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Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

captainawesome said:
I don't live in Indiana.

If there is a federal ID that is free that might work.
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Thats what I was saying but you kept parroting ID isnt free over and over. I was proposing an ID system similar to the one used by Indiana. I think it would work, apparently you do too.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Thats what I was saying but you kept parroting ID isnt free over and over. I was proposing an ID system similar to the one used by Indiana. I think it would work, apparently you do too.
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So you want federal ID? Usually those on the right have been really against that idea.
 
captainawesome said:
I think what we do now works and makes sense. Never has my vote been used by anyone but me.
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Thats a pretty small sample size. I dont think what we do now works or makes sense. What is your objection to the Indiana laws regarding voter ID...if any?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Thats a pretty small sample size. I dont think what we do now works or makes sense. What is your objection to the Indiana laws regarding voter ID...if any?
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My objection is that if it isn't broke don't fix it. Currently there is not a problem of people getting their votes stolen.
 
captainawesome said:
I have registered and voted for years. it is easy and secure.

As far as "we" that's irrelevant. If I show up to vote and someone stole my vote there is already a procedure. That is good enough.
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If someone can steal your vote, then shouldn't we be doing something to prevent that? Its obviously not secure. A secure system has two levels, something that identifies your physical being, and something you know, so that there is a check on the other item.
 
jonny5 said:
If someone can steal your vote, then shouldn't we be doing something to prevent that? Its obviously not secure. A secure system has two levels, something that identifies your physical being, and something you know, so that there is a check on the other item.
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The system works fine my vote has never been stolen and I know of no one that has had it happen. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
 
captainawesome said:
The system works fine my vote has never been stolen and I know of no one that has had it happen. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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SCOTUS offered the opinion that we cannot ascertain if the current system is "broke" because its too damn easy to cheat it.

Again that sample size is entirely too small.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Hate to pick nits but in California you have to have the long form birth certificate, the certificate of live birth which has an attached cost of 50$ at least. Most of the illegals show Oregon or Washington IDs, at least in Cali.
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In VA, they are free if they are for a government entity...DMV, Court etc... Your ID is also free if you are financially unable to afford the actual state issued ID.
 
captainawesome said:
The system works fine my vote has never been stolen and I know of no one that has had it happen. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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We have hundreds of example of stolen votes. So you DO know of someone. Pew Research did a study which showed that there are millions of wrong voter information registrations in the country, including dead people.
 
jonny5 said:
We have hundreds of example of stolen votes. So you DO know of someone. Pew Research did a study which showed that there are millions of wrong voter information registrations in the country, including dead people.
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In a country of over 300 million we have maybe hundreds of examples of stolen votes. No reason to wreck voting rights. The system isn't broken.
 
VOTER OPPRESSION???? You mean like trying to keep illegals from voting? Is that what you call voter suppression??
 
tommytunes said:
VOTER OPPRESSION???? You mean like trying to keep illegals from voting? Is that what you call voter suppression??
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No like changing the rules so the elderly and minorities with no id can't vote.
 
Despite these scary words from South Carolina's attorney general on FoxNews (where else?) in early 2012

"We just recently learned that there are over 900 individuals who had died before the election (and had voted) and at least 600 of those individuals had died way outside the window that an absentee ballot could have been sent, so we know for a fact that there are deceased people whose identities are being used in elections in South Carolina."
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The AG was aided by DMV director, Kevin Shwedo, who testified before a SC House committee: “Well over 900 individuals appear to have voted after they died”

It now looks like it was yet one more fine example of GOP pols using scary mantras to justify voter suppression laws.

Report: no widespread fraud found in SC elections

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- No one intentionally cast a ballot in South Carolina using the names of dead people in recent elections, despite allegations to the contrary, according to a State Law Enforcement Division report obtained Friday by The Associated Press.

Attorney General Alan Wilson asked the agency to investigate last year after the Department of Motor Vehicles determined in early 2012 that more than 900 people listed as deceased also had voted in recent years.

Wilson referred the information to state police, saying that the number of people cited in the analysis "is an alarming number and clearly necessitates an investigation into criminal activity."

State Election Commission director Marci Andino had her staff take a look at questionable votes from the November 2010 general election, or about 200 of the more than 900 votes total - information that was also ultimately analyzed by the law enforcement division. Nearly half of the issues could be attributed to clerical errors, while several dozen resulted from DMV officials running Social Security numbers of voters against dead people but not seeing if the names matched.

Several other issues arose from ballots cast by men with the same names as their deceased fathers.

Of the 207 cases Andino's agency examined, only a handful remained unexplained, according to the commission and the Law Enforcement Division.
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Maybe Mr Shwedo should be more concerned with training his employees at the DMV since Nearly half of the issues could be attributed to clerical errors
 
A handful, not that for sure cheated, in all of SC? This must be stopped. Maybe the GOP can demand DNA testing and a complete physical before allowing anyone to vote next year. A handful. OOOh the outrage. Doesnt this ever get embaressing?
Somerville said:
Despite these scary words from South Carolina's attorney general on FoxNews (where else?) in early 2012



The AG was aided by DMV director, Kevin Shwedo, who testified before a SC House committee: “Well over 900 individuals appear to have voted after they died”

It now looks like it was yet one more fine example of GOP pols using scary mantras to justify voter suppression laws.



Maybe Mr Shwedo should be more concerned with training his employees at the DMV since Nearly half of the issues could be attributed to clerical errors
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captainawesome said:
The system works fine my vote has never been stolen and I know of no one that has had it happen. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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How do you know your vote has never been stolen? How do you know you're not registered in some other county, some other state even and voting regularly?

About ten years ago I started receiving W2s under my name and social security number from another state I had never even visited.
 
Why would anyone take the risk of a felony conviction to vote? almost certainly that vote would not change the outcome of the election anyway. Our voting laws are a good example of the penalty generally preventing the crime. I wonder why the right wingers are so focused on fixing something that aint broke, when so many things are broke? Hummmmm.
clownboy said:
How do you know your vote has never been stolen? How do you know you're not registered in some other county, some other state even and voting regularly?

About ten years ago I started receiving W2s under my name and social security number from another state I had never even visited.
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mak2 said:
Why would anyone take the risk of a felony conviction to vote? almost certainly that vote would not change the outcome of the election anyway. Our voting laws are a good example of the penalty generally preventing the crime. I wonder why the right wingers are so focused on fixing something that aint broke, when so many things are broke? Hummmmm.
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When you're voting with someone else's identity you just might figure, how are they going to catch me? It's not like we're going to ask for ID. How do dead people end up voting? They don't seem to be able to catch the live bodies who cast those dead votes now do they?
 
Nobody does it. You have no proof they do. Dead people dont end up voting, did you read the article? In SC there was a handful that are not positively legit, not that they are fraudlent, just not for sure. A hand full out of millions that could still possibly be fraudlent. Comeon man, it aint a problem. It is almost like the RW just makes up stuff....oh wait.
clownboy said:
When you're voting with someone else's identity you just might figure, how are they going to catch me? It's not like we're going to ask for ID. How do dead people end up voting? They don't seem to be able to catch the live bodies who cast those dead votes now do they?
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