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SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

I am one person, one opinion, one vote. But many think and feel similarly as I do. I do not presume to speak for anyone else, yet I do speak a concern shared by many millions of americans.

And yet the MAJORITY of Americans disagree with you. Don't forget that.

Supreme court justices can ALSO be impeached.

And they can be heralded for their excellent service.

We will have to wait until 2014 to see if wimpy congress gets any courage by infusion of fresh blood. :)

Or if Congress has the courage to support brave and intelligent decisions like today's.
 
And yet the MAJORITY of Americans disagree with you. Don't forget that.



And they can be heralded for their excellent service.



Or if Congress has the courage to support brave and intelligent decisions like today's.

The supposed majority is 53% + or - 3% on the gallop poll, on a 1500+ sample WEIGHTED as Gallop decided to weight (raw unweighted response not published)

so that's usually called roughly HALF the people, not a CLEAR CONVINCING MAJORITY!
 
Gays can do what they want in the privacy of the bedroom. The problem is they won't let it STAY in the bedroom.

Where in ANY federal or state law is it ok to flaunt sexuality?

Discretion please, and marriage belongs to heterosexuals. Invent something new.

And invent some new words to describe yourself. Rainbow doesn't belong to you, nor gay for that matter. Old Fred Flintstone can't have a gay old time now days.

if you want respect? GIVE SOME!

I don't want respect from someone like you, at all. In fact, count your blessings that 17 years of DOMA is not followed by a 17 year ban on hetero marriage. That's frankly what people like you deserve.
 
The supposed majority is 53% + or - 3% on the gallop poll, on a 1500+ sample WEIGHTED as Gallop decided to weight (raw unweighted response not published)

so that's usually called roughly HALF the people, not a CLEAR CONVINCING MAJORITY!

Plenty of polls out there, ranging in support from 53% to 57%. A majority is a majority. Also, so you are aware, age demographics shows 18-29 year olds support SSM with 73% and 30-44 year olds support it with 59%. As time goes on, the majority who support it will get larger... something we've seen consistently since 1996.
 
The supposed majority is 53% + or - 3% on the gallop poll, on a 1500+ sample WEIGHTED as Gallop decided to weight (raw unweighted response not published)

so that's usually called roughly HALF the people, not a CLEAR CONVINCING MAJORITY!

Compared to 44% against, far more than half, and I'm guessing you've never taken a basic research class if you think 1500 is not an adequate sample size. Give it up. Ten years ago it was at 30% for. This is a consensus that national gay marriage is as inevitable as the hate you represent dying off.
 
I don't want respect from someone like you, at all. In fact, count your blessings that 17 years of DOMA is not followed by a 17 year ban on hetero marriage. That's frankly what people like you deserve.

It might be a GOOD thing for your "majority" to pass a ban on hetero marriage! :)

That might shock enough americans out of their apathy to rise up and restore our country to some semblance of it's former self! :)
 
Compared to 44% against, far more than half, and I'm guessing you've never taken a basic research class if you think 1500 is not an adequate sample size. Give it up. Ten years ago it was at 30% for. This is a consensus that national gay marriage is as inevitable as the hate you represent dying off.

I don't hate homosexuals.

I even understand their point of view that they are as "normal" as anyone else.

I am disgruntled that people who SHOULD know better, fall for it! :)
 
I don't hate homosexuals.

I even understand their point of view that they are as "normal" as anyone else.

I am disgruntled that people who SHOULD know better, fall for it! :)

Wait... so you admit they are normal but are disgruntled that people fall for... what?
 
Let's see if gay people, when given the chance, are equally as disrespectful of the institution of marriage as heterosexuals have been in the last half century. With divorce rates well over 50% of all marriages, I'm not sure why anyone would want to expand into such a failed enterprise. People today want to get out of virtually every commitment they make, whether it's because they rushed into it or because they now think they've found a better deal.

Heterosexuals like to characterize gays as being hedonistic, multi-partner, orgy mongering pedophiles who need to have sex with everything that moves. Let's see if gays, when married, can teach the rest of us something about lifetime commitments. It would be a good thing, if it happens. However, I'm pretty sure that gays are just as screwed up as the rest of us.

Today was an exceptionally good day for divorce lawyers everywhere.
 
Wait... so you admit they are normal but are disgruntled that people fall for... what?

I didn't say they were "normal". Obviously homosexuals are different and NOT normal.

I intended to say, I understand their desire to be accepted as "normal".

I'm appalled at heteros who accept the propaganda that homosexuality is "OKAY".

An old saying. "He who believes in nothing, will fall for anything!"
 
I didn't say they were "normal". Obviously homosexuals are different and NOT normal.

