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Extending a Hand Abroad, Obama Often Finds a Cold Shoulder

Yes they sympathy was with the US. Even the Iranians were with the US...



No... it never got to a vote and it was far from only France. Russia and China were also against it.



Yea that has gone real well has it not? Massive bloodshed in Libya, Iraq and Syria. A fundamentalist government in Egypt and soon in other areas of North Africa. And no democracy... and the US even hated more than before. Congrats!



Wtf? The US has been laughed at internationally because of Bush and his policies, and the turmoil is solely due to those policies as well.



Of course they cant.. because BUSH ****ed everything up for the US. The US lost all credibility because of Bush and his policies and attitudes. Blaming Obama for what Bush caused is frankly beyond pathetic.

Your first two points have validity - your latter three points are utter nonsense. Libya erupted after Obama took over - Qhaddafi was well behaved after Afghanistan/Iraq and Bush's warning for him to behave - Syria erupted after Obama took over - Iraq is not as stable as it was when Bush left, partly because the US is not there to keep the Iranians from interferring - Egypt erupted after Obama took over.

Do you get the trend here? Everyone around the world realized Obama was all talk no action and they could act with impunity. The only reason Libya ended up differently was because the French had interests in the region and they convinced NATO to act, against Obama's wishes and Mr. Lead from Behind jumped on the bandwagon as it was heading out.

In almost every country in the Middle East, public opinion was more favorable to Bush than Obama. You blaming Bush for what's happening in the Middle East after Bush left office and Obama supposedly offered a new day would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically stupid.
 
Your first two points have validity - your latter three points are utter nonsense. Libya erupted after Obama took over - Qhaddafi was well behaved after Afghanistan/Iraq and Bush's warning for him to behave - Syria erupted after Obama took over - Iraq is not as stable as it was when Bush left, partly because the US is not there to keep the Iranians from interferring - Egypt erupted after Obama took over.

Do you get the trend here? Everyone around the world realized Obama was all talk no action and they could act with impunity. The only reason Libya ended up differently was because the French had interests in the region and they convinced NATO to act, against Obama's wishes and Mr. Lead from Behind jumped on the bandwagon as it was heading out.

In almost every country in the Middle East, public opinion was more favorable to Bush than Obama. You blaming Bush for what's happening in the Middle East after Bush left office and Obama supposedly offered a new day would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically stupid.

We were gonna leave Iraq eventually. Mittens probably would have stuck to the Bush plan as much as Obama has. Iraq isn't likely to be a stable democracy without us there to force the issue, which is what I was saying 10 years ago. The Cons were all "It'll be fine, democracy will flower and take root in the region." Guess what -- we were right in the first place! Your answer is to stay forever?
 
Your first two points have validity - your latter three points are utter nonsense. Libya erupted after Obama took over - Qhaddafi was well behaved after Afghanistan/Iraq and Bush's warning for him to behave - Syria erupted after Obama took over - Iraq is not as stable as it was when Bush left, partly because the US is not there to keep the Iranians from interferring - Egypt erupted after Obama took over.

Do you get the trend here? Everyone around the world realized Obama was all talk no action and they could act with impunity. The only reason Libya ended up differently was because the French had interests in the region and they convinced NATO to act, against Obama's wishes and Mr. Lead from Behind jumped on the bandwagon as it was heading out.

In almost every country in the Middle East, public opinion was more favorable to Bush than Obama. You blaming Bush for what's happening in the Middle East after Bush left office and Obama supposedly offered a new day would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically stupid.

You've made a good case for Obama scaling back US interference in the ME. While that may not be seen as a positive thing for Americans, it can't but help be seen as positive for the rest of the world that understands US aggression is the biggest stumbling block to world peace.

Priorities my fellow Canadian. And it's pretty obvious that your priorities weren't the priorities of Canadians on the Iraq war and a lot of other US aggression. Are you sure you're in the right country?

Obama all talk and no action? That's my whole case for favouring him when it comes to US foreign policy. Why are you in so much of a hurry to see the US get involved in the killing of more people in the ME?
 
Why are you in so much of a hurry to see the US get involved in the killing of more people in the ME

ask racist susan rice

Syria chemical weapons: President Obama's forced hand - POLITICO.com

you really don't know what's going on around you, do you?

LOL!

maybe you should buy a tv

how's that obvious cold war with russia coming along?

and aren't those peace talks with the taliban exciting!

what an idiot...

ms rice, i mean
 
Your first two points have validity - your latter three points are utter nonsense.

I see... lets see.

Libya erupted after Obama took over - Qhaddafi was well behaved after Afghanistan/Iraq and Bush's warning for him to behave

What? Yes Libya happened after Obama took over, but the seeds of revolution were put there under Bush's watch. Dont even try to deny it.

Syria erupted after Obama took over

Again, so what? Revolution in Syria only happened because people saw it was possible because of Bush taking out Saddam and emboldening various sects and tribes across the Middle East to rise up against their governments.

Iraq is not as stable as it was when Bush left, partly because the US is not there to keep the Iranians from interferring

Iraq was never stable, both under Bush and Obama. It is a mess today and has been a mess since day one of the invasion and the Iranians started to interfere as soon as the first US troops entered Iraq. Anyone with even the minimal knowledge of the Middle East could have told Bush and his right wing wackos that this would happen.

Egypt erupted after Obama took over.

And so what again. The seeds of revolution were put in place by Bush. Because of Iraq, Mubarak felt that he had to loosen his grip... and that cost him his job.

