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U.S. Adds 195,000 Jobs; Unemployment Remains 7.6%

rabbitcaebannog said:
Define "liberalism".... Economic liberalism or something else?
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Start another thread and I will be happy to participate. This thread is about unemployment and the victory lap Obama is taking over 195,000 jobs being created. By trying to legislate economic equality and equal outcome he is spreading misery equally to everyone. Obama took office with the claim that he had the answers and here we are over four years after the end of the recession and we have 2 million fewer Americans working than when the recession began, over 6 trillion added to the debt, and poor European style economic growth.
 
Poor European economic growth- Right, Europe went the direction of Austerity while we did some of that but on a much lesser scale. So people want more Austerity or less?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Poor European economic growth- Right, Europe went the direction of Austerity while we did some of that but on a much lesser scale. So people want more Austerity or less?
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Just goes to show what America will become if they adopt Obamanomics and make the govt. a major portion of our GDP. Europe is dependent on massive govt. spending and shows what happens when the govt. goes on a diet. The U.S. is dependent on the private sector and needs the govt. to go on a diet.
 
Conservative said:
Just goes to show what America will become if they adopt Obamanomics and make the govt. a major portion of our GDP. Europe is dependent on massive govt. spending and shows what happens when the govt. goes on a diet. The U.S. is dependent on the private sector and needs the govt. to go on a diet.
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First, "Obamanomics" is not making government a major portion of GDP. That is just asinine to even suggest. Austerity is when you cut government spending. It depresses job growth.
 
Conservative said:
Voting for Bush in 2004 was easy, the opponent was Kerry, one of the most liberal Senators in the Congress. The economy didn't crash because of Bush, it crashed because of Congressional inaction and the desire to regain the WH vs. doing their job and what was right for the American people

You voted for the least experienced and poorest prepared individual to ever hold the office and here we are over four years later with economic results that would make Europe proud, high unemployment, high debt, low economic growth, hardly an economy for the greatest country on the face of the earth and these results are due to lack of leadership.

Without strong leadership and a strong economy nothing else matters including the reason you voted for Obama
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The economy crashed because of the crooks in Wall Street and the banking industry. What did Bush do about it?

 
Conservative said:
Really, 100% of job losses occurred during Bush fiscal years? What years would that be? Do you even know what the fiscal year of the U.S. is? You make wild statements but never back them up because you know you are wrong but cannot admit it.
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Um, the last Bush budget was 2009, that fiscal year ended Sept 2009, and the job losses reached their bottom in Dec 2009, hence nearly all of the job losses for the Bush Recession occurred within the Bush fiscal years.

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Conservative said:
Guess Gimme isn't really interested in some truth at all. Wonder where he/she thinks the 842 billion stimulus signed in February 2009 was supposed to go?
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I have told you a thousand times , the majority of the ARRA was TAX CUTS, the next biggest item was retaining teachers, firemen, (local govt employees) in their existing jobs, only a small portion went into job creation.




Conservative said:
Wonder why it is people like Gimme that believes it is the government's responsibility to spend taxpayer money for the private sector to create jobs? Fact is, it isn't, govt, spending of taxpayer dollars simply creates dependence and has no place in propping up the private sector which should succeed or fail on its own. No spending is necessary on jobs, just incentive to the private sector, NOT Obamacare, NOT more regulations, NOT higher taxes and the private sector will create jobs
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Funny, what did Reagan do to counter the recession in '81? Triple the debt on defence spending, creating millions of jobs. What did W do to counter the '01 recession? Spend trillions on defense spending for two wars and massively increase federal jobs.

It is OK when the GOP does it, not so much if a Dem spends a tiny fraction on direct job creation.....during the worst recession since 1929.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, the last Bush budget was 2009, that fiscal year ended Sept 2009, and the job losses reached their bottom in Dec 2009, hence nearly all of the job losses for the Bush Recession occurred within the Bush fiscal years.

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You really want to make this about Bush in a thread about Obama's job creation performance? We have been there, you don't seem to understand the difference between a budget and actual spending just like the rest of reality that you don't understand that we have a private sector economy that isn't going to create jobs with things like Obamacare, higher taxes, and more regulations.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I have told you a thousand times , the majority of the ARRA was TAX CUTS, the next biggest item was retaining teachers, firemen, (local govt employees) in their existing jobs, only a small portion went into job creation.




Funny, what did Reagan do to counter the recession in '81? Triple the debt on defence spending, creating millions of jobs. What did W do to counter the '01 recession? Spend trillions on defense spending for two wars and massively increase federal jobs.

