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Awaiting the Supreme Court's gay marriage decisions [W:641]

I married because of love, to legitimize our children, and the BENEFITS. When you're willing to admit that the benefits are the underlying reason, I'll take you seriously...

Is there something wrong with wanting the benefits as well? If straight couples receive benefits why can't gay couples?
 
hahahaha...... No - No it's not!

This is why we have a Bill of Rights - so people (or legislators) can't be vague.

Define equal protection - can you manage to do that objectively or subjectively??? No you cant... If you tried it would just be your opinion with no solid manifested foundation -- hence standard.

Seems pretty simple.

One set of rules for everybody.

Not one set for some and another for the rest.
 
DOMA violates the 14th Amendment, which provides equal protection under the law (some citizens can marry, while others cannot). If a state wants to create a law which has a negative affect on one group of people, the state must provide a valid reason. Also, the Full Faith and Credit Clause requires a state to honor a contract made in another state. The Due Process Clause prohibits states from violating the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

There is a legal basis for same-sex marriage.

Then what's the problem? You want another parade?
 
How convenient. Every time you're wrong, they suck. :lamo

I'm not wrong, I have no desire to twist the Bill of Rights to legitimize political ideas - the SCOTUS does.....

You can bet your ass that those idiots were appointed for their politics and NOT for their ability to interpret law without bias.
 
That's all fine and good, but in reality Christians are marginalized regularly in this country while Muslims are feared and held as sacred. A law that is not enforced is useless.

Neither of these things is true. I didn't have Muslims show up at my door uninvited yesterday just to invite me to their religious place of worship and have a conversation with me about what I believe. When Muslims do try to disregard our laws and do something that is because of their religion but breaks our laws, they are punished. Now, I don't approve of Muslims that would try to place their religious rules into our laws, but I haven't seen any Muslims try to actively do this. Most of that in this country is being done by Christians.
 
It's pretty simple - our government doesn't define words....

Furthermore 50-years-ago marriage was a religious idea, seculars and progressives just jacked the word....

Pretty sure my grandmas marriage license, circa 1930, said "marriage" right in the name too.
 
Thats why the SCOTUS is nothing more than opinion based politics..... Not only that but the fact the SCOTUS has more power than the president...

In short the US is being dictated by 9 politically motivated assclowns.

UNELECTED assclowns.
 
I'm not wrong, I have no desire to twist the Bill of Rights to legitimize political ideas - the SCOTUS does.....

You can bet your ass that those idiots were appointed for their politics and NOT for their ability to interpret law without bias.

Like I said, how convenient. :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
There is a difference between ILLEGAL and NOT LEGISLATED....

WOW, 1 out of 50 states took DOMA to the dome and exercised their Tenth Amendment rights.

And more people will take DOMA up if it is not struck down.

Most likely though it will be struck down.

It took almost a hundred years for interracial marriage bans to come up to the SCOTUS for the second time to get those laws overturned. Getting things overturned as unconstitutional takes time, especially when it comes to something like same sex marriage, which for our country, is a new concept, even if it isn't right that it never existed before in our country.
 
Seems pretty simple.

One set of rules for everybody.

Not one set for some and another for the rest.


What a crock of ****....

If you feel that way then call your representative and demand he/she attempt to amend the constitution....

Not that either progressives or republicans even care in the Beltway - they only care about issues they can pander to and that will keep them in power and gay marriage isn't one of those issues. Hell the stupid idea couldn't even pass in progressive California.
 
You mean like racial quotas and "protected classes?" - discrimination like that?

You know who is discriminated against consistently and its absolutely politically correct to do so?? straight white male Christians - they're the punching bag of society...

And hopefully, with another SCOTUS case that we are supposed to get a ruling on with those same sex marriage cases, those laws that use race in college admission will be struck down as well.
 
And more people will take DOMA up if it is not struck down.

Most likely though it will be struck down.

