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U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

winston53660 said:
Okay lets take a look at one of these bills:

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Okay where is the mention of jobs?

Now lets see what an actual expert has to say. Not some hyperbolic blow hard idealogical am radio parrot on the internetz.
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See ???

Your post is a great example of the willful ignorance of Democrats or those who support Obama. Right now, Obama through arbitrary EPA enforcement is hampering jobs growth. All on the false narrative of environmental protection. Tryiing to shut down the coal industry, forcing industry to spend billions to meet new draconian regulations.

A arbitrary increase in Regulations kill economic growth.

What's interesting is that his job killing regulations stop at industrial and energy applications, but getting the GSE's back up and going with the same bubble building malfeasance that created the Sub-Prime Collapse ?

Hiring a politician to run Fannie Mae into the ground ? His new Affordable Home Initiative through Ginnie Mae ? No there's " nothing wrong with that "
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Nice attempt to try and change the subject, but you fail. You claim the "Obama administration doesn't have a clue how business works." If that were true, there wouldn't have been a net gain of 7.2 million jobs over the last 40 months.

And by the way, aren't you a man of your word? You said you were done with me? Why are you still posting to me then?
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It's not a " net " gain if workforce participation levels are dropping as fast as he claims " jobs growth " It's not a " net gain " if there are 10 million more working age Americans than there was when he was elected.

Jobs growth isn't even keeping up with population growth, it's been lagging behind since he was elected by people who are easily manipulated and entertained.

Cant you make ONE post that's honest ?
 
Conservative said:
I do hope people are paying attention to the lies of the left. Here are the employment numbers that tell the rest of the story with regardless to the distorted information given to you by Obama supporters. 7.2 million jobs created!!! Wow, incredible number, isn't it? Too bad that it is up 2 million since Obama took office and still down two million from when the recession began and all at the bargain price of over 6.2 trillion added to the debt.

Hope the following helps some here to realize how little credibility Obama supporters have when it comes to the economic numbers they post. Liberals seem to have such low expectations and such a poor understanding of economic policies.

November 2007 Employment, 146.6 million people working
January 2009, 142.2 million people working
July 2013, 144.1 million people working

Yes, that is a liberal success story, hiring someone to get the employment level back to 146.6 million and getting employment back to 144.1 million
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Hey, look at that ... those number show how Bush's Great Recession led to the loss of 9 million jobs.

It's amusing how Bush can lose 9 million jobs and you'd vote for him again if he were running, but Obama gains 7 million jobs and you won't vote for him at all. :shrug:
 
Fenton said:
See ???

Your post is a great example of the willful ignorance of Democrats or those who support Obama. Right now, Obama through arbitrary EPA enforcement is hampering jobs growth. All on the false narrative of environmental protection. Tryiing to shut down the coal industry, forcing industry to spend billions to meet new draconian regulations.

A arbitrary increase in Regulations kill economic growth.

What's interesting is that his job killing regulations stop at industrial and energy applications, but getting the GSE's back up and going with the same bubble building malfeasance that created the Sub-Prime Collapse ?

Hiring a politician to run Fannie Mae into the ground ? His new Affordable Home Initiative through Ginnie Mae ? No there's " nothing wrong with that "
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Cool post ... a non-sequitur AND a false premise all rolled into one. Here's what Obama's has been doing for energy ...

Drill, Baby, Drill: Obama Opens Up Offshore Drilling and Exploration

OBAMA: My Administration Continues To Open Millions Of Acres For Oil And Gas Exploration

O covers his gas as city price hits $4.49

Obama Opens Part of National Petroleum Reserve In Alaska to Leases for Drilling

... you are now free to return to your rightie talking points. :lamo
 
Fenton said:
It's not a " net " gain if workforce participation levels are dropping as fast as he claims " jobs growth " It's not a " net gain " if there are 10 million more working age Americans than there was when he was elected.

Jobs growth isn't even keeping up with population growth, it's been lagging behind since he was elected by people who are easily manipulated and entertained.

Cant you make ONE post that's honest ?
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Nonsense. We went from 107 million to 114 million private sector jobs over the last 40 months. That is a net gain in the private sector. Trying to factor in the participation rate is what is dishonest since it includes people who retire, people who opt for school, and people who lost their jobs in a struggling public sector.

And by the way, the drop in the participation rate begin around 2001 and increased drastically in 2008 when the economy collapsed and when baby boomers began hitting the early retirement age of 62.
 
Boo Radley said:
You don't need to be flipping bugers at McDonalds to learn a work ethic.
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Right you are. But thousands and thousands of people got a good start there. If you have a better idea, you hire them with no skills and pay them more than they are worth. Who knows, maybe you can win the lottery and you can keep the doors of your business open for a year or two before you go broke.
 
sheik yerbuti said:
nonsense. We went from 107 million to 114 million private sector jobs over the last 40 months. That is a net gain in the private sector. Trying to factor in the participation rate is what is dishonest since it includes people who retire, people who opt for school, and people who lost their jobs in a struggling public sector.

