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Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

Was the illegal votes "hanging chads?" (if I remember correctly) or busloads of them people? I dont beleive voter fraud is a problem, no matter which side says it is. I think if it was and a couple of people got busted and spent a long time in jail with felony conviction I bet there would be even less the next election.
hfd said:
Well good. Exactly how much voter fraud would you consider a problem? How about violence? And if the following is factual, voter fraud is rampant enough to have determined a Presidential election...what do you think?

Gore Won Florida.

BTW: I was born in Indiana.
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BTW I love Indiana by want to move somewhere warm. But my wife wont let me. Indiana is a great state to be from and come see the grandkids in. Otherwise give me Florida or CA or somewhere warm.
hfd said:
Well good. Exactly how much voter fraud would you consider a problem? How about violence? And if the following is factual, voter fraud is rampant enough to have determined a Presidential election...what do you think?

Gore Won Florida.

BTW: I was born in Indiana.
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danarhea said:
In a 7-2 decision, the Supreme court has struck down a law that disenfranchised voters in Arizona. Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion, and John Roberts was also a part of the majority decision.

Well done, Supremes. :)

Article is here.
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This will only be a surprise to the Far Right. This thing was obviously of dubious constitutionality from the beginning.
 
The site I linked gives categories of illegal votes. Quite extensive. Of course, the credibility of the information icould be considered debatable.
 
When we fill out the standard voter registration form, our citizenship is confirmed by the voter registration people.

No need to provide photo ID, BC, Passport, or whatever at the time of registration.

No foreigner can register to vote using the standard form.
 
hfd said:
Well good. Exactly how much voter fraud would you consider a problem? How about violence? And if the following is factual, voter fraud is rampant enough to have determined a Presidential election...what do you think?

Gore Won Florida.

BTW: I was born in Indiana.
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Nah, you don't get it. It's only voter fraud if Democrats have some old person vote twice. What Republicans do is Election Fraud, which is where you manage to steal an entire election.
 
Dapper Andy said:
Yes it is.
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They can fill out an absentee ballot but their vote will not be counted until their voter registration is confirmed.

My 2012 votes weren't finally counted as part of the election until 2 months ago.
 
Kanstantine said:
When we fill out the standard voter registration form, our citizenship is confirmed by the voter registration people.

No need to provide photo ID, BC, Passport, or whatever at the time of registration.

No foreigner can register to vote using the standard form.
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You automatically get registered if you request any form of assistance by checking the box that says "Register me to vote". In Ohio, the form only has a Y/N to indicate that you are a US Citizen. Can't find fed documentation as to what information is required to process this automatic registration.
 
Samhain said:
You automatically get registered if you request any form of assistance by checking the box that says "Register me to vote". In Ohio, the form only has a Y/N to indicate that you are a US Citizen. Can't find fed documentation as to what information is required to process this automatic registration.
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No registration is completed until your citizenship is confirmed by the authorities.

No vote is counted until your registration as a citizen voter is confirmed.
 
Kanstantine said:
When we fill out the standard voter registration form, our citizenship is confirmed by the voter registration people.

No need to provide photo ID, BC, Passport, or whatever at the time of registration.

No foreigner can register to vote using the standard form.
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How can voter registration people verify my citizenship?
 
hfd said:
How can voter registration people verify my citizenship?
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They have records somewhere.

Its clear that the purpose of this law in AZ was simply to keep people from registering to vote.
 
hfd said:
Well good. Exactly how much voter fraud would you consider a problem? How about violence? And if the following is factual, voter fraud is rampant enough to have determined a Presidential election...what do you think?

Gore Won Florida.

BTW: I was born in Indiana.
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In reality, a six-month statewide recount conducted by a consortium of leading newspapers, including The New York Times and The Washington Post, concluded that George Bush almost certainly won Florida in 2000.
 
