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Conservative said:
Aw, yes, black and white when it comes to human behavior and activity, something you have shown no ability to understand. There is a general definition for responsibility but that definition varies by individual as all people don't have the same responsibility just like not all people find a minimum wage not to be a living wage.



Read it and lived it. Employed thousands of people and had a personal interface with most of them. You can give an educated guess as to what people will do but never be certain. Your problem is you believe an educated guess is precise. When it comes to people it isn't.

You seem to have come to the belief that business individuals are in business to employ people. Where did you come up with that? A business owner is in business to make a profit for themselves and their family. Workers are a requirement for most businesses but as we have seen in North Dakota supply and demand plays a much bigger role in wages than you will ever admit. All businesses are going to try and get labor for as cheaply as possible. The decision whether or not to take the job is the individuals. Businesses in North Dakota aren't finding it easy to find cheap labor because of greater demand than supply. That is what happens when you unleash the American spirit and incentive.

You just aren't the expert you think you are, too much book "learnin" and so little street smarts.
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Your answers show no understanding of history. No street smarts either.
 
Conservative said:
I find it quite shocking the difference between what you think you know and what you actually know. That my friend is a wide gap
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Oh you've proven your lack of knowledge on many of an occasion. One of the best was when ya tried to compare real and nominal figures. Oh god that was funny
 
winston53660 said:
Oh you've proven your lack of knowledge on many of an occasion. One of the best was when ya tried to compare real and nominal figures. Oh god that was funny
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Yep, that was hilarious just like you believing we pay debt service on inflation driven numbers and also believe SS and Medicare aren't on budget. Now that would be funny if it weren't so sad.
 
Conservative said:
Yep, that was hilarious just like you believing we pay debt service on inflation driven numbers and also believe SS and Medicare aren't on budget. Now that would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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So lets just re do everything to fit your tableaux that fits an ideology. Yoyr issue is with SS seeing that they are on record in saying they are off budget. I'm sure were that a problem various agencies and people would set them straight
 
winston53660 said:
So lets just re do everything to fit your tableaux that fits an ideology. Yoyr issue is with SS seeing that they are on record in saying they are off budget. I'm sure were that a problem various agencies and people would set them straight
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Please have someone explain to you how we have a 3.77 trillion dollar budget proposal from Obama without SS and Medicare? Maybe someone could teach you what a unified budget is as well and then explain to you that an IOU has to be funded by cash, cash that the govt. doesn't have and will have to print or borrow. You see, people like you ought to know better and maybe do but sure don't show it in this forum. Funny how no matter what the numbers, you and others give Obama a pass on the results generated.
 
Conservative said:
Please have someone explain to you how we have a 3.77 trillion dollar budget proposal from Obama without SS and Medicare? Maybe someone could teach you what a unified budget is as well and then explain to you that an IOU has to be funded by cash, cash that the govt. doesn't have and will have to print or borrow. You see, people like you ought to know better and maybe do but sure don't show it in this forum. Funny how no matter what the numbers, you and others give Obama a pass on the results generated.
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Oh dear god you don't even know what on or off budget means! If had any kahoonas you would be arguing for SS to be on budget so that it faces cuts from things like sequestration. Instead you sit here and argue for it to be off budget (when it is already ) instead of on budget. On budget fits more with your arguments and you don't even realize that
 
winston53660 said:
Oh dear god you don't even know what on or off budget means! If had any kahoonas you would be arguing for SS to be on budget so that it faces cuts from things like sequestration. Instead you sit here and argue for it to be off budget (when it is already ) instead of on budget. On budget fits more with your arguments and you don't even realize that
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I am not sure even God can help you as you are too far gone to understand the two parts of the unified budget and what part is subject to the sequester. The problem you have is the unified budget is what created the deficit that Clinton had every year of his term. He took money from SS/Medicare and replaced it with IOU's backed by U.S. Treasuries. You seem to believe that a U.S. Treasury Bond is an asset to the Federal Govt. when the reality is it is an obligation thus an expense. Expenses exceeded revenue during the Clinton term and thus created deficits every year.
 
Conservative said:
I am not sure even God can help you as you are too far gone to understand the two parts of the unified budget and what part is subject to the sequester. The problem you have is the unified budget is what created the deficit that Clinton had every year of his term. He took money from SS/Medicare and replaced it with IOU's backed by U.S. Treasuries. You seem to believe that a U.S. Treasury Bond is an asset to the Federal Govt. when the reality is it is an obligation thus an expense. Expenses exceeded revenue during the Clinton term and thus created deficits every year.
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Oh dear goodness even with accrual accounting where expenses are booked when incured even future ones there was still a surplus.
 
winston53660 said:
Oh dear goodness even with accrual accounting where expenses are booked when incured even future ones there was still a surplus.
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Waste of time, waste of time. the money was taken, spent on items other than SS/Medicare and still there wasn't enough to show a surplus. Only the public debt side showed a surplus, total unified budget had a deficit and interest expense increased.
 
