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Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems [W:178]

Misterveritis said:
It was fun.

Topics do wander sometimes. We shall not agree. Fortunately I am right and you are wrong. It is time to do something else.
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It is always easier to claim being correct...rather than proving it.
 
windowdressing said:
At least you're asking a question now, or positing a hypothesis (a cultural
explanation) for these differences, instead of making an unequivocal statement about what the stats show. You have to be careful that the relationship that you think exists between two variables isn't a spurious one, i.e., that there isn't a third variable that explains the relationship. If we held class constant, i.e., if we compared only blacks and whites from the same social class (same years of educational, wealth, occupational prestige, etc.), would these "racial" differences hold? What do you think?

BTW, did you know the following?

"More than half of births to American women younger than 30 are outside marriage, research has found.
And across all ages, a staggering four in ten women are not married when they have children.
The data shows the fastest growth in the past 20 years is among white women in their 20s with some college education but no four-year degree."

The collapse of family life: Most children in U.S. born out of wedlock
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
UPDATED: 22:01 EST, 18 February 2012

Are these white women acting black?
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That data is irrelevent.

The collapse of family unit in recent years isn't isolated to one race.

And the lack of a father figure alone doesn't explain the corruption of inner city neighborhoods.

Repeated cycles of generational welfare, crowded housing units where poverty and crime are rampant.

Children who've been raised in that environment having children and the glorification of that culture.
 
Grant said:
We've already discussed the US Civil War without any protests, why be so sensitive about the Leftist involvement in the Cold War as well? Because they were wrong on Slavery just as they were on Communism?

Of course I can't really blame you for being ashamed of Leftist history, though you can easily recognize it, turn away from it, and start all over with a more open mind. It's not too late.
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must you be a jerk? come on, grow up ... or don't bother me ... thanks ...
 
Grant said:
You can try to debate these points rather then deflecting and turning to Sarah Palin for some strange reason. Running from debate doesn't serve your argument well, whatever it might be.
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unless you have something substantive to say, I'm going to ignore you ... take care ...
 
Fenton said:
That data is irrelevent.

The collapse of family unit in recent years isn't isolated to one race.

And the lack of a father figure alone doesn't explain the corruption of inner city neighborhoods.

Repeated cycles of generational welfare, crowded housing units where poverty and crime are rampant.

Children who've been raised in that environment having children and the glorification of that culture.
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the data are indeed relevant ... look at what I was responding to ...

we actually agree on several points, but be careful not to confound culture with class .... the classic culture of poverty argument is flawed .... Are the poor poor because they have the wrong values or do they have the values they have because they're poor? ... the majority of the poor stay poor for a relativelty short period of time ... if it's culture, why would this be? Why is it so hard for Americans to talk about class?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You have absolutely no understanding of the thing you are arguing, "other people's money" refers to BONDS. You are talking about FIAT CURRENCY, and the US dollar is VERY STRONG. Your argument is so totally clueless.
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We are buying back our bonds with worthless money.

So far, you have not been able to show how I do not understand anything, but it is very clear you have no understanding of YOUR OWN ARGUMENT while you rely upon Bricherisms.
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This is funny. The nation is broke. The instruments of government power are being used against the American people (IRS). The EPA is about to be used as a weapon of mass impoverishment by this Democratic president and the democratic party. We are about to have the nation's culture and voters dramatically altered by the addition of nearly 50 million poor, uneducated people. These things are treason. What part of this is causing you problems?
 
windowdressing said:
the data are indeed relevant ... look at what I was responding to ...


we actually agree on several points, but be careful not to confound culture with class .... the classic culture of poverty argument is flawed .... Are the poor poor because they have the wrong values or do they have the values they have because they're poor? ... the majority of the poor stay poor for a relativelty short period of time ... if it's culture, why would this be? Why is it so hard for Americans to talk about class?
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Class is far easier to transcend than Culture.

The Poor are born poor because of class ( and/or because of the bad decisions of their parent(s) ), they stay poor because of culture.

Meld the classes together ( hypothetical ) through some god for saken Govt mandate while keeping intact the free markets and the class divisions will return.

You cannot stop human nature.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
If a race-based culture is the problem, as so many statistics overwhelmingly show it to be, then to ignore it, as you suggest, is to continue the stupidity.
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People are quick to point to race as a factor, when (at least in my opinion) it has much more to do with a person's economic status than their race. That is not to say that racism is something we should ignore, or that racism doesnt exist. I am simply stating that money plays a huge role in most things. If you think rich black kids, and poor black kids are treated the same, or that rich white kids and poor ones are, you are sadly mistaken. In my experiences schools, like many things dont care about your race, they care about money. I am not saying to ignore anything, i am saying there is more to it, much more, than simply race.
 
Come on she nailed it. Face it most of the public employee union members of the police, fire and public schools are white and with future unattenable defined benefits, free of obamacare health insurance taxes, and impossible to terminate contracts for employment they are among the rich and probably are mostly white.

