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Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

Deuce said:
Making voting harder for people should always be treated with extreme scrutiny. It's not as simple as you think.

As an example, there was a DMV in Wisconsin open only 5 days a year. There are entire counties in the "black belt" of Georgia that don't have a single full-time DMV. By sheer coincidence, states with GOP legislatures pushing stricter voting laws have services aligned in a manner that would have a slightly disproportionate impact on Democrat voters. And you know what? Sometimes that's all it takes. A lot of elections are decided by a percent or two. If you can convince even one percent more Democrats to stay home because voting is a hassle than you do Republicans... Why not? And in the name of what? Stopping a small percent of the already tiny instance of voter fraud? Most voter fraud occurs in a manner that these ID laws wouldn't stop. For example: that previous statement about a daughter registering twice. IDs won't stop that. State election boards do that behind the scenes - and successfully.
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i will share some facts with you. in GA voter registration increased the following year after they passed the voter ID law

Lessons from the Voter ID Experience in Georgia
 
trfjr said:
why dont we just send absentee ballots to all Mexicans in Mexico so they can vote also if being an American citizen isn't required
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Non-citizens can't vote in the USA.

If they try to register their registration will be invalidated once its known that they are not citizens.

If they try to then vote with an absentee ballot their vote will not be counted once its clear they aren't registered.

This isn't about non-citizens voting in our elections. This is about keeping the poor, elderly, and naturalized citizens from voting.
 
Kanstantine said:
Non-citizens can't vote in the USA.

If they try to register their registration will be invalidated once its known that they are not citizens.

If they try to then vote with an absentee ballot their vote will not be counted once its clear they aren't registered.

This isn't about non-citizens voting in our elections. This is about keeping the poor, elderly, and naturalized citizens from voting.
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How is their status as non-citizens determined? What databases are in actual use for this purpose?
 
Kanstantine said:
How many non-US citizens voted in last year's Presidential election?

How about in 2008?

2004?

2000?
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still didn't answer my question i will ask again how do you keep non citizens from voting if your not required to show evidence you are one

how do we know if we had any non citizens voting if no proof needs to be shown you are a citizen. it is like asking a blind man if some one turned out the lights.

My city only gave out only 5 j-walking tickets last year does that mean only 5 people j-walked all of last year?
 
Kanstantine said:
Non-citizens can't vote in the USA.

If they try to register their registration will be invalidated once its known that they are not citizens.

If they try to then vote with an absentee ballot their vote will not be counted once its clear they aren't registered.

This isn't about non-citizens voting in our elections. This is about keeping the poor, elderly, and naturalized citizens from voting.
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what checks do they have to show you are not a citizen?
 
wbcoleman said:
How is their status as non-citizens determined? What databases are in actual use for this purpose?
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Somewhere in the depths of space, there is a way for government entities to verify who is and is not a citizen of the United States.

I guarantee it.
 
I'm still amused at the concept that there is no election security without displaying your voter ID. We've been doing fine without voter registration or the ID requirement. That being said, my state is going through the somewhat meaningless motion of trying to make ID required for voting. Don't quite know what voter fraud they are going after, but it sure is going to piss off those Native Americans and college students.
 
Somerville said:
A question is asked


As many as 13 million Americans don't have birth certificates

Here's one case, and note that this woman is a retired government employee
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Your 'case' is incorrect or rather was incorrectly handled.
Mitchell, who was delivered by a midwife in Alabama in 1918, has never had a birth certificate. But when she told that to a driver's license clerk, he suggested she might be an illegal immigrant.

But a spokesman for the House Republican Caucus said Mitchell was given bad information. Brent Leatherwood said even an expired state ID will allow her to vote.

Asked about why Mitchell might have been confused or received incorrect information about the new voter ID law, Leatherwood said only that the provision that allows for the use of state employee IDs is "pretty straightforward."
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Retired State Capitol Cleaning Lady, 93, Blocked from Voting? | Humphrey on the Hill | knoxnews.com

And before you go skeptical on 'Republican Caucus':

Any of the following IDs may be used, even if expired:
•Tennessee drivers license with your photo
•United States Passport
•Photo ID issued by the Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security
•Photo ID issued by the federal or Tennessee state government
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Tennessee Department of State: Elections
 
Kanstantine said:
Somewhere in the depths of space, there is a way for government entities to verify who is and is not a citizen of the United States.

I guarantee it.
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ok that settles it because you guarantee it :roll:
 
Low and behold, it does appear that at least one state in the Union (mine) does not verify the claim of citizenship on voter registration forms. We simply take your word for it and will prosecute your ass if you are lying.

That's crap.
 
Kanstantine said:
Low and behold, it does appear that at least one state in the Union (mine) does not verify the claim of citizenship on voter registration forms. We simply take your word for it and will prosecute your ass if you are lying.

That's crap.
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how do we know they are lying? becuase you guarantee it?
 
I have a friend that is a Permanent Resident of the United States.

She can register to vote and affect our elections, even though she is not a citizen.

This is not a good thing.
 
Henrin said:
How is "that's what the federal system decided was enough" an argument?
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It states the issue simply. The constitution gives the power to congress to determine election laws. If they decide that the honor system is enough, then thats the law. If I was Arizona, I would declare independence.
 
Well, here is the crux of the problem - Are we going to disenfranchise thousands of legitimate voters if, say, 10 ineligible voters voted?

Voter fraud? Yea, I am against it, but not at the expense of kicking our own citizens to the curb in the process.
 
danarhea said:
Well, here is the crux of the problem - Are we going to disenfranchise thousands of legitimate voters if, say, 10 ineligible voters voted?

Voter fraud? Yea, I am against it, but not at the expense of kicking our own citizens to the curb in the process.
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Do you agree that we should verify the citizenship of people when they register to vote?
 
jonny5 said:
It states the issue simply. The constitution gives the power to congress to determine election laws. If they decide that the honor system is enough, then thats the law. If I was Arizona, I would declare independence.
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That argument doesn't even make sense. That is the exact opposite of how it was intended.

Where do they find these justices that somehow get everything backwards?
 
Guys and gals, boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, its very simple.

We shoudl verify the citizenship status of voter registrations.

Either do it by requiring folks to bring proof of citizenship at the time of registration, or make the states do it on their own time.

But one way or the other we must verify that you have the ****ing right to vote.
 
Dickieboy said:
Your 'case' is incorrect or rather was incorrectly handled.

Retired State Capitol Cleaning Lady, 93, Blocked from Voting? | Humphrey on the Hill | knoxnews.com

And before you go skeptical on 'Republican Caucus':


Tennessee Department of State: Elections
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What does that say about the (1) training of the person who told her she couldn't use her old government ID and (2) the fact that it was only after she received publicity that any action was taken on her behalf?


from the Tennessee Department of Safety & Homeland Security site with requirements for obtaining a "Handgun Carry Permit"
Effective July 1, 2005, all handgun permit applicants seeking a new permit must provide proof of U.S. Citizenship or Lawful Permanent Residency.
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So one of the items accepted as voter ID in the state doesn't require proof of citizenship - interesting, wouldn't you say
 
I understand where the left is coming from on this issue, I really do. I agree that the process of getting registered should be easy, and the process of voting should be easy. However, I fail to understand were it's required by law to be a US citizen on the federal level and it's required by law to be a resident of the state on the state level why it shouldn't be required to prove it in order to vote.
 
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