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I have no desire to enter into an "argument" with someone who thinks his opinion is the only one that is right, and can't be bothered to open his mind....Good day.

Oh j, so what you really want is to sing to the choir, to be stroked?

Argument is about difference of opinion. I laid my out. You merely said, and I paraphrase, liberals are bad.
 
Oh j, so what you really want is to sing to the choir, to be stroked?

Argument is about difference of opinion. I laid my out. You merely said, and I paraphrase, liberals are bad.

No, I was clear, maybe you should re read it for clarity.
 
Let me clarify something for you.

Making excuses 5 years in after 7 Trillion in new debt, Trillions in new printing, increased poverty and increased dependence is not the same as " thinking".

Actually its quite the opposite as youv'e ignored glaring exapmles of Obama's incompetence time and time again.

Natural disasters ? They happen in every Presidency. The Housing Collapse ? If you weren't so purposely ignorant you would know your President used to go around suing banks in Chicago for " discrimination " and was #3 on the list of Politicians that recieved the highest campaign contributions from the corrupt and Democrat run Fannie Mae.

You would know that the collapse was madated by policies pushed by Clinton and the Democrats and that Obama's actually started those policies back up through FHA.

So your'e the only one not thinking, not us.


What I'd like to know is how liberal/progressives like Boo get away with saying on the one hand that Obama has literally little to no control over what happens in the economy, yet on the other hand, listening to them Bushhhhhhhhhh squandered a surplus (that never really existed) and drove the country to depression....

This duality of opinion driven by political ideology is transparent, and the only way they get away with it is by talking in circles....
 
Let me clarify something for you.

Making excuses 5 years in after 7 Trillion in new debt, Trillions in new printing, increased poverty and increased dependence is not the same as " thinking".

Actually its quite the opposite as youv'e ignored glaring exapmles of Obama's incompetence time and time again.

Natural disasters ? They happen in every Presidency. The Housing Collapse ? If you weren't so purposely ignorant you would know your President used to go around suing banks in Chicago for " discrimination " and was #3 on the list of Politicians that recieved the highest campaign contributions from the corrupt and Democrat run Fannie Mae.

You would know that the collapse was madated by policies pushed by Clinton and the Democrats and that Obama's actually started those policies back up through FHA.

So your'e the only one not thinking, not us.

Debt is another issue. We're talking about the economy. Jobs. These things. No president can control these. No president can create jobs without hiring and spending money. It grows the debt, but it is all a president can do.

The economy responses to a multitude of factors, few of which government has anything to do with. Instead of reading all that was linked and referred to, you limit your response to what you think will most marginalize my argument. This is a poor tactic, mostly because 1) it shows you haven't read it all and 2) doesn't dispute the the effect of other factors.

You then turn to moving the goal posts. We're not talking about the debt, which is a separate issue.

As for the collapse, you also fail to recognize other players. I could present something like this:

Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/b...iht-admin.4.18853088.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

But I actually believe many are responsible. Not just democrats and republicans, but greedy lenders, unrealistic borrowers, and a silly belief that prices would never go down.

But here's some reading for you:

Most of the economists we spoke to agreed that the recession was caused most directly by long-term trends, especially a bust in housing prices and high energy prices, rather than by political factors.

"The Democrats can be blamed for setting the economy on a bubble-driven path in the 1990s, but the Republicans cannot escape blame for continuing this path and allowing an even larger and more dangerous bubble to develop in the first decade of the 21st century," said Dean Baker, an economist with the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research. "Is Rep. Foxx claiming that if we just left the Republicans in control, the housing bubble would still be growing so that we would have an even greater disaster to look forward to at the point when it finally collapsed?"

(snip)

"Anyone who tries to link the ups and downs in business to something happening in D.C. is obligated to explain what it is that happened," Reynolds said. "Otherwise, it's likely random luck. Politicians are not as important as they like to think they are."

We agree. The evidence shows that the economy did not "nose dive" for at least a year after the Democrats took control of Congress, and experts of various ideological backgrounds agree that long-term trends in the housing and energy markets played a bigger role in directly causing the recession. While what happens in Washington can certainly influence the economy, it is only one of many factors. We believe it is the height of partisan wishful thinking to imply that one party's accession to power in Congress is to blame for a major recession. Pants on Fire!

PolitiFact | Foxx blames recession on Democratic Congressional takeover




http://www.uvu.edu/woodbury/jbi/volume8/journals/SummaryofthePrimaryCauseoftheHousingBubble.pdf
 
No, I was clear, maybe you should re read it for clarity.

You meant that either or? But that's a fallacy. There are positions inbetween. So, I explained how it works. Now, you could come back with a rebuttal, if of course you have one.
 
You meant that either or? But that's a fallacy. There are positions inbetween. So, I explained how it works. Now, you could come back with a rebuttal, if of course you have one.

*Sigh* So sad....
 
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Projecting? Still no rebuttal?