And by the way, the drop in the participation rate begin around 2001 and increased drastically in 2008 when the economy collapsed and when baby boomers began hitting the early retirement age of 62.
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lol....
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Right you are. But thousands and thousands of people got a good start there. If you have a better idea, you hire them with no skills and pay them more than they are worth. Who knows, maybe you can win the lottery and you can keep the doors of your business open for a year or two before you go broke.
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You don't have to do this either. You're going from one extreme to another.
 
Boo Radley said:
You don't have to do this either. You're going from one extreme to another.
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Nothing extreme about a business offering employment to unskilled workers at a low wage that allows them to develop their skills and the business to make money at the same time. The extreme is braindead, wishful thinking that sound business practices don't matter or don't effect future hiring.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Nothing extreme about a business offering employment to unskilled workers at a low wage that allows them to develop their skills and the business to make money at the same time. The extreme is braindead, wishful thinking that sound business practices don't matter or don't effect future hiring.
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Minimum wage s low wage. No ones getting rich on it.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Nothing extreme about a business offering employment to unskilled workers at a low wage that allows them to develop their skills and the business to make money at the same time. The extreme is braindead, wishful thinking that sound business practices don't matter or don't effect future hiring.
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Minimum wage is in place to prevent what's happening to people in China. Enough people here clearly want it or we wouldn't have it.
 
Fenton said:
See ???

Your post is a great example of the willful ignorance of Democrats or those who support Obama. Right now, Obama through arbitrary EPA enforcement is hampering jobs growth. All on the false narrative of environmental protection. Tryiing to shut down the coal industry, forcing industry to spend billions to meet new draconian regulations.

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That has asolutely nothing to do with the issue I was addressing.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Minimum wage is in place to prevent what's happening to people in China. Enough people here clearly want it or we wouldn't have it.
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Yes, yes it all makes sense now. Minimum wage should be set at a level that employee's want. The adverse consequences be damned, what's important is what people want. LOL.

As best I can tell, China's economy keeps moving forward and their standard of living keeps on increasing for the vast majority of it's people. Thanks to politican's such as Obama, the same can't be said about America. To put things in a way that may help you understand how Americans have been lied to by the leftists, think about the following. If food stamps were stimulus, being Obama has set huge record levels of food stamp spending and increases in the number of people receiving food stamps, how come the American economy is not booming across the board and the minimum wage idea nothing more than an afterthought?
 
ItAin'tFree said:
No kidding? LOL.
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Yet, people needing to support themselves and families are working those jobs. Even with minimum wage, they likely can't.

It's good practice to have some minimal standards. You might want to look at the history of the American worker. You might get a better understanding of how we got here, and what could happen if we go backwards.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yet, people needing to support themselves and families are working those jobs. Even with minimum wage, they likely can't.

It's good practice to have some minimal standards. You might want to look at the history of the American worker. You might get a better understanding of how we got here, and what could happen if we go backwards.
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So whose responsibility is it for those people that you claim are supporting families on minimum wage? Do they hold any responsibility for their own plight or is it all those evil businesses who you seem to believe are in business to employ people? Is that what you learned in our education system?

Not sure how we got to this position where it is always someone else's responsibility for personal failures. Our country wasn't built on that principle. Somehow liberals today believe there is an endless pot of cash controlled by the business owner and he should use that cash to employ someone else who has nothing monetarily invested and has no business profit demand. The employee isn't the last person to get paid, doesn't have to pay business taxes nor apply to business regulations, the employee doesn't have to pay back the lending institution for the investment capital for that business.

When I see people like you posting this bs, I understand how poor our education system really is and how little you understand about it.
 
Conservative said:
So whose responsibility is it for those people that you claim are supporting families on minimum wage? Do they hold any responsibility for their own plight or is it all those evil businesses who you seem to believe are in business to employ people? Is that what you learned in our education system?

Not sure how we got to this position where it is always someone else's responsibility for personal failures. Our country wasn't built on that principle. Somehow liberals today believe there is an endless pot of cash controlled by the business owner and he should use that cash to employ someone else who has nothing monetarily invested and has no business profit demand. The employee isn't the last person to get paid, doesn't have to pay business taxes nor apply to business regulations, the employee doesn't have to pay back the lending institution for the investment capital for that business.

When I see people like you posting this bs, I understand how poor our education system really is and how little you understand about it.
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Responsibility falls on all sides. But if you run a business, using a low wage is valid for beginning workers. The question is how low. The employer too often has too much of an advantage. History shows this. So some limits on how low helps all of us do the responsible thing.
 
Boo Radley said:
Responsibility falls on all sides. But if you run a business, using a low wage is valid for beginning workers. The question is how low. The employer too often has too much of an advantage. History shows this. So some limits on how low helps all of us do the responsible thing.
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The responsible thing? Who defines the responsible thing? Do you know what someone else's profit demand is? How about their How about their educational background? What you and others do not seem to understand is the cost of doing business today, the effects of higher taxes(federal, state, local), the cost of regulations, the constant threat of lawsuits and violating the written regulations, but more importantly the cost of starting up a business, hiring, and yes even firing people/

It isn't the government's place or yours or mine to tell a private business owner what to pay his/her workers. There is far too much jealousy today and concern about what someone else makes or pays in taxes. This country is being destroyed from within with the entitlement mentality that you and others want to promote. No one is entitled to a job, they earn it. No one is entitled to a livable wage, they earn it. No one is entitled to what someone else has earned but liberalism takes it from them. This country is headed in the wrong direction and you are part of the problem.
 