Do you get the trend here?

Yes the trend that you are in total denial of what damage Bush and his policies did not only to individual nation states but to the whole region and to the image of the US.

It amazes me that we heard all the time about the "brilliant" Bush doctrine to push democracy and revolution against dictators like Saddam in the Middle East, and suddenly when it happens after he has left office and the new guy is a black guy with the middle name of Hussien, then all of a sudden it is bad and all his fault that it is happening... gezz the double standard really stinks ...

Everyone around the world realized Obama was all talk no action and they could act with impunity.

LOL of course they could act with impunity, because Bush had committed all US forces to 2 wars and gone bankrupt doing it. Add to that, the total lack of respect the US has now due to these policies and you have a mixing pot for people not caring what the US thinks... and it shows. Oh and the financial melt down and the lack of accountability there also had a big influence on nations and people's attitude towards the US.

The only reason Libya ended up differently was because the French had interests in the region and they convinced NATO to act, against Obama's wishes and Mr. Lead from Behind jumped on the bandwagon as it was heading out.

Come on...If anyone had interests in Libya it aint the French... but Italy. And Obama balked about using US forces in Libya because BUSH the moron had committed the US to two wars and starting a 3rd was a big no no. That is why the US pushed for a European/NATO solution with US back up and it worked some what. You simply did not have the money or troops to do anything with!

But like in all of these cases every time the US butts its head in (mostly Bush but also Obama) the only ones who really gain anything are the Islamic fundamentalists and AL Q groups and of course Iran.. and it all goes back to the invasion of Iraq which was a mistake of epic proportions if the overall goal was to prevent Iran and its allies from getting more influence.

In almost every country in the Middle East, public opinion was more favorable to Bush than Obama.

And you can provide evidence of this of course? From a reliable source?

You blaming Bush for what's happening in the Middle East after Bush left office and Obama supposedly offered a new day would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically stupid.

Do you seriously think that the day Bush left office, that his policies stopped having any influence on what happened from that day? Revolutions takes years to brew, they do not start and happen over night.

Let me ask you this... was it Bush Sr that should get credit for the fall of the Iron Curtain... it happened after all on his watch?
 
We were gonna leave Iraq eventually. Mittens probably would have stuck to the Bush plan as much as Obama has. Iraq isn't likely to be a stable democracy without us there to force the issue, which is what I was saying 10 years ago. The Cons were all "It'll be fine, democracy will flower and take root in the region." Guess what -- we were right in the first place! Your answer is to stay forever?

I believe if Obama had negotiated a deal with the Iraqis, as Bush had intended, to leave a small contingent of troops in Iraq, similar to how the US left troops in Korea and other areas of the world, the Iranians and their friends in the Iraq government would not be so openly plotting to destroy the ba'athist - there would be less tension in that regard - I was only making the counter point that Iraq was more stable when Bush left and the fact it's less stable now is not Bush's fault. Iraq is/was always going to be a democracy not like America - nothing in the Middle East will ever be like America - but it is an example to other countries in the region of how the people themselves can have more of a say in their governance. You may not like how democracy is turning out there, but you can't deny that democracy is taking root and much of the reason why there's unrest in the Middle East is because other countries there want that shot at democracy too.
 
You've made a good case for Obama scaling back US interference in the ME. While that may not be seen as a positive thing for Americans, it can't but help be seen as positive for the rest of the world that understands US aggression is the biggest stumbling block to world peace.

Priorities my fellow Canadian. And it's pretty obvious that your priorities weren't the priorities of Canadians on the Iraq war and a lot of other US aggression. Are you sure you're in the right country?

Obama all talk and no action? That's my whole case for favouring him when it comes to US foreign policy. Why are you in so much of a hurry to see the US get involved in the killing of more people in the ME?

You clearly have no concept of world dynamics - one of the strongest ways to gain peace is through strength. America is without a doubt the strongest, most powerful and influential country in the world. When America does not wield that power it creates a dangerous vacuum. America may not like it, but that's where they are in the world these days. The fact that Obama threatens action and never takes any means that his threats are useless and dangerous.
 
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You clearly have no concept of world dynamics - one of the strongest ways to gain peace is through strength. America is without a doubt the strongest, most powerful and influential country in the world. When America does not wield that power it creates a dangerous vacuum. America may not like it, but that's where they are in the world these days.

Peace through strength? Yes, undoubtedly the US had to bomb Iraq to show it's strength.

And you think the US should have stayed in Iraq to show strength? And the Iraq outcome is Obama's fault?

And you think the missing WMD's went to Syria and are going to go to Lebanon?

The fact that Obama threatens action and never takes any means that his threats are useless and dangerous.

And that's pretty much my point. Obama is dragging his feet on another war! And that's what the American people want him to do and all except the baggers who hate him freely tell us that. It was the libertarians' and Ron Paul's main agenda item. Stopping costly foreign wars! You need to have a father and son with your US friends before you say much more! And you think I have no concept of world dynamics?? Are you for real?
 
Being liked is over rated. Being trusted is far, far more valuable in international relations.

I really don't understand how anyone could like or trust him.

:liar

I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.

Would have the most transparent administration in History

Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year

Health Care deals will be covered on C-span

Cut Deficit in Half by end of first term

The Health Care Package will pay for itself

We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.

The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.

Rich doesn’t pay their fair share.

“Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.”

“We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system”

Benghazi violence was caused by an internet video & demonstrations

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