It is OK when the GOP does it, not so much if a Dem spends a tiny fraction on direct job creation.....during the worst recession since 1929.
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That is what you told me but that isn't reality nor was it the way the program was sold. You just don't seem to be able to grasp reality, liberalism is a failed economic ideology as the economic growth and job creation shows.
 
Conservative said:
That is what you told me but that isn't reality nor was it the way the program was sold. You just don't seem to be able to grasp reality, liberalism is a failed economic ideology as the economic growth and job creation shows.
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you are aware that, for quite awhile now, both economic and job growth numbers have been good.
 
randel said:
you are aware that, for quite awhile now, both economic and job growth numbers have been good.
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Really? So having 2 million fewer people employed today than in December 2007 when the recession began and having over a million discouraged workers not counted LAST month is good economic performance in your world? Do you ever admit that Obama made a fool out of you and all the others that voted for him?
 
Conservative said:
Really? So having 2 million fewer people employed today than in December 2007 when the recession began and having over a million discouraged workers not counted LAST month is good economic performance in your world? Do you ever admit that Obama made a fool out of you and all the others that voted for him?
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things have been improving economically/job wise for some time, as the numbers witness...you don't like democrats/liberals, we get it, but you let your hate color your perceptions...the numbers agree with me, and not your argument.
 
randel said:
things have been improving economically/job wise for some time, as the numbers witness...you don't like democrats/liberals, we get it, but you let your hate color your perceptions...the numbers agree with me, and not your argument.
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As usual numbers don't matter to you probably because like most liberals you really don't care about all those millions of people unemployed/under employed/discouraged. The numbers don't agree with you because you have no concept of what the numbers mean. You see 195,000 jobs created and ignore that we aren't even close to pre recession levels. You see what the left wants you to see and are so partisan that actual results don't matter. Unlike you, I grew up a Democrat and saw the party leave me. You continue to let the Democrat Party make a fool out of you. Results always matter to someone aggressive and out to better themselves and their family.

By the way, the annualized GDP growth rate in 2013 is 1.8% through the first quarter. Booming numbers??
 
Conservative said:
As usual numbers don't matter to you probably because like most liberals you really don't care about all those millions of people unemployed/under employed/discouraged. The numbers don't agree with you because you have no concept of what the numbers mean. You see 195,000 jobs created and ignore that we aren't even close to pre recession levels. You see what the left wants you to see and are so partisan that actual results don't matter. Unlike you, I grew up a Democrat and saw the party leave me. You continue to let the Democrat Party make a fool out of you. Results always matter to someone aggressive and out to better themselves and their family.

By the way, the annualized GDP growth rate in 2013 is 1.8% through the first quarter. Booming numbers??
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'numbers don't matter'....who is it that is ignoring the numbers? that be you sir. '...are so partisan...'...hmmm, i could say the same of you....as for the rest, well, it is meant to distract from the discussion at hand.
 
Conservative said:
You really want to make this about Bush in a thread about Obama's job creation performance? We have been there, you don't seem to understand the difference between a budget and actual spending just like the rest of reality that you don't understand that we have a private sector economy that isn't going to create jobs with things like Obamacare, higher taxes, and more regulations.
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You decided to focus on a part of my response that dealt with the Bish job losses, you have the numbers in front of you....and you don't like the facts....so you whine about what I am posting.

Hint: If you decide to pick a losing topic to debate, don't cry when you lose.

Now if you want to go on debating OTHER policies/programs/laws that are NOT DESIGNED TO CREATE JOBS.....and to keep inferring that somehow they are, do it by yourself. Somewhere you got the idea that a tiny tax increase on the top quintile was designed to CREATE JOBS!!!!....but guess what Con, we call this a strawman argument.

You can't talk about GOP job programs....because they are non-existent, and you decide to talk about Dem tax and insurance programs....as if they are a jobs program. They are not, you heard it here first.
 
Conservative said:
That is what you told me but that isn't reality nor was it the way the program was sold. You just don't seem to be able to grasp reality, liberalism is a failed economic ideology as the economic growth and job creation shows.
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You can't even describe how it was "sold", you are relying on your faulty memory that has to be refreshed by the rest of us over and over.
 
randel said:
'numbers don't matter'....who is it that is ignoring the numbers? that be you sir. '...are so partisan...'...hmmm, i could say the same of you....as for the rest, well, it is meant to distract from the discussion at hand.
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You talk a lot never post the numbers. I posted the numbers but you just ignore them. You see rhetoric trumps reality in your world. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
 
Conservative said:
Really? So having 2 million fewer people employed today than in December 2007 when the recession began and having over a million discouraged workers not counted LAST month is good economic performance in your world? Do you ever admit that Obama made a fool out of you and all the others that voted for him?
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So how does the GOP plan to get people employed? How will they get these folks employed? What will they do to INCREASE demand?