Conservative said:
The responsible thing? Who defines the responsible thing? Do you know what someone else's profit demand is? How about their How about their educational background? What you and others do not seem to understand is the cost of doing business today, the effects of higher taxes(federal, state, local), the cost of regulations, the constant threat of lawsuits and violating the written regulations, but more importantly the cost of starting up a business, hiring, and yes even firing people/

It isn't the government's place or yours or mine to tell a private business owner what to pay his/her workers. There is far too much jealousy today and concern about what someone else makes or pays in taxes. This country is being destroyed from within with the entitlement mentality that you and others want to promote. No one is entitled to a job, they earn it. No one is entitled to a livable wage, they earn it. No one is entitled to what someone else has earned but liberalism takes it from them. This country is headed in the wrong direction and you are part of the problem.
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If responsibility has no agreed upon definition, why use the word?

And yes, I know about profit and demand. But paying a living wage isn't contrary to that. It's just another lie used to get workers to accept poverty. Again, read some history.

Btw it isn't the government. If the government ran it, there would be even lower wages. See China. It is people, citizens, workers using government as the tool to effect change. Read history.
 
Boo Radley said:
If responsibility has no agreed upon definition, why use the word?

And yes, I know about profit and demand. But paying a living wage isn't contrary to that. It's just another lie used to get workers to accept poverty. Again, read some history.

Btw it isn't the government. If the government ran it, there would be even lower wages. See China. It is people, citizens, workers using government as the tool to effect change. Read history.
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The definition for responsibility is an individual definition for it means something differently to each individual. You seem to use it a lot as if it has a definite definition just like living wage. What you do is impose your own standards on everyone else and judge everyone else by your standards. Life doesn't work that way.

You give people so little credit. It is up to the individual not the business owner to determine their own wage. If the worker doesn't want to work for the wage, then why take it. Millions today aren't. Amazing how you support govt. intervention into the private sector when you believe it suits your position. I have read history and unfortunately we are doomed to repeat it thanks to people like you.
 
Conservative said:
The definition for responsibility is an individual definition for it means something differently to each individual. You seem to use it a lot as if it has a definite definition just like living wage. What you do is impose your own standards on everyone else and judge everyone else by your standards. Life doesn't work that way.

You give people so little credit. It is up to the individual not the business owner to determine their own wage. If the worker doesn't want to work for the wage, then why take it. Millions today aren't. Amazing how you support govt. intervention into the private sector when you believe it suits your position. I have read history and unfortunately we are doomed to repeat it thanks to people like you.
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There's this book. It's call a dictionary. It actually has definitions of words. The minute a word only means what we want it to mean, the word becomes useless and we should stop using it.

As for giving people credit, we have history. We can see what people have done and be able to predict what they will do. There was an economic advantage to having slaves. It powered the use of them. So it is in the work place. It has to often less to do with supply and demand as it does with how cheap can I get away with. Read history.
 
Boo Radley said:
There's this book. It's call a dictionary. It actually has definitions of words. The minute a word only means what we want it to mean, the word becomes useless and we should .
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Pffft we all know lexicographers are in cahoots with the liberal pinko communist fascist Obama agenda!
 
Boo Radley;1062087151]There's this book. It's call a dictionary. It actually has definitions of words. The minute a word only means what we want it to mean, the word becomes useless and we should stop using it.
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Aw, yes, black and white when it comes to human behavior and activity, something you have shown no ability to understand. There is a general definition for responsibility but that definition varies by individual as all people don't have the same responsibility just like not all people find a minimum wage not to be a living wage.

As for giving people credit, we have history. We can see what people have done and be able to predict what they will do. There was an economic advantage to having slaves. It powered the use of them. So it is in the work place. It has to often less to do with supply and demand as it does with how cheap can I get away with. Read history.
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Read it and lived it. Employed thousands of people and had a personal interface with most of them. You can give an educated guess as to what people will do but never be certain. Your problem is you believe an educated guess is precise. When it comes to people it isn't.

You seem to have come to the belief that business individuals are in business to employ people. Where did you come up with that? A business owner is in business to make a profit for themselves and their family. Workers are a requirement for most businesses but as we have seen in North Dakota supply and demand plays a much bigger role in wages than you will ever admit. All businesses are going to try and get labor for as cheaply as possible. The decision whether or not to take the job is the individuals. Businesses in North Dakota aren't finding it easy to find cheap labor because of greater demand than supply. That is what happens when you unleash the American spirit and incentive.

You just aren't the expert you think you are, too much book "learnin" and so little street smarts.
 
winston53660 said:
Pffft we all know lexicographers are in cahoots with the liberal pinko communist fascist Obama agenda!
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I find it quite shocking the difference between what you think you know and what you actually know. That my friend is a wide gap
 
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