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Supreme Court strikes down Arizona voter ID citizenship law

How do you know your vote has never been stolen? How do you know you're not registered in some other county, some other state even and voting regularly?

About ten years ago I started receiving W2s under my name and social security number from another state I had never even visited.

I know my vote isn't stolen because I use it myself. We only get one.
 
Funny that people say there is no problem with voter fraud. I found this on the internet, and BTW this is one of the non-profit organizations that was under "investigation" by the IRS. Very interesting. ;)

How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures

wow 300,000 dead people still registered. People don't magically come off documents when they die. People die every day. About 3 million people a year so only 300 k still on documents at any one time is not a problem.

None if the statistics listed show a problem.
 
wow 300,000 dead people still registered. People don't magically come off documents when they die. People die every day. About 3 million people a year so only 300 k still on documents at any one time is not a problem.

None if the statistics listed show a problem.

If you read the link you would see that certain states have been quite neglectful about purging names of deceased and other invalid registered voters from their roles.

More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.


Also:

How popular is Voter ID?

74 percent of Americans support, according to The Washington Post.
71 percent of Latinos support it, according to the PEW Research Center.
 
If you read the link you would see that certain states have been quite neglectful about purging names of deceased and other invalid registered voters from their roles.




Also:

There still is no problem. The link showed there are very few dead who have not been removed. Some dead people still pay cable with auto bill pay.

So our system works very well.
 
There still is no problem. The link showed there are very few dead who have not been removed. Some dead people still pay cable with auto bill pay.

So our system works very well.

Of course it's a problem. Only someone wearing blinders would deny that having invalid voters on the registry for years and years and years is in any way a responsible way of maintaining proper voter records. Hence, you would not be able to prevent fraud from occurring in a lot of cases.
 
Of course it's a problem. Only someone wearing blinders would deny that having invalid voters on the registry for years and years and years is in any way a responsible way of maintaining proper voter records. Hence, you would not be able to prevent fraud from occurring in a lot of cases.

No human endeavor can be perfect.

The number of invalid registered voters is not significant in % of population. Our system works and improperly registered are removed.

300k out of 300 million is not a problem.
 
Nobody does it. You have no proof they do. Dead people dont end up voting, did you read the article? In SC there was a handful that are not positively legit, not that they are fraudlent, just not for sure. A hand full out of millions that could still possibly be fraudlent. Comeon man, it aint a problem. It is almost like the RW just makes up stuff....oh wait.

Generations of Chicago politicians have used the dead, you want to bury your head in the sand, fine. Once again how would you know if someone is using your identity to vote in another state that doesn't require ID (especially if they restrict themselves to voting in state and local elections)? How would the state possibly know without ID that your identity is voting in several states?
 
I know my vote isn't stolen because I use it myself. We only get one.

:lamo That's hilarious. Again, how do you know someone is not registered as you in another county, another state?
 
:lamo That's hilarious. Again, how do you know someone is not registered as you in another county, another state?

I have only lived in Ohio and Tx. I am a resident only in Tx. That is how I know. My social is not being used other places. The background checks for work would have caught any shenanigans.
 
I have only lived in Ohio and Tx. I am a resident only in Tx. That is how I know. My social is not being used other places. The background checks for work would have caught any shenanigans.

Seriously? This is your response? Good God! Most people do not have background checks done on a regular basis. There would be NO way to know if someone was using your ID to vote anyway. It does NOT show up on a credit check or a criminal background check. :doh
 
Seriously? This is your response? Good God! Most people do not have background checks done on a regular basis. There would be NO way to know if someone was using your ID to vote anyway. It does NOT show up on a credit check or a criminal background check. :doh

I would have to be a resident of another state to vote in that state. That is easy to check.
 
I would have to be a resident of another state to vote in that state. That is easy to check.

Not if you used a dead person's identification. And just ONE phony vote is one too many. Voting is one of the most important powers that we have. If we allow it to be abused, then we are making all of votes less powerful.
 
Not if you used a dead person's identification. And just ONE phony vote is one too many. Voting is one of the most important powers that we have. If we allow it to be abused, then we are making all of votes less powerful.

Dead people voting is not a problem. 300k out of 300 million is small. That is just the dead on the rolls yet to be purged.

Were there even 100 votes by dead people nationwide in the last election? It is a made up problem.
 
Dead people voting is not a problem. 300k out of 300 million is small. That is just the dead on the rolls yet to be purged.

Were there even 100 votes by dead people nationwide in the last election? It is a made up problem.

It most certainly is a problem. If every vote counts, then that makes it a significant problem, regardless of whether it makes up a large percentage of the population or not.
 
It most certainly is a problem. If every vote counts, then that makes it a significant problem, regardless of whether it makes up a large percentage of the population or not.

Oh so .00000001% voter fraud is a huge problem and we should change our election system.

I would rather fix a real problem.
 
Dead people voting is not a problem. 300k out of 300 million is small. That is just the dead on the rolls yet to be purged.

Were there even 100 votes by dead people nationwide in the last election? It is a made up problem.

The report found that there are about 1.8 million dead people listed as active voters. Some 2.8 million people have active registrations in more than one state. And 12 million registrations have errors serious enough to make it unlikely that mailings based on them will reach voters.

Source

This is just in Chicago.
 
Oh so .00000001% voter fraud is a huge problem and we should change our election system.

I would rather fix a real problem.

Requiring a form of voter ID is NOT changing the system. It's simply requiring a form of identification to avoid potential voter fraud.
 
Requiring a form of voter ID is NOT changing the system. It's simply requiring a form of identification to avoid potential voter fraud.

That is changing the system.

It ads cost and time issues.

So making so a million people or more can't vote to keep a hundred or less from voting is self defeating in an honest election.
 
That is changing the system.

It ads cost and time issues.

So making so a million people or more can't vote to keep a hundred or less from voting is self defeating in an honest election.

That is absolutely untrue. No one would be prevented from voting. People are SUPPOSED to have identification anyway.

Voter fraud is MUCH more costly in the long run.
 
That is absolutely untrue. No one would be prevented from voting. People are SUPPOSED to have identification anyway.

Voter fraud is MUCH more costly in the long run.

We are not required to have ID in the U.S.

Spending hundreds of millions to get a hundred people is not a money saver.

It is political ploy.
 
We are not required to have ID in the U.S.

That depends on where you live and that's besides the point. The point is that it is stupid to just ignore voter fraud and to do nothing to try to prevent it. Really, really stupid.
 
That depends on where you live and that's besides the point. The point is that it is stupid to just ignore voter fraud and to do nothing to try to prevent it. Really, really stupid.

No one ignores it. We check and very little happens so it isn't a problem.
 
No one ignores it. We check and very little happens so it isn't a problem.

This is a cop out. Yes, the problem has been being ignored. Obviously you didn't read the link I posted.
 
Here's another link about how difficult it is to detect voter fraud. The legalistic definition for voter fraud is when one person impersonates another and casts a vote, but there are other ways in which voter fraud is committed. As of right now, we don't have any definitive good ways to discover voter fraud. According to this article and others, absentee ballot fraud is MUCH more common and voter ID laws would not effect that, but I still don't see that as being a reason to NOT require a voter ID. Especially since the experts pretty much agree that it is a vague crime that is difficult to discover.

Voter Fraud: Hard to Identify - WSJ.com
 
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