" argument you guys are so in love with.
 
For those claiming that global warming does not exist, please provide a peer-reviewed scientific paper supporting your beliefs. He who makes the claims bears the burden of proof, and the vast majority of the scientific community understands and accepts that global warming is a reality. Thus, the burden of proof is on you.
 
Morrigi said:
For those claiming that global warming does not exist, please provide a peer-reviewed scientific paper supporting your beliefs. He who makes the claims bears the burden of proof, and the vast majority of the scientific community understands and accepts that global warming is a reality. Thus, the burden of proof is on you.
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I'd be glad to, just as soon as you would provide one based on facts that proves that man is causing global warming. So you see, the burden of proof is on you. BTW, have you been dumb enough to donate money to those making millions off the man made global warming scam or are you in on it too?
 
Fenton said:
Well according to the Liberals, if we give the Government more of our money via carbon taxes, all this apocalyptic gibberish will go away.
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And elect democrats. Electing democrats to redistribute wealth is important for saving the planet from ManBearPig... ahem... I mean "Anthropogenic Global Warming".
 
ItAin'tFree said:
I'd be glad to, just as soon as you would provide one based on facts that proves that man is causing global warming. So you see, the burden of proof is on you. BTW, have you been dumb enough to donate money to those making millions off the man made global warming scam or are you in on it too?
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Lets see.
We have a mechanism that is well known since the 1800s. Basic chemistry and physics.
We have a fairly good idea of the magnitude of warming each increment of CO2 should contribute.
We have a fairly good idea of what warming would look like.
We could predict warming oceans and acidification of oceans, which have increased acidity by 30% so far.
We have models from thirty years ago that predicted what we would see today.
Those models are pretty well spot on - with predictions of the warmest temperatures in the history of mankind proven.
We are seeing the effect on biological systems worldwide.
We have virtually every scientific organization known to man, and 90+ percent of the scientists who study this take it as fact.

We have dozens of scientific journals with thousands of scientific papers that show these facts to be true and proven.

What do you have? A blog? Or as one poster here has - sekrit writings that prove climate scientists are wrong? Or just gut feelings, as another poster has?
 
The facts populate all major encyclopedias, the arguments were mostly over years ago. Unfortunately though Conservatives are allergic to reality when it doesn't fit their ideals.
 
Deuce said:
Cite which particular IPCC assessment that has lead to this opinion. I suspect I know where the misunderstanding is but don't want to put words in your mouth.
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Yes, please do explain it.

Every place the AR4 talks about the 0.12 W/m^2 solar forcing, they call it "direct forcing." I'm sure you read my explanation on this in other threads, so tell me. What am I missing?
 
Homer. said:
Well over 90% of climatologists say ACC is real. Yes, climate change can occur naturally, but the rate of recent climate change is much higher than what has occurred naturally in the past.
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Have you ever considered that the population density increases and satellite coverage makes it almost statistically impossible to miss climate events?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Have you ever considered that the population density increases and satellite coverage makes it almost statistically impossible to miss climate events?
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I currently believe in AGW but that is actually a good point.
 
Threegoofs said:
Lets see.
We have a mechanism that is well known since the 1800s. Basic chemistry and physics.
We have a fairly good idea of the magnitude of warming each increment of CO2 should contribute.
We have a fairly good idea of what warming would look like.
We could predict warming oceans and acidification of oceans, which have increased acidity by 30% so far.
We have models from thirty years ago that predicted what we would see today.
Those models are pretty well spot on - with predictions of the warmest temperatures in the history of mankind proven.
We are seeing the effect on biological systems worldwide.
We have virtually every scientific organization known to man, and 90+ percent of the scientists who study this take it as fact.

We have dozens of scientific journals with thousands of scientific papers that show these facts to be true and proven.

What do you have? A blog? Or as one poster here has - sekrit writings that prove climate scientists are wrong? Or just gut feelings, as another poster has?
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LOL.

Basic chemistry and physics that have proven nothing, man made. The most "proof" that has been offered is a documented lie. And the flat earth society still clings to the lie of man made global warming (just another fact Obama never bothered to check).
Funny on how you missed one of the latest on how CO2 caused things to cool off the last ten years or so.......

What do you have? That's right, nothing but well documented lies that some within a slice of the scientific community have conspired and collaborated with for their own personal agendas. Sorry, retelling the same worn out pack of lies isn't go reverse the trend and make the majority of people become suckers for that snake oil again. Are you in on the scam too?
 
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