Boo, it serves no purpose to rebut you for nothing is ever going to change the mind of an ideologue like you. It really is a shame that so many like you have so much invested in supporting the failed performance of Obama that you have no problem destroying your own credibility. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
 

Fact, China passed a lot in February generating a minimum wage for the country but the reality is all the various governments from the provinces around the country all have set minimum wages for their province. I don't support a minimum wage administered by the Federal, State, or even the provincial governments of any country. I can see some people in this forum where a minimum wage is overpayment. To think that the Chinese Govt. doesn't control the output or the Provincial governments is naïve at best
 
Boo, it serves no purpose to rebut you for nothing is ever going to change the mind of an ideologue like you. It really is a shame that so many like you have so much invested in supporting the failed performance of Obama that you have no problem destroying your own credibility. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?

The same claim can be made about you and others, but the point is, this is about putting forth a reasoned argument and not just saying democrats or republicans suck. I laid out my ideas. Neither of you have rebutted them. What strikes me is under the name of you don't like government, and in the context of how our government works, what really bothers you is that people who you disagree with win arguments and use government to achieve goals you don't like. So, instead of making better arguments, you blame political parties and ignore how it all came to be. And then you make stupid comparisons, calling people socialists and claiming the government is becoming like a communist country.This shows a complete lack of understanding, as in those countries, workers don't have a voice, and there is often a complete lack of safety regulations and good pay. That you don't understand this is distressing.
 
Fact, China passed a lot in February generating a minimum wage for the country but the reality is all the various governments from the provinces around the country all have set minimum wages for their province. I don't support a minimum wage administered by the Federal, State, or even the provincial governments of any country. I can see some people in this forum where a minimum wage is overpayment. To think that the Chinese Govt. doesn't control the output or the Provincial governments is naïve at best

With no input for from workers, which is why many live on less than the equivilent of $200 a month. Do you not see the difference?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_in_China

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=China
 
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The same claim can be made about you and others, but the point is, this is about putting forth a reasoned argument and not just saying democrats or republicans suck. I laid out my ideas. Neither of you have rebutted them. What strikes me is under the name of you don't like government, and in the context of how our government works, what really bothers you is that people who you disagree with win arguments and use government to achieve goals you don't like. So, instead of making better arguments, you blame political parties and ignore how it all came to be. And then you make stupid comparisons, calling people socialists and claiming the government is becoming like a communist country.This shows a complete lack of understanding, as in those countries, workers don't have a voice, and there is often a complete lack of safety regulations and good pay. That you don't understand this is distressing.

Project much? Never have I said I don't like government for without a good govt. there is nothing but chaos. This govt. isn't a good govt. it is too involved in micromanaging personal responsibility issues, it totally ignores states rights, and taxes too much and spends too much vs. its original role. How does anyone expect to fund a 3.77 trillion dollar federal budget and still pay for similar services in their own state?

You don't seem to understand personal responsibilities as well as the role of the federal govt. I am not a member of any political party but I do more associate with the Republican party than the Democrat Party although I grew up a staunch Democrat until the Democrat Party became the entitlement party.

Liberalism has outlived its usefulness and is destroying the economy as the results show. With liberals there is no such thing as personal responsibility or consequences for poor choices. You choose the wrong job and are entitled to unemployment insurance for two years, You live an unhealthy lifestyle and are entitled to healthcare funded by someone else. you invest your own money into a business and then pay the govt. for that right and then do exactly what the govt. demands in terms of pay to your workers and regulations that you adhere to. you are forced to contribute into SS and allow your politicians to spend that SS money on whatever they want and when there is a shortfall you promote just taxing more and rewarding bad behavior. You throw money at every social problem because it makes you feel good even though no social problem has ever been solved by throwing money at it but all are solved by holding people accountable for poor choices.

Yes, Boo, I don't understand you nor will I ever. Don't know how I survived 67 years and 35 in the business world. Rather glad I am not starting over in the world that you and your ilk are creating.
 
With no input for from workers, which is why many live on less than the equivilent of $200 a month. Do you not see the difference?

List of minimum wages in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cost of Living in China. Prices in China.

China controls the production therefore what input should there be from the workers. Wages in China are a reflection of the cost of living in China and the fact that different provinces pay a different wage is totally ignored by you.

Why is it you judge everyone else by your standards. Any idea what $200 a month will buy in China? Of course not because in this country $200 isn't a lot of money.
 
Project much? Never have I said I don't like government for without a good govt. there is nothing but chaos. This govt. isn't a good govt. it is too involved in micromanaging personal responsibility issues, it totally ignores states rights, and taxes too much and spends too much vs. its original role. How does anyone expect to fund a 3.77 trillion dollar federal budget and still pay for similar services in their own state?

You don't seem to understand personal responsibilities as well as the role of the federal govt. I am not a member of any political party but I do more associate with the Republican party than the Democrat Party although I grew up a staunch Democrat until the Democrat Party became the entitlement party.