American said:
Lewis Points Finger At ‘Rich White People’ For School Problems « CBS Chicago


Astounding! Even with a black mayor, it's the whites' fault. :doh
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CalGun said:
Come on she nailed it. Face it most of the public employee union members of the police, fire and public schools are white and with future unattenable defined benefits, free of obamacare health insurance taxes, and impossible to terminate contracts for employment they are among the rich and probably are mostly white.
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Well lets just make **** up why don't we.
 
CalGun said:
Come on she nailed it. Face it most of the public employee union members of the police, fire and public schools are white and with future unattenable defined benefits, free of obamacare health insurance taxes, and impossible to terminate contracts for employment they are among the rich and probably are mostly white.
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They must be pleased with "White Flight" then so they can do all these things for themselves.
 
I don't apologize for having an opinion - deal with it. I didn't write "factually" or "certainly" I wrote "probably" as I wouldn't even begin to look at where the racial divide of the police, fire and educators of Chicago is; but I will continue to hypothesize that "MOST" are white and I will continue to hypothesize that they are RICH and more responsible for the demise of the public system in that community than any other group of PEOPLE. So ignore me if you don't like my opinion I could care less about yours.

Caine said:
Well lets just make **** up why don't we.
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Gimmesometruth said:
Thomas Paine never called for revolution against the US govt.

Oh....and if you want to bring up Paine, we can discuss his views on the responsibility of govt to progressively tax to fund social services for the poor. That is very apropos.
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Of course not, first it wasn't a government yet and second he was busy calling for revolution against the Brits, and then later the French. And why would YOU bring up anything he wrote, you've already dismissed his views as "empty rhetoric".
 
clownboy said:
Of course not, first it wasn't a government yetand second he was busy calling for revolution against the Brits, and then later the French.
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Um, Paine died in the US after we won, post where he ever called for revolution against the US govt. He was an anti-monarchist, not an anarchist.

And why would YOU bring up anything he wrote, you've already dismissed his views as "empty rhetoric".
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Um, let me remind you, the call was for revolution against the US fed govt, Paine never called for that, ergo not Paine's words.

They are the words of a Bircher/Bagger.
 
Misterveritis said:
We are buying back our bonds with worthless money.
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Funny, I just had it accepted in a domestic purchase and an international purchase.


This is funny. The nation is broke.The instruments of government power are being used against the American people (IRS). The EPA is about to be used as a weapon of mass impoverishment by this Democratic president and the democratic party. We are about to have the nation's culture and voters dramatically altered by the addition of nearly 50 million poor, uneducated people. These things are treason. What part of this is causing you problems?
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None of it since it is pure Bagger/Bircher nonsense, mixed with a knownothing view of economics that has no connection to reality.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Funny, I just had it accepted in a domestic purchase and an international purchase. None of it since it is pure Bagger/Bircher nonsense, mixed with a knownothing view of economics that has no connection to reality.
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While from a 'liberal' point of view $17,000,000,000,000 in debt and almost half the US population on government assistance of some sort is 'progress'. How long do liberals have to study economics for them to believe that is a good thing?
 
Grant said:
While from a 'liberal' point of view $17,000,000,000,000 in debt and almost half the US population on government assistance of some sort is 'progress'. How long do liberals have to study economics for them to believe that is a good thing?
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It is ironic that someone who wants to infer a lack of education on my part has a post with one incomplete sentence and 2 false pretenses.
 
its the fault of the creepy ass crackers
 
Gimmesometruth said:
It is ironic that someone who wants to infer a lack of education on my part has a post with one incomplete sentence and 2 false pretenses.
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If you look at your post I was responding to you'll see an incomplete sentence and one that I was adding to. This kind of response hardly moves the debate along.

I didn't refer to your education either. Many liberals have been very well educated, though perhaps 'mis-educated' might be a better term.

"It ain't ignorance causes so much trouble; it's folks knowing so much that ain't so." -Josh Billings
 
Grant said:
If you look at your post I was responding to you'll see an incomplete sentence and one that I was adding to.
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No, my posts had no incomplete sentences, you are in error once again.
This kind of response hardly moves the debate along.

I didn't refer to your education either. Many liberals have been very well educated, though perhaps 'mis-educated' might be a better term.

"It ain't ignorance causes so much trouble; it's folks knowing so much that ain't so." -Josh Billings
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You have not been interested in "moving the debate along" when you avoid the point of the post you initially responded to with a rhetorical question and continue to AGAIN imply a problem with my education.

Keep on with the pointless insults, you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper.
 
Caine said:
its the fault of the creepy ass crackers
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Lol..

...to get off topic a bit the Zimmerman trial has put on display the worst type of Obama supporter and exposed the innate corruption of that sub-culture.

" Precious" ( my new knick name for Rachel ) was absolutely sincere in her mannerisms and her responses.

It's refreshing on a really sad level when you get to witness the exposure of outright sincerity as a function of absolute stupidity.

No pretense from the prosecutions star witness becausd the concept all together escapes her.

Im thinking of starting the " Creepy Ass Cracker " Line of clothing line.

You want in ?
 
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