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SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

Gaius46 said:
That will only grow over time given the demographics of SSM supporters. Significant majorities of young people support SSM.
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Perhaps, it may also decrease over time.
 
shrubnose said:
Many people on the right would like to see America fail, so that they could say President Obama failed.

America will not fail, it will survive and prosper.

The right will fail.

In about thirty years massive demographic change in the USA (That is going on right now, most babies born right now are born to mothers other than non-Hispanic Whites. Do the math.) will reduce the GOP to a minor, regional, party with no national power.

Don't think so?

Wait and see.

No one can stop time and/or change.

Have a nice day. And a long, wonderful, life in the new, tolerant, America.



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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In case you failed to notice, i'm independent.

the GOP is NOT the right.

Both major parties are big government, big spenders.

I want both to disappear from face of the planet.

tweedledee and tweedledumber.

The RIGHT are conservatives. Which neither GOP or DEMs are.

2014 will be the crossroads. Either we throw out ALL incumbents seeking re-election, and replace them with true conservatives, or the USA ceases to be an individualistic government, and becomes collectivist like the rest of the world.

I hope we can salvage our heritage.

As to the collectivists around the world?

"bleep" :)

Oh, senor. Habla espanol? Yo si. Soy exito en pais multiple. :)
 
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yobarnacle said:
In case you failed to notice, i'm independent.

the GOP is NOT the right.

Both major parties are big government, big spenders.

I want both to disappear from face of the planet.

tweedledee and tweedledumber.

The RIGHT are conservatives. Which neither GOP or DEMs are.

2014 will be the crossroads. Either we throw out ALL incumbents seeking re-election, and replace them with true conservatives, or the USA ceases to be an individualistic government, and becomes collectivist like the rest of the world.

I hope we can salvage our heritage.

As to the collectivists around the world?

"bleep" :)
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Keep dreaming.

The conservatives are going down the tubes with the GOP.

Wait and see.

The clock is ticking.
 
Deuce said:
No, I mean in public. Flaunting your heterosexuality by kissing a woman. It's offensive, did you lack attention as a child?
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Nope.

My parents encouraged me to enroll in every violent activity they/I could find.

as a safe acceptable outlet for my intense aggressiveness.

but I'm STILL me. :)
 
shrubnose said:
Keep dreaming.

The conservatives are going down the tubes with the GOP.

Wait and see.

The clock is ticking.
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Sitting safely in Europe, riots in America wouldn't worry you.

but imagine the turmoil when minorities rioted, escalated by magnitudes if the abused middle class goes on rampage?

I think they'd call that 'revolution", not riot!
 
Re: DOMA unconstitutional. 5-4 decision.

AGENT J said:
here was the answer in post 361
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so to fill in the blanks,
rights not to be unfairly discriminated against, equality protections and marriage would all be an issue
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You originally said you're fighting for your rights given to others, or some such thing, so I asked you what rights you don't have that everyone else has.
You said you're not gay so what you just said doesn't apply.
And even if you WERE gay if you move to the right state even THAT wouldn't apply.
So really, everything in your sig line is a reality.
Why do you sound so bitter and act so put upon.
 
yobarnacle said:
Sitting safely in Europe, riots in America wouldn't worry you.

but imagine the turmoil when minorities rioted, escalated by magnitudes if the abused middle class goes on rampage?

I think they'd call that 'revolution", not riot!
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I am confident in the ability of the United States police forces and military to put down any far right insurrection.
 
shrubnose said:
I am confident in the ability of the United States police forces and military to put down any far right insurrection.
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Do you think liberals join the military?

The military is we conservatives, and sworn to uphold and defend the constitution.

Nobody swears allegiance to any politician in THIs country's military. :)
 
Re: DOMA unconstitutional. 5-4 decision.

bubbabgone said:
You originally said you're fighting for your rights given to others, or some such thing, so I asked you what rights you don't have that everyone else has.
You said you're not gay so what you just said doesn't apply.
And even if you WERE gay if you move to the right state even THAT wouldn't apply.
So really, everything in your sig line is a reality.
Why do you sound so bitter and act so put upon.
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LMAO i just listed the rights AGAIN and you are trying to ignore them, its not working nobody honest buys it, im not bitter at all im laughing at the entertainment.

Also per the second argument of discrimination that has been heard in court and stated by judges I do not have equal rights so you are wrong yet again

lastly your example of MOVING doesnt apply nor is it equal because others would not have to move and i would, so you fail again.

now if you would stop dodging and explain the logic behind your inane statement that marriage will be forced, this is like the tenth time you dodged it, we are waiting lol
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, it wasn't a point made in the constitution, who said that? It was a point made in the prohibition of polygamy by legislation.

But I did not expect you to address the point directly, you seldom do.
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The point of a SCOTUS blog is how the SCOTUS will treat Constitutional issues. If plural marriage is deemed to pass Constitutional muster then the intent of a legislative prohibition of polygamy won't carry much weight. And btw, polyandry will have as much standing as polygamy, so plural marriage is a better term.:cool:
 
Jack Hays said:
The point of a SCOTUS blog is how the SCOTUS will treat Constitutional issues. If plural marriage is deemed to pass Constitutional muster then the intent of a legislative prohibition of polygamy won't carry much weight. And btw, polyandry will have as much standing as polygamy, so plural marriage is a better term.:cool:
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Jack....we already have fed legislation against polygamy, it has passed challenges, it remains on the books.
 
