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Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

captainawesome said:
Not free. ID is hard to get and expensive particularly if you have never had one before.
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Absolute nonsense. You stand in the same line as everyone else at the DMV, fill out the same form and show the same documents. But if you have a fee exemption you pay zero dollars here in Oregon and in California and in Nevada, and in Montana and in Washington (those are the states I'm sure of).
 
clownboy said:
Absolute nonsense. You stand in the same line as everyone else at the DMV, fill out the same form and show the same documents. But if you have a fee exemption you pay zero dollars here in Oregon and in California and in Nevada, and in Montana and in Washington (those are the states I'm sure of).
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If you have the documents. If not more time off work and more expenses. Nothing is free. There is no free id.
 
captainawesome said:
If you have the documents. If not more time off work and more expenses. Nothing is free. There is no free id.
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How difficult do you think it is to get a certified copy of a birth certificate?
 
captainawesome said:
If you have the documents. If not more time off work and more expenses. Nothing is free. There is no free id.
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If you don't have the documents and you don't already have the ID, how are you working? You must be working illegally or hiding from the IRS then.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
How difficult do you think it is to get a certified copy of a birth certificate?
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Depends on various factors. Could be easy could be hard.

If you were not born in a hospital or the records were flooded ciuld be hard.

Also, not every person even has a ss number.

So could be difficult and expensive.
 
clownboy said:
If you don't have the documents and you don't already have the ID, how are you working? You must be working illegally or hiding from the IRS then.
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Under the table. Yes a lot of people do that.
 
captainawesome said:
Depends on various factors. Could be easy could be hard.

If you were not born in a hospital or the records were flooded ciuld be hard.

Also, not every person even has a ss number.

So could be difficult and expensive.
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If you never had a SS#, you never worked...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Then his employer hired illegally...
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Yeah but he is a true Galtian capitalist, refusing to pay that overbearing federal government any of those employment taxes and thereby keeping his money away from the grasp of the "socialists in the government" - so why don't you like him?
 
Somerville said:
Yeah but he is a true Galtian capitalist, refusing to pay that overbearing federal government any of those employment taxes and thereby keeping his money away from the grasp of the "socialists in the government" - so why don't you like him?
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Uhm, possibly because he defrauded your uncle from what he should have received at retirement. Just because you're a socialist, hopefully doesn't make you ignorant...
 
captainawesome said:
Under the table. Yes a lot of people do that.
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Not legally they don't. And we shouldn't be making life any easier for them. You know what that does to the social programs you support, right?

Regardless, the ID is free for those who cannot afford it, as is the documentation. I recently needed mine and the first words out of the clerk's mouth were, if you can show you can't afford the $20 fee it will be waived.

Also, how do those folks cash checks, have a bank account, buy liquor, get their social services? All require documents and/or ID.
 
captainawesome said:
Not true my uncle worked since he was 12 in coal mines and never had a ss number.

Rural U.S. this is not uncommon.
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That's just not true. If the mine had any sort of payroll, and they would have considering state and federal inspectors are required for the mines to operate, as well as several licensing agencies, then your uncle is spinning tales for you. I too went to work at 12 and had to apply for my SS# in order to receive pay. Anyone born in the last three decades has a SS# as they have been assigned at birth.
 
clownboy said:
That's just not true. If the mine had any sort of payroll, and they would have considering state and federal inspectors are required for the mines to operate, as well as several licensing agencies, then your uncle is spinning tales for you. I too went to work at 12 and had to apply for my SS# in order to receive pay. Anyone born in the last three decades has a SS# as they have been assigned at birth.
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Dude he was born over 70 years ago. He lived on company properry and was paid in script.

Later he just got paid under the table.
 
captainawesome said:
Dude he was born over 70 years ago. He lived on company properry and was paid in script.

Later he just got paid under the table.
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Once again, I call bull**** and I was born over 60 years ago. Mines were inspected by both state and feds back then as well. And the owing your soul to the company store generation (paid in script living on company land) was the one before his and mine - Woody Guthrie era. That would put him in the 1950s when he was 12.
 
clownboy said:
Once again, I call bull**** and I was born over 60 years ago. Mines were inspected by both state and feds back then as well. And the owing your soul to the company store generation (paid in script living on company land) was the one before his and mine - Woody Guthrie era. That would put him in the 1950s when he was 12.
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Exactly in the fifties when he was twelve.
 
captainawesome said:
So being forced to show health insurance card to vote wont bother you then.
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Of course it would, but not because its a poll tax. The govt doesn't have the power to regulate healthcare. It does have the power to regulate elections.
 
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