It took almost a hundred years for interracial marriage bans to come up to the SCOTUS for the second time to get those laws overturned. Getting things overturned as unconstitutional takes time, especially when it comes to something like same sex marriage, which for our country, is a new concept, even if it isn't right that it never existed before in our country.

Do you know the difference between DOMA and "Jim Crow Laws?"
 
There is a difference between ILLEGAL and NOT LEGISLATED....

WOW, 1 out of 50 states took DOMA to the dome and exercised their Tenth Amendment rights.

Oh, very good. Now, go back and look at what I typed. It says that they are unable to enter into legal marriages. That is still unconstitutional.
 
What a crock of ****....

If you feel that way then call your representative and demand he/she attempt to amend the constitution....

Not that either progressives or republicans even care in the Beltway - they only care about issues they can pander to and that will keep them in power and gay marriage isn't one of those issues. Hell the stupid idea couldn't even pass in progressive California.

So you think equal protection means one set of rules for some and another for others?
 
Neither of these things is true. I didn't have Muslims show up at my door uninvited yesterday just to invite me to their religious place of worship and have a conversation with me about what I believe. When Muslims do try to disregard our laws and do something that is because of their religion but breaks our laws, they are punished. Now, I don't approve of Muslims that would try to place their religious rules into our laws, but I haven't seen any Muslims try to actively do this. Most of that in this country is being done by Christians.

I suppose you could point out these laws based on Christian decree?

Are you forced to be Christian?
 
Can't wait, hopefully it will be good news. Gonna try and distract myself till then, thankfully I just got The Last of Us, so that will keep me occupied for a while. Think the GF will be coming over so we can find out together, hopefully we'll be drinking in celebration.
 
Do you know the difference between DOMA and "Jim Crow Laws?"

So what? It doesn't matter they are based on the same concept, keeping a group of people from doing something lawfully because you disapprove of those people/feel those people are less deserving than you because of a characteristic that has nothing to do with furthering a state interest, and everything to do with simply disapproval.
 
And hopefully, with another SCOTUS case that we are supposed to get a ruling on with those same sex marriage cases, those laws that use race in college admission will be struck down as well.

It's only going to get worse....

Welcome to 1984 cult of personality USA...
 
I suppose you could point out these laws based on Christian decree?

Are you forced to be Christian?

Same sex marriage bans. No alcohol sales on Sunday.

Those would be two that haven't gone down yet. Over the last century, we have been doing a good job of clearing our laws of religious bias. There is some that still remains, but the fact that those laws have been cleaned out does not mean that Christians are now being oppressed. They are simply being relegated to the same level of citizenship as everyone else, instead of trying to feel superior to those who don't believe in the Bible.
 
This could make for the worst Monday in history. Its Monday, have 5 days of work ahead of me, and...oh yeah...I'm a second class citizen. Anxiously awaiting...
Me too. I hope the SC upholds Rule of Law and the DOMA.
 
Me too. I hope the SC upholds Rule of Law and the DOMA.

I just do not see how DOMA is constitutional as far as federal benefits since marriage is the rhelm of state law
 
So what? It doesn't matter they are based on the same concept, keeping a group of people from doing something lawfully because you disapprove of those people/feel those people are less deserving than you because of a characteristic that has nothing to do with furthering a state interest, and everything to do with simply disapproval.

Yeah they do matter considering one falls under the Tenth Amendment and the other falls under the federal government in which both contradict under the Fourteenth Amendment...

You do realize Jim Crow Laws blatantly violated the Bill of Rights? In order for one to understand that one must understand the legal ideas behind such laws and the precedent that followed....

I have no desire to write you a thesis or even a summery on such laws.... If you're this motivated to figure out "equality" via legal definition then you research......

I'm done in here. I have more interesting things on my mind than marriage...

I just hope next time "because its no fair because the Equal Protection Clause" is not used as an argument because no on here has applied ANY SCOTUS ruling correctly thus far.... Which is why gay marriage isn't legal.
 
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