Somerville said:
I would think first you would have to have a case in which a witch has been burned, or has been ordered to be burned, after being condemned under the laws of one of the states. No such law - then no need for the SCOTUS to rule on any such action.
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Actually they only have to show that a law causes them some sort of harm, it doesn't have to be criminal or physical harm. It can be merely being inconvenienced more than another group or treated differently than another group because of a law.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Jack....we already have fed legislation against polygamy, it has passed challenges, it remains on the books.
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Any legal argument based on the rights of people to marry whomever they claim they love will be able to be used to challenge laws against polygamy just as surely as they might be used to challenge laws against homosexual marriage. I GUARANTEE challenges to anti-polygamy laws will be coming if homosexuals are successful in their challenges. There are already groups working toward that end.
 
yobarnacle said:
Do you think liberals join the military?

The military is we conservatives, and sworn to uphold and defend the constitution.

Nobody swears allegiance to any politician in THIs country's military. :)
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You are 100 percent wrong.

President Obama is a politician and he is also the Commander-In-Chief of the U.S. military.

Every enlisted person who joins the U.S. Military takes an oath to obey his orders.

That is a fact. Whether you like it or not.

Check it out: United States Armed Forces oath of enlistment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I knew this without looking it up because I served in the U.S. Regular Army for 6 years and I am somewhat liberal.

You are out of touch with reality.




"Better days are coming." ~ ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
shrubnose said:
You are 100 percent wrong.

President Obama is a politician and he is also the Commander-In-Chief of the U.S. military.

Every enlisted person who joins the U.S. Military takes an oath to obey his orders.

That is a fact. Whether you like it or not.

Check it out: United States Armed Forces oath of enlistment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I knew this without looking it up because I served in the U.S. Regular Army for 6 years and I am somewhat liberal.

You are out of touch with reality.




"Better days are coming." ~ ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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Oath of Commissioned Officers

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I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

troops obey their officers, and Obama ain't president much longer.

But imagine the precedents at power grabbing he initiated, but in the hands of, and enlarged upon, by a "conservative" president!

I will enjoy your rage! :)

The enlisted oath is to obey the "office" of the president. Not a renegade individual. Orders come down the chain of command. Unlikely many military enlisted would receive DIRECT orders from any president.
 
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yobarnacle said:
Do you think liberals join the military?

The military is we conservatives, and sworn to uphold and defend the constitution.

Nobody swears allegiance to any politician in THIs country's military. :)
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Where do you get this painfully stupid ****? I was not even remotely the only liberal in my command when I served.
 
yobarnacle said:
Oath of Commissioned Officers

Oath of Commissioned Officers Download Poster
Oath of Commissioned Officers Download PDF
I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

troops obey their officers, and Obama ain't president much longer.

But imagine the precedents at power grabbing he initiated, but in the hands of, and enlarged upon, by a "conservative" president!

I will enjoy your rage! :)
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Obama will be President of the USA until he is replaced by another Democrat in 2017.

Until then he will be telling the U.S. Military what to do and they will be saluting him and doing it.

Deal with it.



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
shrubnose said:
Obama will be President of the USA until he is replaced by another Democrat in 2017.

Until then he will be telling the U.S. Military what to do and they will be saluting him and doing it.

Deal with it.



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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I doubt that President Christie will change his party affiliation.:mrgreen:
 
Redress said:
Where do you get this painfully stupid ****? I was not even remotely the only liberal in my command when I served.
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It's a standard, piece of bull****, GOP talking point.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
Jack Hays said:
I doubt that President Christie will change his party affiliation.:mrgreen:
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As things stand now(and lordy is that a big caveat), it seems unlikely Christie would get the nomination.
 
shrubnose said:
Obama will be President of the USA until he is replaced by another Democrat in 2017.

Until then he will be telling the U.S. Military what to do and they will be saluting him and doing it.

Deal with it.



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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I'm not having a problem with the US military.

I'm a Viet Nam vet.

I don't WANT the USA to fall apart.

I'm concerned that the road to perdition the USA is traveling WILL destroy the USA.

My point is, socialists CAN NOT STEAL this country.

Not while we have arms. and they obviously KNOW this, since they strive mightily to disarm us. THAT ain't happening.
 
Jack Hays said:
I doubt that President Christie will change his party affiliation.:mrgreen:
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The only way that Christie will ever see the inside of the White House is as a visitor.

Wait and see.
 
mac said:
Actually, history shows that these types of things fluctuate up and down.
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Not these types of issues. History shows no such thing. History shows us that when it comes to what is considered "rights" for groups of people, support only increases until it reaches point, well above 90% support, where change beyond that is going to go very slow if it happens at all. But it is not likely to turn back.

This issue is nothing like abortion, and I know that is the issue many want to use in comparison. This issue is like interracial marriage, as far as being able to compare it to an issue like it in the past.
 
yobarnacle said:
Do you think liberals join the military?

The military is we conservatives, and sworn to uphold and defend the constitution.

Nobody swears allegiance to any politician in THIs country's military. :)
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Yes, liberals join the military, as do independents.
 
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