Liberalism has outlived its usefulness and is destroying the economy as the results show. With liberals there is no such thing as personal responsibility or consequences for poor choices. You choose the wrong job and are entitled to unemployment insurance for two years, You live an unhealthy lifestyle and are entitled to healthcare funded by someone else. you invest your own money into a business and then pay the govt. for that right and then do exactly what the govt. demands in terms of pay to your workers and regulations that you adhere to. you are forced to contribute into SS and allow your politicians to spend that SS money on whatever they want and when there is a shortfall you promote just taxing more and rewarding bad behavior. You throw money at every social problem because it makes you feel good even though no social problem has ever been solved by throwing money at it but all are solved by holding people accountable for poor choices.

Yes, Boo, I don't understand you nor will I ever. Don't know how I survived 67 years and 35 in the business world. Rather glad I am not starting over in the world that you and your ilk are creating.


BOOM! :boom::damn::clap::popcorn2:
 
Project much? Never have I said I don't like government for without a good govt. there is nothing but chaos. This govt. isn't a good govt. it is too involved in micromanaging personal responsibility issues, it totally ignores states rights, and taxes too much and spends too much vs. its original role. How does anyone expect to fund a 3.77 trillion dollar federal budget and still pay for similar services in their own state?

You don't seem to understand personal responsibilities as well as the role of the federal govt. I am not a member of any political party but I do more associate with the Republican party than the Democrat Party although I grew up a staunch Democrat until the Democrat Party became the entitlement party.

Liberalism has outlived its usefulness and is destroying the economy as the results show. With liberals there is no such thing as personal responsibility or consequences for poor choices. You choose the wrong job and are entitled to unemployment insurance for two years, You live an unhealthy lifestyle and are entitled to healthcare funded by someone else. you invest your own money into a business and then pay the govt. for that right and then do exactly what the govt. demands in terms of pay to your workers and regulations that you adhere to. you are forced to contribute into SS and allow your politicians to spend that SS money on whatever they want and when there is a shortfall you promote just taxing more and rewarding bad behavior. You throw money at every social problem because it makes you feel good even though no social problem has ever been solved by throwing money at it but all are solved by holding people accountable for poor choices.

Yes, Boo, I don't understand you nor will I ever. Don't know how I survived 67 years and 35 in the business world. Rather glad I am not starting over in the world that you and your ilk are creating.

Try reading what I said for comprehension and not an anti liberal rant.

And we need both liberalism and conservatism. There are serious consequences of only having one.
 
China controls the production therefore what input should there be from the workers. Wages in China are a reflection of the cost of living in China and the fact that different provinces pay a different wage is totally ignored by you.

Why is it you judge everyone else by your standards. Any idea what $200 a month will buy in China? Of course not because in this country $200 isn't a lot of money.

Read the second link. It overs the cost of living.

And it was me, not you, who brought up the different wages in different provinces. You're really getting a little wild with that one.
 
Doctorates are what doctors get. And many of those listed also have years of learning after their doctorates. Doctors are not special.

Yes they are. Lol. This is hardly even a debate. A doctorate in being a chiropractor isn't the equivalent of a practicing MD with 12-16 years of secondary education. Its not even close. There is a reason why they are paid so highly, because they are that important and being a doctor is that difficult. If a chiropractor was on the level of a practicing MD in both rigor of education and their importance, their pay would reflect such. It doesn't, and for good reason.
 
Yes they are. Lol. This is hardly even a debate. A doctorate in being a chiropractor isn't the equivalent of a practicing MD with 12-16 years of secondary education. Its not even close. There is a reason why they are paid so highly, because they are that important and being a doctor is that difficult. If a chiropractor was on the level of a practicing MD in both rigor of education and their importance, their pay would reflect such. It doesn't, and for good reason.

I had been to many "doctors", but the chiropractor is the one that helped with my back issues. All the "doctors" could do is order tests and perform procedures that didn't solve the problem...
 
I had been to many "doctors", but the chiropractor is the one that helped with my back issues. All the "doctors" could do is order tests and perform procedures that didn't solve the problem...

Never said chiropractors don't serve a purpose. Practiced medicine is a wonderful thing, but its not the answer to every question.
 
There is a differance between practiced medicine and quackery.

Most of what chiropractors do is quackery. But research seems to show that they are good for back pain, so I give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
Most of what chiropractors do is quackery. But research seems to show that they are good for back pain, so I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Trust me, I used to feel the same way, but I am currently free from pain killers and loving it...
 
Yes they are. Lol. This is hardly even a debate. A doctorate in being a chiropractor isn't the equivalent of a practicing MD with 12-16 years of secondary education. Its not even close. There is a reason why they are paid so highly, because they are that important and being a doctor is that difficult. If a chiropractor was on the level of a practicing MD in both rigor of education and their importance, their pay would reflect such. It doesn't, and for good reason.

No one suggests over wise. Not that we pay for things that way. Are you sure you know what's being argued?
 
Try reading what I said for comprehension and not an anti liberal rant.

And we need both liberalism and conservatism. There are serious consequences of only having one.

Yes, we need liberals to keep all us conservatives from starving kids, killing seniors, and polluting the air, in other words to protect us from ourselves. We need liberals about as much as we need another virus without an antidote. There obviously isn't enough arrogance in the world thus we need liberals.
 
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