Conservative said:
Waste of time, waste of time. the money was taken, spent on items other than SS/Medicare and still there wasn't enough to show a surplus. Only the public debt side showed a surplus, total unified budget had a deficit and interest expense increased.
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Even bothering with him is a waste of time

We're 17 trillion in debt and the Left is spinning and distracting. That's all they ever do. They make these laughable claims, or blame Bush, or say we're not spending enough, meanwhile the Government is robbing us blind in collusion with Wall Street. They are gambling with our money and winning big. We're the suckers. Remember that next time one of these Obama sycophants spouts their nonsense. They are the lying lips of the corrupt people ruining this country and robbing us blind.
 
Bronson said:
Even bothering with him is a waste of time

We're 17 trillion in debt and the Left is spinning and distracting. That's all they ever do. They make these laughable claims, or blame Bush, or say we're not spending enough, meanwhile the Government is robbing us blind in collusion with Wall Street. They are gambling with our money and winning big. We're the suckers. Remember that next time one of these Obama sycophants spouts their nonsense. They are the lying lips of the corrupt people ruining this country and robbing us blind.
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Rather sad, isn't it. Too many people bought the Obama rhetoric and now ignore the Obama results. Some are good people who only think with their hearts, but others are really part of the problem and seem to have a vested interest in Obamanomics and destruction of our economic system. It has taken time but socialists disguised as liberals incrementally are destroying us from within.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yet, people needing to support themselves and families are working those jobs. Even with minimum wage, they likely can't.

It's good practice to have some minimal standards. You might want to look at the history of the American worker. You might get a better understanding of how we got here, and what could happen if we go backwards.
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You say it is a good practice to have a minimum wage, I don't. I say it's a good idea for people to have jobs, develop skills and go as far as they can without government interference and drag. You say people have to support themselves and their families are being paid minimum wage and I say whose fault is that? I would start with the government for making it just about impossible for most under the age of 18 to get any kind of a job other than running a cash register. So gaining skills by the age of 18 has been blocked by the government. Then who is controlling education? That's right, the same stupid ass government that wants to pretend that every kid wants/needs/should be prepared to go to college. What a waste of time and taxpayer money for most kids. So what do we get? We usually get a unprepared, unskilled, unexperienced kid who has done nothing but waste time at a government school. Then the government wants to tell an employer how much he has to pay somebody that fits that mold? His proven on the job worth is zero. It will be months and months before the employer can recoup his investment and that's if'y.. If the minimum wage keeps going up, less people get hired which of course means less people can develop their skills and earn higher wages at a later date.
 
Conservative said:
Rather sad, isn't it. Too many people bought the Obama rhetoric and now ignore the Obama results. Some are good people who only think with their hearts, but others are really part of the problem and seem to have a vested interest in Obamanomics and destruction of our economic system. It has taken time but socialists disguised as liberals incrementally are destroying us from within.
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We need to start opening our eyes to what's really happening. Obama is using the liberal MSM and Pop Culture to form and shape his own reality where Obama is the center of the culture. Look at what is going on in Hollywood. Movies are brainwashing technique. You go over and over and see the same movie every time. A savior and a villain. Look at the villains in movies like WH Down. Tea Partiers. Christians. White males. Obama is creating his own reality TV show. He can make up all the facts just like Goebbels did.

look at how the "MSM" doctored audiotapes to push lies and deception. If you look at the MTV Pop Culture (low info voters/Democrat voters) Obama isn't seen as a President. He's not seen as governing. The effects of his policies aren't attributed to him because we're being manipulated. From one campaign issue to the next the left is lighting fires to get us running from one fake issue to the next. Meanwhile Obamacare = Police State. It creates a National Real Time Database. The internet is becoming a weapon and people are distracted by Trayvon Martin. Trayvon is a coordinated propaganda push to distract the country from the real danger that we're in.