Statistically, I agree. In any other sense, homosexuals are completely normal.

I intended to say, I understand their desire to be accepted as "normal".

OK.

I'm appalled at heteros who accept the propaganda that homosexuality is "OKAY".

An old saying. "He who believes in nothing, will fall for anything!"

Since homosexuality is normal... as proven by research, anyone who accepts this is accepting facts... and anyone who doesn't is denying facts.
 
Statistically, I agree. In any other sense, homosexuals are completely normal.



OK.



Since homosexuality is normal... as proven by research, anyone who accepts this is accepting facts... and anyone who doesn't is denying facts.

That is current liberal social philosophy and heavily published.

Just read the comments:

Is homosexuality normal? - Yahoo! Answers

I can understand the desire to be accepted.
Does ANYONE here understand the "desire" to NOT accept something alien to ALL my beliefs and upbringing?
I suppose you could TRY to make a case, I was reared in an evil hateful culture.
But, as example, for my 4th birthday, I requested to be allowed to go to the movies by myself, since I was a big boy.
The rest of the family could go to a different movie, I wasn't being selfish, just exercising cutting a few apron strings.
My parents let me, and it was a successful adventure. (1952)
Who in their right mind would let a 4 year old go to the movies alone today?
It was a BETTER time. A BETTER culture!
People were MORE civilized and all that has passed,
and "accepting" homosexuality is as VERY CLEAR SYMPTOM of a world gone awry!

Ten Signs of a Culture's End

Ten Signs of a Culture's End
 
That is current liberal social philosophy and heavily published.

Actually, it's accurate based on plenty of research that some conservatives just deny... even though these conservatives have no facts to support them

Just read the comments:

Is homosexuality normal? - Yahoo! Answers

I can understand the desire to be accepted.
Does ANYONE here understand the "desire" to NOT accept something alien to ALL my beliefs and upbringing?
I suppose you could TRY to make a case, I was reared in an evil hateful culture.
But, as example, for my 4th birthday, I requested to be allowed to go to the movies by myself, since I was a big boy.
The rest of the family could go to a different movie, I wasn't being selfish, just exercising cutting a few apron strings.
My parents let me, and it was a successful adventure. (1952)
Who in their right mind would let a 4 year old go to the movies alone today?
It was a BETTER time. A BETTER culture!
People were MORE civilized and all that has passed,
and "accepting" homosexuality is as VERY CLEAR SYMPTOM of a world gone awry!

Ten Signs of a Culture's End

Ten Signs of a Culture's End

Irrelevant opinions that have no basis in reality. I deal with facts. The above has none.
 
Actually, it's accurate based on plenty of research that some conservatives just deny... even though these conservatives have no facts to support them



Irrelevant opinions that have no basis in reality. I deal with facts. The above has none.

Au contraire.
I just gave you a whole BUNCH of facts.
That you CHOOSE not to accept.
So YOU are self relegated to the SAME status as you accord me.
An inconsequential lone opinion of denial. :)
 
Au contraire.
I just gave you a whole BUNCH of facts.
That you CHOOSE not to accept.
So YOU are self relegated to the SAME status as you accord me.
An inconsequential lone opinion of denial. :)

You gave me no facts. You gave me the opinions of a bunch of people with no substantiation. Facts are supported by research and data. You provided none. I have facts. You do not. If you believe you do, show me some reliable and credible research that shows that homosexuality is NOT normal. Links are required. Opinions without research are not relevant.
 
You gave me no facts. You gave me the opinions of a bunch of people with no substantiation. Facts are supported by research and data. You provided none. I have facts. You do not. If you believe you do, show me some reliable and credible research that shows that homosexuality is NOT normal. Links are required. Opinions without research are not relevant.

I said in more than one post, that acceptance of homosexuality is a symptom concurrent with and predictive of a civilizations fall.
"Those who don't study history, are doomed to repeat it."
The topic 'Civilization Decline' is as important as any OTHER field of study, and much has been written about it over the centuries.

"That thing we call civilization is the tangible expression of a society's intelligence; what is decaying in our community is our mental powers; as individuals, as groups, as communities, we are losing the ability to think clearly. Naturally as our perception decays so does the effectiveness of our administration and the impact of our technology — our strength and understanding. Discovering why a civilization rises and falls, is learning how a society gains then loses comprehension. "


What is declining when a civilization declines (November 2001)




The dumbing down of America is REAL!
 
I said in more than one post, that acceptance of homosexuality is a symptom concurrent with and predictive of a civilizations fall.
"Those who don't study history, are doomed to repeat it."
The topic 'Civilization Decline' is as important as any OTHER field of study, and much has been written about it over the centuries.