"No spending is necessary on jobs"

So if the private business has the lowest levels of taxes, the highest levels of profits, huge cash reserves.....but won't invest, won't hire.....what is your solution....race to the bottom with yet lower taxes and allowing even lower levels of pay?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You decided to focus on a part of my response that dealt with the Bish job losses, you have the numbers in front of you....and you don't like the facts....so you whine about what I am posting.

Hint: If you decide to pick a losing topic to debate, don't cry when you lose.

Now if you want to go on debating OTHER policies/programs/laws that are NOT DESIGNED TO CREATE JOBS.....and to keep inferring that somehow they are, do it by yourself. Somewhere you got the idea that a tiny tax increase on the top quintile was designed to CREATE JOBS!!!!....but guess what Con, we call this a strawman argument.

You can't talk about GOP job programs....because they are non-existent, and you decide to talk about Dem tax and insurance programs....as if they are a jobs program. They are not, you heard it here first.
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I would be happy to discuss the Bush performance when you learn what the fiscal year is and that a budget isn't a spending bill. You also need to learn what a discouraged worker is and how liberalism has made a fool out of you. The GOP jobs bill is to provide incentive like repealing Obamacare to private businesses to do what they do best, grow and hire people.

Just admit it, you have no idea how to run a business, no idea what the expenses are to run a business, and are in desperate need of a large central govt. just to survive.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
So how does the GOP plan to get people employed? How will they get these folks employed? What will they do to INCREASE demand?

"No spending is necessary on jobs"

So if the private business has the lowest levels of taxes, the highest levels of profits, huge cash reserves.....but won't invest, won't hire.....what is your solution....race to the bottom with yet lower taxes and allowing even lower levels of pay?
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You increase demand by allowing people to keep more of what they earn, not put regulations in place like Obamacare that increase the costs to business. You don't raise taxes on people which takes away spendable income, and you promote things like the Keystone Pipeline to employ private sector employees.
 
Conservative said:
I would be happy to discuss the Bush performance when you learn what the fiscal year is and that a budget isn't a spending bill.
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Apparently you did not find any errors in that post, so as usual this is your typically pointless comment.


You also need to learn what a discouraged worker is and how liberalism has made a fool out of you. The GOP jobs bill is to provide incentive like repealing Obamacare to private businesses to do what they do best, grow and hire people.
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Your post is totally oblivious to the fact that business won't hire until there is demand. we have depressed demand.

Just admit it, you have no idea how to run a business, no idea what the expenses are to run a business,
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I have owned a business, you have not.

and are in desperate need of a large central govt. just to survive.
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FFS Con, you are a supporter of Reagan and Bush who spent massively on private defence contractors, will you ever stop your hypocritical statements?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Apparently you did not find any errors in that post, so as usual this is your typically pointless comment.


Your post is totally oblivious to the fact that business won't hire until there is demand. we have depressed demand.

I have owned a business, you have not.

FFS Con, you are a supporter of Reagan and Bush who spent massively on private defence contractors, will you ever stop your hypocritical statements?
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What exactly has Obama done that generates this kind of loyalty and support? How much did your personal take home pay go up because of the Obama tax cuts? How many new employees have you hired during the Obama term? You claimed that almost 100% of the job losses under Obama came during the Bush fiscal year but never provided the numbers to show that nor have you addressed whether a discouraged worker is an unemployed worker? Let me know when Bush had a million discouraged workers in a month? There are 177,000 fewer unemployed people over four years after the end of the recession and still 2 million less working Americans than when the recession started yet those are good numbers to you.

Obama and the liberal elite love having people like you so easily fooled. Keep buying the rhetoric.
 
Conservative said:
You increase demand by allowing people to keep more of what they earn, not put regulations in place like Obamacare that increase the costs to business.
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You are conflating "people" with "businesses". You just can't help yourself. Businesses are limited because of lowered demand.


You don't raise taxes on people which takes away spendable income,
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A 3% increase on the top quintile is not effecting their spending, they do not even notice it.

and you promote things like the Keystone Pipeline to employ private sector employees.
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It is one of the lowest long term employment projects....oh....but wait...it went through.....duh.
 
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