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SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

yobarnacle said:
Parents training THEIR kids in family values and traditions and religious beliefs is NOT brainwashing.

it's what parents are SUPPOSED to do.

Hired teachers, supposedly 'public" servants enforcing THEIR political ideaologies on OUR children, is something they are supposed NOT to do.

I'd willingly horsewhip and face brand any teacher I caught trying to brainwash my children.

They'd DESERVE it!
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You would be in jail
 
This decision might never have happened, or even gone to the SCOTUS, if government had not already become involved in the institution a couple of generations ago.

Easy marriages, quicky divorces, the women's movement, sexual liberation, and the Lee Marvin palimony case all watered down marriage until it now means less than ever in any western culture. Polygamy may be next but so what? If they are honest and decent people involved than it shouldn't matter to any of us.
 
yobarnacle said:
Just as Joe McCarthy warned in the 50s, the socialists have taken over the education and media.

No wonder so many folks took their kids out of public schools.

In addition, the estimated homeschooling rate?the percentage of the school-age population that was being homeschooled?increased from 1.7 percent in 1999 to 2.2 percent in 2003 (not shown in tables or figures).

Still looking for CURRENT rates.

these are kids you DIDN"T get to brainwash.

And there are millions more in fundamentalist church affiliated schools, (not parochial) who ALSO avoided liberal/socialist brainwashing.

Most of these children are being taught self reliance and respect for traditional values.

The right is NOT a dying breed.

The left is self destructive. They create non-sustainable government.

So which cities are going to be without electricity, when Obama shuts down the coal fired power plants?
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Something tells me this crazy rightwing post was intended for another thread, but you know, it hardly matters. Rightwing posts are all crazy in the same way.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
What does procreation have to do with the question I asked you?
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I was anticipating, perhaps incorrectly, where you were going with the question since the only real difference between homosexual and heterosexual married couples is that heterosexual couples can, in the majority of cases, conceive naturally while homosexual couples cannot.

That aside homosexual couples get the same things out of marriage that heterosexual couples do.
 
Gaius46 said:
I was anticipating, perhaps incorrectly, where you were going with the question since the only real difference between homosexual and heterosexual married couples is that heterosexual couples can, in the majority of cases, conceive naturally while homosexual couples cannot.

That aside homosexual couples get the same things out of marriage that heterosexual couples do.
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Which is?
 
yobarnacle said:
Parents training THEIR kids in family values and traditions and religious beliefs is NOT brainwashing.

it's what parents are SUPPOSED to do.

Hired teachers, supposedly 'public" servants enforcing THEIR political ideaologies on OUR children, is something they are supposed NOT to do.

I'd willingly horsewhip and face brand any teacher I caught trying to brainwash my children.

They'd DESERVE it!
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But those fundamentalist schools don't brain wash their students?
 
Gaius46 said:
Aside from the cornucopia of legal ones?

Societal recognition of their commitment to each other.
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Why would these couples care about societal recognition? The couples I have interacted with are strictly about the benefits...
 
Gaius46 said:
But those fundamentalist schools don't brain wash their students?
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No. They teach the principles the childs parents WANT taught, or the parents remove them from the school. the parents pay EXTRA for such private education. they also pay though realestate taxes for public education, whether it's of value or not.

chafes my butt to pay for liberal teachers to preach their nonsense.
That's ONE of the things we need to change before it's too late.
 
winston53660 said:
You would be in jail
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probably.

I don't presume i'd be lucky enough or careful enough not to get caught. And probably not lucky enough to draw a jury of my 'peers" that believed it was justified.

But I haven't spent my life seeking approval from others. I give approval. To others, and to myself. I have to live with the fella I see in the mirror. fortunately, he and I have the same POV. :)


oh, my children are all grown and successful and safe from liberal schooling.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Why would these couples care about societal recognition? The couples I have interacted with are strictly about the benefits...
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And the heterosexual couples you know?

I fail to see the point of this. Are you suggesting that heterosexual couples marry for reasons other than the bennies and that homosexual couples do not? Can you back that up or your contention above with something more than anecdotes?

And even if its true so what? Those benefits are significant.
 
Gaius46 said:
And the heterosexual couples you know?

I fail to see the point of this. Are you suggesting that heterosexual outlets marry for reasons other than the bennies? Can you back that up or our contention above with nothing more than anecdotes?

And even if its true o what? Th benefits are significant.
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I'm not ware of anyone who married for the benefits provided by government, as they tend to work both ways. The usual reasons are moral ones...
 
yobarnacle said:
No. They teach the principles the childs parents WANT taught, or the parents remove them from the school. the parents pay EXTRA for such private education. they also pay though realestate taxes for public education, whether it's of value or not.

chafes my butt to pay for liberal teachers to preach their nonsense.
That's ONE of the things we need to change before it's too late.
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Poe's Law is in effect.