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Our economy is crumbling. These people posting about how great Obama's economy is are either on welfare or they get paid for the nonsense they type. Getting a job in this economy is not easy. Good jobs are evaporating fast. All this money the Fed is pumping into the economy is an illusion. When the balloon pops get ready.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
You say it is a good practice to have a minimum wage, I don't. I say it's a good idea for people to have jobs, develop skills and go as far as they can without government interference and drag. You say people have to support themselves and their families are being paid minimum wage and I say whose fault is that? I would start with the government for making it just about impossible for most under the age of 18 to get any kind of a job other than running a cash register. So gaining skills by the age of 18 has been blocked by the government. Then who is controlling education? That's right, the same stupid ass government that wants to pretend that every kid wants/needs/should be prepared to go to college. What a waste of time and taxpayer money for most kids. So what do we get? We usually get a unprepared, unskilled, unexperienced kid who has done nothing but waste time at a government school. Then the government wants to tell an employer how much he has to pay somebody that fits that mold? His proven on the job worth is zero. It will be months and months before the employer can recoup his investment and that's if'y.. If the minimum wage keeps going up, less people get hired which of course means less people can develop their skills and earn higher wages at a later date.
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First off, if the government interfered, as we see in China, wages would be very, very low. No regulations. Everything you guys are asking for. These are people lead efforts. Efforts by citizens, workers. Not the government.
 
Boo Radley said:
First off, if the government interfered, as we see in China, wages would be very, very low. No regulations. Everything you guys are asking for. These are people lead efforts. Efforts by citizens, workers. Not the government.
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This isn't China, YET, this is a free enterprise, capitalistic economy based upon private businesses. You don't seem to understand the concept or the difference. It is Obama and liberalism that is trying to make this more like China by destroying the private sector and when that happens, wages will be every bit like China. It is the free market that keeps wages up, not Obama and the govt
 
ItAin'tFree said:
You say it is a good practice to have a minimum wage, I don't. I say it's a good idea for people to have jobs, develop skills and go as far as they can without government interference and drag. You say people have to support themselves and their families are being paid minimum wage and I say whose fault is that? I would start with the government for making it just about impossible for most under the age of 18 to get any kind of a job other than running a cash register. So gaining skills by the age of 18 has been blocked by the government. Then who is controlling education? That's right, the same stupid ass government that wants to pretend that every kid wants/needs/should be prepared to go to college. What a waste of time and taxpayer money for most kids. So what do we get? We usually get a unprepared, unskilled, unexperienced kid who has done nothing but waste time at a government school. Then the government wants to tell an employer how much he has to pay somebody that fits that mold? His proven on the job worth is zero. It will be months and months before the employer can recoup his investment and that's if'y.. If the minimum wage keeps going up, less people get hired which of course means less people can develop their skills and earn higher wages at a later date.
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I think the increased rates in worker productivity should at least worth $10.00 per hour.I have read a study that makes a case for a minimum of $22 an hour today if it had kept up with productivity over the years. As Elizabeth Warren ask "wha happened to other $14.75? "Whose pocket did that dough go into?:shock:
 
Conservative said:
This isn't China, YET, this is a free enterprise, capitalistic economy based upon private businesses. You don't seem to understand the concept or the difference. It is Obama and liberalism that is trying to make this more like China by destroying the private sector and when that happens, wages will be every bit like China. It is the free market that keeps wages up, not Obama and the govt
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But the country you want is China. No regulations:China. Low wages without minimum wage or unions: China. This is the perfect government for you.
 
Boo Radley said:
But the country you want is China. No regulations:China. Low wages without minimum wage or unions: China. This is the perfect government for you.
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agreed, this would seem to be his preference.
 
Boo Radley said:
But the country you want is China. No regulations:China. Low wages without minimum wage or unions: China. This is the perfect government for you.
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As has been proven you have no idea who I am or what I want but judge everyone based upon your own ideology and beliefs. Unlike you I actually ran a business with actual employees and faced those regulations and taxes you say don't really matter. This is the best economy on the face of the earth that you and your ilk are trying to destroy
 
Conservative said:
As has been proven you have no idea who I am or what I want but judge everyone based upon your own ideology and beliefs. Unlike you I actually ran a business with actual employees and faced those regulations and taxes you say don't really matter. This is the best economy on the face of the earth that you and your ilk are trying to destroy
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What you ask for can be found in China. That's what you get when government runs things. Here people fight for things. You just don't like workers having a voice. You want it like it is in China.
 
Boo Radley said:
What you ask for can be found in China. That's what you get when government runs things. Here people fight for things. You just don't like workers having a voice. You want it like it is in China.
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No it isn't, try to start a business in China. workers always have a voice here and they can use that voice not to take a job
 
Conservative said:
As has been proven you have no idea who I am or what I want but judge everyone based upon your own ideology and beliefs. Unlike you I actually ran a business with actual employees and faced those regulations and taxes you say don't really matter. This is the best economy on the face of the earth that you and your ilk are trying to destroy
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I thought the Libruls already destroyed YOUR country that YOU built?
 
Conservative said:
No it isn't, try to start a business in China. workers always have a voice here and they can use that voice not to take a job
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If they don't take the job where are they going to work?
 
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