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To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

Of course they are..not accepting other peoples point of view and calling them bigots...

Calling out bigotry doesn't make you a bigot. Calling out racism does not make you a racist. When did conservatives get so whiny?
 
Your response to my statement appears to be in agreement, but your lead-in seems to indicate otherwise. "largely held beliefs revolve around individual freedom and rights..." For now, right? It's what most folks think is right currently. That was my point.

You don't seem to understand. The supreme law of this country is the Constitution, which requires an Amendment, done through a supermajority, to change. And laws must show that they do not violate the Constitution once challenged. Laws on marriage which restrict access to it based on a person's sex/gender in relation to another person violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution because the state cannot show a legitimate state interest is furthered by restricting marriage to opposite sex couples only or from those people who are of the same sex.
 
Horse****. Name one thing they want to have that they don't want you to have.

Children.. without the use of a turkey baster and a receptacle womb..God's blessing??

They should go mincing up to a Mosque hand in hand and see what sort of a reception they get there!!
 
Your hypothetical persecution complex is not something I'm going to discuss in this thread.

It is interesting to me that liberals think the world is fair for the most part, or that humans are basically "good" inside. There are countless examples of the genocide of millions of human beings based on the meanest criteria.
I personally believe in an absolute Truth. God. An absolute authority. That is my point, not a fear of a falling sky. If we are reliant only on the choice of the majority or even super-majority, then Hitler was not ultimately bad nor wrong, he was simply not popular enough.
 
Come on..they don't want equal rights..they want superiority..

Tell me something they are pushing for that you wouldn't also get the right to do/for as well.

When same sex couples are allowed to marry, this means that anyone, gay, straight, bi, or asexual can marry a person of the same sex, not just homosexuals. When same sex couples/gays are allowed to adopt children, this means anyone who can show the same ability to care for a child regardless of their sexuality or relationship to another adult of the same sex can adopt children. They only will have to meet the same requirements as opposite sex couples or heterosexuals. If laws are changed to protect sexuality from being used against a person in commerce or hiring/firing decisions, then they will apply to heterosexuals as well. Because as of right now, in any state that doesn't have such laws, heterosexuals can be fired for their sexuality the same as homosexuals can. Hate crime laws will apply to heterosexuals too. If they are the target of a crime just based on animosity toward their sexuality, then they can receive the same judicial benefits placed on their attackers.
 
You don't seem to understand. The supreme law of this country is the Constitution, which requires an Amendment, done through a supermajority, to change. And laws must show that they do not violate the Constitution once challenged. Laws on marriage which restrict access to it based on a person's sex/gender in relation to another person violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution because the state cannot show a legitimate state interest is furthered by restricting marriage to opposite sex couples only or from those people who are of the same sex.

I assure you, I understand.
 
It is interesting to me that liberals think the world is fair for the most part, or that humans are basically "good" inside. There are countless examples of the genocide of millions of human beings based on the meanest criteria.
I personally believe in an absolute Truth. God. An absolute authority. That is my point, not a fear of a falling sky. If we are reliant only on the choice of the majority or even super-majority, then Hitler was not ultimately bad nor wrong, he was simply not popular enough.

The point is not that those of us for same sex marriage or gay rights believe that the world is fair or has ever been fair. We want to push to make the world more fair for everyone. Or at least that is one of my goals.

And this has nothing to do with what you believe God wants. I believe God loves gay people and has no issue with their relationships at all. The truth is that you cannot prove me wrong, here, right now, in this life.
 
Tell me something they are pushing for that you wouldn't also get the right to do/for as well.

Heterosexuals can be fired for their sexuality the same as homosexuals can. Hate crime laws will apply to heterosexuals too. If they are the target of a crime just based on animosity toward their sexuality, then they can receive the same judicial benefits placed on their attackers.

Sorry.I have never heard of a heterosexual being fired for being straight..:lamo
 
Sorry.I have never heard of a heterosexual being fired for being straight..:lamo

Doesn't matter if you've never heard of it, it can still happen, but is still protected against with laws that include sexuality as protected against a reason to fire or not hire a person.

The fact that it doesn't happen enough (if it ever has) that you have never heard of it, should tell you that right now straight people are much more likely to unjustly fire someone based on their choice of spouse/person to be in a relationship with than people of other sexualities.
 
Doesn't matter if you've never heard of it, it can still happen, but is still protected against with laws that include sexuality as protected against a reason to fire or not hire a person.

The fact that it doesn't happen enough (if it ever has) that you have never heard of it, should tell you that right now straight people are much more likely to unjustly fire someone based on their choice of spouse/person to be in a relationship with than people of other sexualities.

This post is rubbish..

Boss ''I am firing you because you are heterosexual''

Eh??..

We had our first gay manager six months ago..he got fired because he could not control his basic instincts..
 
Yes..I do accept that homosexuals have the right to ''marry''

Two people who love each other should have the right..

However..I can't help feeling uncomfortable about it..
Actually, you can.
 
This post is rubbish..

Boss ''I am firing you because you are heterosexual''

Eh??..

We had our first gay manager six months ago..he got fired because he could not control his basic instincts..

