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To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

Verax said:
You're the one that claimed Hitler used progressive ideology to launch his rise to power and genocide. If you're going to make such a bold claim the onus is on you.
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Bold claim? It's historical fact. You seemed ignorant of that so I gave you something that would help educate you, which you rejected offhand, of course. Seems you prefer ignorance. And I'm not surprised.
 
Papa bull said:
Bold claim? It's historical fact. You seemed ignorant of that so I gave you something that would help educate you, which you rejected offhand, of course. Seems you prefer ignorance. And I'm not surprised.
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Uhhh... do you not learn from your mistakes? Present some real evidence or pipe down please.
 
Verax said:
Uhhh... do you not learn from your mistakes? Present some real evidence or pipe down please.
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I told you. I gave you an article that spelled out details. If you don't think the details are true, you can certainly check them out. There's a lot more but why should I waste my time trying to teach you something you will stubbornly refuse to learn? Even the word "Nazi" comes from the German word for National Socialism. You should learn to embrace the truth. Whenever you find it, trade your crap in for it. In the end, you'll be much better off.
 
Verax said:
So the moral of the story is the church is probably lying to you? Lol, hey you're FINALLY starting to make some sense, well done. :doh
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It's apples and oranges, your example. But that aside, it would be worse than the church lying to us. It would mean that Christ was lying to us. Is that what you are suggesting would make sense to you?
It does not seem rational to me that a man would come, say what he said, and then knowingly be killed for it, just to lead his followers down the same path. That would be very irrational indeed, unless what he said were true.
 
Papa bull said:
I told you. I gave you an article that spelled out details. If you don't think the details are true, you can certainly check them out. There's a lot more but why should I waste my time trying to teach you something you will stubbornly refuse to learn? Even the word "Nazi" comes from the German word for National Socialism. You should learn to embrace the truth. Whenever you find it, trade your crap in for it. In the end, you'll be much better off.
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You won't be intellectually honest, that's fine, now I know to skip over your posts. I've debunked every aspect of your arguments and you've reverted back to just repeating the same baseless nonsense as though its reasonable.
 
Verax said:
You won't be intellectually honest, that's fine, now I know to skip over your posts. I've debunked every aspect of your arguments and you've reverted back to just repeating the same baseless nonsense as though its reasonable.
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Right. Denial is your idea of debunking. Here's another little truth for you. Naysaying is something any idiot can do. Raise your game above logical fallacies and naysaying.
 
Verax said:
You won't be intellectually honest, that's fine, now I know to skip over your posts. I've debunked every aspect of your arguments and you've reverted back to just repeating the same baseless nonsense as though its reasonable.
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Way to neuter the bull!
 
Papa bull said:
Right. Denial is your idea of debunking. Here's another little truth for you. Naysaying is something any idiot can do. Raise your game above logical fallacies and naysaying.
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I understand it pretty much as you have said Papa B. It is amazing that Verax is accusing you of intellectual dishonesty, but such seems to be the fabric of the Progressive cloth.
 
roguenuke said:
Legally and even socially, marriage accommodates two people of the same sex. There is no need to make things up because it does. You don't agree, then show me a rational argument why legally marriage does not allow for two people of the same sex. This would mean showing laws that are gender specific in the US and would prevent a woman from becoming another woman's spouse. Show me a rational argument why socially marriage does not allow for two people of the same sex. This means that showing men that most people would never accept a man being in love and in a relationship with another man.
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Really? Tell me where two same sex people could go get married before recent developments.
 
Anthony60 said:
Really? Tell me where two same sex people could go get married before recent developments.
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For crying out loud, there were two different Roman emperors who were married to men! It isn't like same sex marriage just appeared out of nowhere one day.
 
Anthony60 said:
Really? Tell me where two same sex people could go get married before recent developments.
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Translation:

"Really? Tell me the obvious so I can refuse to look at it and continue to ignore it upon eventually looking at it because it refutes my baseless ideology."
 
disneydude said:
Way to neuter the bull!
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lol nice

yep logical fallacies, dishonesty and strawmen are always easy to defeat. Nobody honest and educated falls for it.
 
Papa bull said:
Where it ended up isn't where it began, Verax. It might require more intellectual honesty than you're willing to sacrifice to admit it, but Hitler came to power under the progressive socialist wing and by espousing progressive socialist ideals. As I said before, it would be wrong to assert that Hitler's regime was some inevitable course of progressive socialism, but it's also wrong to deny that's where it started.
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National Socialism...

1. Totalitarian
2. Nationalistic
3. Anti-intellectual
4. Pro Military
5. Anti-Semitic
6, Anti-Communistic
7. Anti-Rationalistic
8. Anti-Liberalistic
9. Anti-Democratic
10. Pro Supreme Race

That is a progressive movement?

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/405414/National-Socialism
 
CriticalThought said:
For crying out loud, there were two different Roman emperors who were married to men!
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I must have skipped that chapter on Roman history. Care to provide a credible link to that comment.
 
apdst said:
So much for the the voice of the people.
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Small minority voted clouded by misinformation. But, the truth is the majority have no business in your marriage, . . . Or mine . . . Or anyone else's.
 
JoeTrumps said:
I must have skipped that chapter on Roman history. Care to provide a credible link to that comment.
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Wait, you really did not know that? Nero and Elagabalus both took on husbands. In fact, most of the Roman emperors had male and female lovers.
 
Boo Radley said:
But, the truth is the majority have no business in your marriage, . . . Or mine . . . Or anyone else's.
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I couldn't agree more. The government needs to get out of the marriage business, too.
 
JoeTrumps said:
I must have skipped that chapter on Roman history. Care to provide a credible link to that comment.
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Nero and Elagabalus. Not exactly a historical secret. In fact, it is something Christians usually use to argue against same sex marriage because Nero was kind of a huge ass to Christians and he was allegedly into some pretty freaky stuff.
 
apdst said:
I couldn't agree more. The government needs to get out of the marriage business, too.
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When it comes to laws and equal representation I think they should be there. After all that is why we have government, right?
 
apdst said:
I couldn't agree more. The government needs to get out of the marriage business, too.
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All talk until someone proposes a federal Constitutional amendment to make it a reality.
 
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