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A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107:233]

Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

If you are speaking about abuses of said pill, well, that's all on the "child" who thought she was grownup enough to let some guy mount her......................

Maybe she mounted him :lol:
 
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then what will happen will it cause problems with the fetus or the mother?
why im asking because we all know many young ignorant girls will do just that they will take the pill when they are pregnant to try to terminate it

It will not harm an existing pregnancy.
 
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an fda finding that the pill is not harmful may be, may not be science

but a ruling that says some little girl is mature enough to go here---and there---without parental guidance is...

socially speaking, tragic
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

an fda finding that the pill is not harmful may be, may not be science

but a ruling that says some little girl is mature enough to go here---and there---without parental guidance is...

socially speaking, tragic

Liberals are blind to social tragedy. Look at the OP. A "pill" scored a victory, How ****ing stupid is that ?
 
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ridiculous comparison?

So you were comparing them.

they both involve medicine.

Fixed: They involve different types of medicines with different ramifications for their use.

they both can have major impacts on a person's life.

Fixed: They impact different aspects of a person's life.

they are both childen/parent rights issues.

Fixed:
They involve different children/parental rights issues.

i'll add another example that I see as quite similar, the issue of parents views on chemo therapy when they override the child's.

You seeing them as similar does not make them similar.

What you seemed to not understand, is I was asking actual questions and openly wondering how I see this issue. No false dichotomy existed. you just jumped in wanting to score stupid points for your oversized ego and jumped to conclusions as a result.

A false dichotomy did exist, as you were comparing an issue which involves sexual relations to ones who do not and continue to provide them as the alternative when there exist perfectly valid alternatives which also include the sexual perspective.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Please redirect to the topic, which is not other posters.
 
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I personally think it's a bad idea that a kid can't consent to her own dental work, or her own minor surgical procedure, but can take a drug, which is effective enough to prevent pregnancy, without parental consent.

I'm not quite sure why you're comparing surgical procedures to taking a pill that is safe enough to be sold over the counter. :confused:
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

a victory for the morning after pill but a defeat for parental rights and a defeat for the right to life

How do you figure that? If anything, this prevents abortions.
 
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The FDA does not regulate based on morality, they regulate based on what they think is best for public health. If anything I think the side with the most morals invested is likely the one that supports 100% OTC status for Plan B.

There is no way in hell that Plan B should be OTC while hormonal birth control is not, that doesn't make regulatory sense. I also think it's dangerous and that this is one of the drugs that should be sold OTC under safe use conditions to adults and to children with parental consent.
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill [W:107]

A victory for the morning-after pill
Opinion: A victory for the morning-after pill - CNN.com

Im glad this nonsense is over, if it met the requirements of other drugs not restricted there was ZERO reason to restrict this one.
The FDA assess danger and effectiveness etc. not morals.

Backup links:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mply-with-new-york-morning-after-pill-ruling/
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/health/court-birth-control/index.html
Outstanding!

So....no more crying when the only ER doc on duty refuses to offer it to a rape victim. Just go to Walgreens and buy it yourself.
 
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question that i would like an answer
what happens to the child when she finds out she is pregnant for a month because she misses her period and takes the plan b pill to terminate the pregnancy?

Uhh absolutely nothing? Seriously, it says on all the TV ads, and right on the box that this does not harm a pregnancy. Do you even know what product this thread is about?
 
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I'm not quite sure why you're comparing surgical procedures to taking a pill that is safe enough to be sold over the counter. :confused:

I'm not aware of any other sex hormone tablets that are sold OTC. Have they made birth control pills OTC, and I missed it?
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

I'm not aware of any other sex hormone tablets that are sold OTC. Have they made birth control pills OTC, and I missed it?

How does that answer my question?
 
Re: A victory for the morning-after pill

So you were comparing them.

I did suggest that I see common issues with the two, yes.

you continue to demonstrate a complete ignorance of the term false dichotomy, and it is is funny to see you flail about to defend it.

You seeing them as similar does not make them similar.

fixed - your opinion is duly noted.
 
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Outstanding!

So....no more crying when the only ER doc on duty refuses to offer it to a rape victim. Just go to Walgreens and buy it yourself.

Yes, let's send the traumatized rape victim out on her own to go to Walgreens and either delay her medical treatment or delay a very time-sensitive birth control method. Suck it up girl, some guy's political beliefs are at stake here!
 
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It isn't an answer, it's a question. Have they made birth control pills OTC, and I missed it?

Sorry, I'm not changing the subject.
 
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Sorry, I'm not changing the subject.

Birth control IS the subject, and it is now going to be legal for young girls to buy birth control OTC. That is perfectly on topic.
 
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I just don't understand why there was ever restrictions on it in the first place.
 
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Birth control IS the subject, and it is now going to be legal for young girls to buy birth control OTC. That is perfectly on topic.

Yeah.....and I asked why you're comparing birth control to surgical procedures in terms of parental consent. Do you really think they pose the same risk?
 
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Yeah.....and I asked why you're comparing birth control to surgical procedures in terms of parental consent. Do you really think they pose the same risk?

It's still a medical treatment and parents still must consent when medications are given to their children and can deny the use of medications if they do not want them used (unless of course courts step in in specific cases).

Not all surgical procedures are equal in risk, the same applies to drugs.
 
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Yeah.....and I asked why you're comparing birth control to surgical procedures in terms of parental consent. Do you really think they pose the same risk?

I believe that parental consent should be required for any prescription drug, just as it is for procedures. A child isn't always capable of making a sound and intelligent decision. This is a hormonal treatment that we are discussing. Birth control pills are not OTC. This one should not be either.
 
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I think the most rational solution and the safest solution for public health is to make plan be essentially an OTC item that must be dispensed in pharmacies under conditions of safe use as dictated by a pharmacist (which is similar to how things were).

Plan B is not something that should be used routinely, it does cause more side effects than most OTC products and there are some risks with it (changes in menstruation, post-use fertility, and increased bleeding are concerns). It should not be taken by men nor by younger girls. I think it's a public health mistake to put plan B 100% OTC for anyone to buy and use how they see fit without any guidance by a practitioner. From a legal standpoint it doesn't make sense to make Plan B an OTC drug while hormonal contraception is still prescription only. In many cases routine birth control shows less adverse effects and side effects than Plan B and is safer. I think this speaks to how screwed up the prescription system in the US is, but that's for another thread. I think that a parent should have the right to know if their child has been given Plan B and should consent to that. It is a hormone and it is used to prevent pregnancy, the parent has a right to know as a parent and it's within the role of a parent to make the decision for their child (who is a minor) if the child should receive Plan B or not, that is not a decision that I think a minor should be able to make on their own without any guidance. I also see potential dangers with men buying this drug and using it themselves for whatever reason or them forcing a woman to take it after unprotected sex. I also see potential problems with rapists forcing their victims to take the drug to prevent pregnancy which further violates the woman and may put her at more harm.
 
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. I think it's a public health mistake to put plan B 100% OTC for anyone to buy and use how they see fit without any guidance by a practitioner. From a legal standpoint it doesn't make sense to make Plan B an OTC drug while hormonal contraception is still prescription only.

Exactly. People are acting as if this is some harmless little aspirin. Sex hormones (just as with other hormones) are not something that should be taken without serious consideration. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go grab a Levothyroxin off the shelf, if I thought my thyroid was underactive.
 
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