"That thing we call civilization is the tangible expression of a society's intelligence; what is decaying in our community is our mental powers; as individuals, as groups, as communities, we are losing the ability to think clearly. Naturally as our perception decays so does the effectiveness of our administration and the impact of our technology — our strength and understanding. Discovering why a civilization rises and falls, is learning how a society gains then loses comprehension. "


What is declining when a civilization declines (November 2001)




The dumbing down of America is REAL!

An article written by someone with no research or substantiation is meaningless. Post a study that shows that homosexuality is abnormal and you will have something to discuss. So far, you have produced nothing of substance.
 
An article written by someone with no research or substantiation is meaningless. Post a study that shows that homosexuality is abnormal and you will have something to discuss. So far, you have produced nothing of substance.

Of course you want to dictate what I should post.
I can find 'experts" from earlier times but your response likely will be, disproved by "modern" research.

My point isn't about the psychology of homosexuals. whether or not they can function responsibly in society.

My argument is, what happens, has ALWAYS happened, to societies that DID and WHEN it accepted homosexuality.

I don't hate homosexuals.

I HATE that a society, our country, a civilization of great merit now ENDORSES homosexuality, to it's ruin.
 
Of course you want to dictate what I should post.

No, I want you to post facts. If you are going to make assertions of fact, you need to substantiate. If you just want to post your opinions, make sure you identify them as "just your opinion".

I can find 'experts" from earlier times but your response likely will be, disproved by "modern" research.

Correct. And I will substantiate my response with links.

My point isn't about the psychology of homosexuals. whether or not they can function responsibly in society.

OK.

My argument is, what happens, has ALWAYS happened, to societies that DID and WHEN it accepted homosexuality.

And that's an appeal to tradition logical fallacy which doesn't pass the logic test.

I don't hate homosexuals.

Good.

I HATE that a society, our country, a civilization of great merit now ENDORSES homosexuality, to it's ruin.

And that's your opinion. And you are entitled to it. But if you try to masquerade it as a fact, you need to present some research or substantiation that supports it.
 
The standards of marriage have been modified to include SS couples and nothing else. Any arguments against polygamy and incest that existed before SSM are still valid now. You are making a strawman argument because you have nothing.

I am pointing out that the very same legal argument for gay marriage holds for polygamy and incest. As I said a while ago, I don't oppose gay marriage, I oppose the argument being used for it because it was far too broad in scope and applied to far to many other potential unions. Having won on that argument they've now given legal standing to any of those other unions that wish to challenge the law prohibiting them.

Also, you don't seem to understand what a straw man argument is.
 
You do have a right to be angry, but your anger is no justification for disallowing SSM. You are going to have to come up with a better argument than that.

And multiple polls show this, it is a well known fact that this country is for SSM.

By a very slim margin.
 
"My argument is, what happens, has ALWAYS happened, to societies that DID and WHEN it accepted homosexuality. "
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"And that's an appeal to tradition logical fallacy which doesn't pass the logic test."

Logic test? It's history. What logic test?

I've given you a couple of studies, and there are at least dozens, showing symptoms shared by societies in decline, failing, falling.

History has been studied longer than psychology! :)
 
Of the twenty-two civilizations that have appeared in history, nineteen of them collapsed when they reached the moral state the United States is in now.”
― Arnold Joseph Toynbee


“Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.”
― Arnold Joseph Toynbee

The British historian Arnold Joseph Toynbee was born in London on 14 April 1889 and died on 22 October 1975 in York, North Yorkshire, England. He was educated at Winchester College and Balliol College, Oxford. He was the nephew of economic historian Arnold Toynbee, with whom he is sometimes confused. His first marriage to Rosalind Murray, with whom he had three sons, ended in divorce in 1946. Professor Toynbee then married Veronica M. Boulter, his research assistant.
From 1919 to 1924 Arnold J. Toynbee was professor of modern Greek and Byzantine history at King's College, London. From 1925 until 1955 Professor Toynbee served as research professor and Director of Studies at the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Arnold Joseph Toynbee (Author of A Study of History, Abridgement of Vols 1-6)

Arnold Toynbee's A Study of History has been acknowledged as one of the greatest achievements of modern scholarship. A ten-volume analysis of the rise and fall of human civilizations, it is a work of breath-taking breadth and vision.
 
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You can kill babies for convenience, but not criminals in self defense.

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Wrong.

What you can do is obey the law or pay the price.



"Better day's are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
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Those who lost last November will stay on the wrong (Losing.) side of every social issue and continue to lose in the future.

Hard to believe, but wait and see what happens.
 
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