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Re: DOMA unconstitutional. 5-4 decision.

AGENT J said:
LMAO i just listed the rights AGAIN and you are trying to ignore them, its not working nobody honest buys it, im not bitter at all im laughing at the entertainment.

Also per the second argument of discrimination that has been heard in court and stated by judges I do not have equal rights so you are wrong yet again

lastly your example of MOVING doesnt apply nor is it equal because others would not have to move and i would, so you fail again.

now if you would stop dodging and explain the logic behind your inane statement that marriage will be forced, this is like the tenth time you dodged it, we are waiting lol
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You keep talking marriage rights but you have them.
And you have all the rights anyone else has.
Are you just complaining as a way to establish some kind of rep as a malcontent among some here?
I guess that's it. I'll let you go now that we've made that clear.
See you around. Be well.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
What is the point of SSM, other than the obvious benefits one might gain?
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The same point of every individual OSM, for the people to be recognized as legal spouses. They benefit society in the same ways that opposite sex marriages do. They are more stable relationships than any other type. Children benefit from being raised by married parents, whether the bio parents or not. Society has someone to hold financially responsible to a degree for certain debts incurred or costs of that adult, and the person chose this voluntarily. There is an adult who has volunteered to make final decisions, such as medical decisions or burial decisions in the event there is no written directive on this from the person (something people are not required to do).
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I'm not ware of anyone who married for the benefits provided by government, as they tend to work both ways. The usual reasons are moral ones...
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I married for the benefits and rights from the government since my husband and I wanted to make the commitment of marriage anyway. Why not make it legal? Why not get those benefits if we are personally planning to get the marriage?
 
Re: DOMA unconstitutional. 5-4 decision.

bubbabgone said:
1.)You keep talking marriage rights but you have them.
2.)And you have all the rights anyone else has.
3.) Are you just complaining as a way to establish some kind of rep as a malcontent among some here?
4.)I guess that's it.
5.) I'll let you go now that we've made that clear.
6.)See you around. Be well.
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1.) wrong, according to the arguments presented in courts and statements made by judges that they are deciding on this is not true
2.) also false, see 1
3.) nope just stating facts and exposing your failed illogical post
4.) and that would make you wrong again
5.) good move because you lost posts ago run away instead of answering the question you dodged about ten times because it was just gonna make your posts look more silly and illogical
6.) later, let me know the next time you need further educated on this topic or when you are brave enough to answer the question.
 
roguenuke said:
The same point of every individual OSM, for the people to be recognized as legal spouses. They benefit society in the same ways that opposite sex marriages do. They are more stable relationships than any other type. Children benefit from being raised by married parents, whether the bio parents or not. Society has someone to hold financially responsible to a degree for certain debts incurred or costs of that adult, and the person chose this voluntarily. There is an adult who has volunteered to make final decisions, such as medical decisions or burial decisions in the event there is no written directive on this from the person (something people are not required to do).
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You started out well but ended poorly, reverting to the benefits. BTW, no one benefits society by getting married unless society has some definition of what marriage is...
 
roguenuke said:
I married for the benefits and rights from the government since my husband and I wanted to make the commitment of marriage anyway. Why not make it legal? Why not get those benefits if we are personally planning to get the marriage?
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Your "benefits" work both ways. What specifics benefits did you want that could not be obtained in another way?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
You started out well but ended poorly, reverting to the benefits. BTW, no one benefits society by getting married unless society has some definition of what marriage is...
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It has been proven that marriage/married people benefit society.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Your "benefits" work both ways. What specifics benefits did you want that could not be obtained in another way?
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Military benefits. Recognition of legal spouse. Being able to claim spousal SS or for my husband to do this when the time comes as a backup if needed. Among a few. The military benefits were major at the time considering I was active duty and he wasn't.
 
roguenuke said:
It has been proven that marriage/married people benefit society.
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In what way? I will agree that families can be a benefit, but marriage is not necessary for that as a couple can live together without the recognition of marriage by a state entity...
 
roguenuke said:
It has been proven that marriage/married people benefit society.
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It has? What is the benefit? Keep in mind it has to do with marriage itself.
 
roguenuke said:
Military benefits. Recognition of legal spouse. Being able to claim spousal SS or for my husband to do this when the time comes as a backup if needed. Among a few. The military benefits were major at the time considering I was active duty and he wasn't.
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So, as I originally posited, it's all about the benefits...
 
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