It was hanging chads, not illegal voters.
wbcoleman said:
In reality, a six-month statewide recount conducted by a consortium of leading newspapers, including The New York Times and The Washington Post, concluded that George Bush almost certainly won Florida in 2000.
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Kanstantine said:
When we fill out the standard voter registration form, our citizenship is confirmed by the voter registration people.

No need to provide photo ID, BC, Passport, or whatever at the time of registration.

No foreigner can register to vote using the standard form.
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How? Where is the database of U.S. citizens? The State Department database excludes citizens who have never applied for a passport.
 
Kanstantine said:
No registration is completed until your citizenship is confirmed by the authorities.

No vote is counted until your registration as a citizen voter is confirmed.
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No database of U.S. citizens exists.
 
Kanstantine said:
No registration is completed until your citizenship is confirmed by the authorities.

No vote is counted until your registration as a citizen voter is confirmed.
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I just checked the Missouri's registration application by mail. I've never voted out of Missouri so was unfamiliar with its requirements.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/register2vote/Pettis.pdf

A couple of check boxes asking if you are a US citizen, place of birth which is (optional), social security number which you can leave blank, drivers license number which you can also leave blank. Then a place to sign where you agree that you are a US citizen.

No where do I see any "proof" of citizenship requirement.

Honestly, am I missing something? or does it appear you only have to sign it stating that you are a US citizen?
 
wbcoleman said:
How? Where is the database of U.S. citizens? The State Department database excludes citizens who have never applied for a passport.
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How is citizenship confirmed? I don't know.

But I'm sure its done. Otherwise we would have millions of tourists every year flooding to the USA in November voting in our elections.
 
Baralis said:
I just checked the Missouri's registration application by mail. I've never voted out of Missouri so was unfamiliar with its requirements.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/register2vote/Pettis.pdf

A couple of check boxes asking if you are a US citizen, place of birth which is (optional), social security number which you can leave blank, drivers license number which you can also leave blank. Then a place to sign where you agree that you are a US citizen.

No where do I see any "proof" of citizenship requirement.

Honestly, am I missing something? or does it appear you only have to sign it stating that you are a US citizen?
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The only possible proof of citizenship is a birth certificate or a naturalization document.
 
Kanstantine said:
How is citizenship confirmed? I don't know.

But I'm sure its done. Otherwise we would have millions of tourists every year flooding to the USA in November voting in our elections.
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How do you know we don't?
 
wbcoleman said:
How do you know we don't?
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How do YOU know we don't?

Do you think we are that stupid?

We just register ANYONE who signs up and let them vote?

I have a little more respect for the United States than that.
 
Kanstantine said:
How do YOU know we don't?

Do you think we are that stupid?

We just register ANYONE who signs up and let them vote?

I have a little more respect for the United States than that.
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How do we know the applicant is a U.S. citizen? [Hint: We don't.]
 
wbcoleman said:
How do we know the applicant is a U.S. citizen? [Hint: We don't.]
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Application doesn't guaruntee the ability to vote.

Absentee ballots don't guaruntee the vote will be counted.
 
Kanstantine said:
Application doesn't guaruntee the ability to vote.

Absentee ballots don't guaruntee the vote will be counted.
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What do you mean? Are you still claiming that the applicant's citizenship status is checked? It isn't, because in the absence of paper evidence it can't be.
 
Kanstantine said:
When we fill out the standard voter registration form, our citizenship is confirmed by the voter registration people.
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How if you're not checking IDs?

Kanstantine said:
No need to provide photo ID, BC, Passport, or whatever at the time of registration.

No foreigner can register to vote using the standard form.
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How do you possibly know to prevent them from doing so?
 
Kanstantine said:
Application doesn't guaruntee the ability to vote.

Absentee ballots don't guaruntee the vote will be counted.
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Furthermore, as an aside, my daughter can vote twice in Chicago if she wants to. Once, at her actual precinct and, again, at mine. She gets renewal voter cards at my address every year, even though our house hasn't been her legal domicile since 2001.
 
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