It's not "rubbish". It is the truth, no matter what you have seen or believe about these laws. The laws will be applied equally, regardless of sexuality. How often do you see cases of white people being fired because they are white? How often do you see cases of men being fired because they are men? I'd bet not very often, but when laws were made against firing people on the basis of their race or gender, they still applied to these potential cases. The same is true with laws against sexuality being used as a reason to fire someone.

If he was doing something wrong (such as hitting on people at work or doing something inappropriate at work), he deserved to be fired. If he simply was in a same sex relationship outside of work and was fired because others felt that being in a same sex relationship constituted not being able to "control his basic instincts", then that was wrong.
 
The point is not that those of us for same sex marriage or gay rights believe that the world is fair or has ever been fair. We want to push to make the world more fair for everyone. Or at least that is one of my goals.

And this has nothing to do with what you believe God wants. I believe God loves gay people and has no issue with their relationships at all. The truth is that you cannot prove me wrong, here, right now, in this life.


I applaud your goals. It is what God would want. God does love gay people. He loves all of us. Whether he has issues about particular choices we make, it would depend which god you are talking about. My God makes it clear.
 
It's not "rubbish". It is the truth, no matter what you have seen or believe about these laws. The laws will be applied equally, regardless of sexuality. How often do you see cases of white people being fired because they are white? How often do you see cases of men being fired because they are men? I'd bet not very often, but when laws were made against firing people on the basis of their race or gender, they still applied to these potential cases. The same is true with laws against sexuality being used as a reason to fire someone.

If he was doing something wrong (such as hitting on people at work or doing something inappropriate at work), he deserved to be fired. If he simply was in a same sex relationship outside of work and was fired because others felt that being in a same sex relationship constituted not being able to "control his basic instincts", then that was wrong.

Yep..he was in a same sex relationship but apparently could not stop himself from sexually harassing people who were not gay!
 
Doesn't matter if you've never heard of it, it can still happen, but is still protected against with laws that include sexuality as protected against a reason to fire or not hire a person.

The fact that it doesn't happen enough (if it ever has) that you have never heard of it, should tell you that right now straight people are much more likely to unjustly fire someone based on their choice of spouse/person to be in a relationship with than people of other sexualities.

You might think so, and I'm sure it happens, but it isn't an attribute an any anti-gay person exclusively. If we are going anecdotal: I worked formerly for a rather large company. One business unit within the company had primarily gay management heads and was made up primarily of gays. This seems to suggest a prejudice, as it wasn't indicative of the % of gays in the population at large, nor of the particular part of the business.
 
I applaud your goals. It is what God would want. God does love gay people. He loves all of us. Whether he has issues about particular choices we make, it would depend which god you are talking about. My God makes it clear.
You have your church where you can hold to those views and practice the weddings as you see fit...but you don't get to impose your religious views upon the rest of society in the realm of law/civil marriage.
 
I applaud your goals. It is what God would want. God does love gay people. He loves all of us. Whether he has issues about particular choices we make, it would depend which god you are talking about. My God makes it clear.

Why..have gay people invented their own god now??
 
You have your church where you can hold to those views and practice the weddings as you see fit...but you don't get to impose your religious views upon the rest of society in the realm of law/civil marriage.

That has been my point all along. We all impose our religious (or lack thereof views) on others in the creation of any law. Somehow we are pretending the system is better than this, but it is what it is.
 
Yep..he was in a same sex relationship but apparently could not stop himself from sexually harassing people who were not gay!

Then that was wrong and why he was fired, which has nothing to do with his actually being gay, but rather his inappropriate behavior at work.
 
Why..have gay people invented their own god now??

Gay People? Are they all in lock step with each other?
Everyone who believes in God but disregards his Truth bows their own god. Usually it is ourselves, but often it is ourselves disguised as something other.
 
You might think so, and I'm sure it happens, but it isn't an attribute an any anti-gay person exclusively. If we are going anecdotal: I worked formerly for a rather large company. One business unit within the company had primarily gay management heads and was made up primarily of gays. This seems to suggest a prejudice, as it wasn't indicative of the % of gays in the population at large, nor of the particular part of the business.

And under laws that protect unfair treatment based on sexuality, if it could be shown that sexuality was considered in who got hired, fired, or promotions, then there could easily be a legitimate case against such a company.

My point was that, right now, from the way it seems, sexuality considerations in regards to hiring, firing, and promotions tends to favor heterosexuality, not homosexuality, if it favors any sexuality. This may not be the case in certain companies, but in general, it is true.
 
That has been my point all along. We all impose our religious (or lack thereof views) on others in the creation of any law. Somehow we are pretending the system is better than this, but it is what it is.
Um, no, that was the difference I was highlighting by contrasting your religious beliefs against the concepts of individual secular rights. It is not a matter of religion vs atheism. Secular is not atheistic.
 
Welcome to the 50% divorce rate. Enjoy your alimony.

Heterosexuals tend to be poorer and younger when they marry, and the most frequent cause of divorce is financial issues. More gay marriages will probably bring the divorce rate down. You're welcome. Now stop mucking about and teach heterosexual kids to use birth control so they don't marry at 19 because they have a baby. Another situation that no homosexual couple has ever found itself in.

Why..have gay people invented their own god now??

It doesn't matter. God doesn't have standing in American courts.
 
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