• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181, 607]

Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Boo Radley said:
It should noted people are not animals.
Click to expand...

actually we are

What makes a person is more than the physical or biological.
Click to expand...

sex is a biological trait
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Dr. Chuckles said:
No, it really isn't. We do not concede to the basis of visual identification, based on physical characteristics, over that of actual genetic testing. We use them in the absence of genetic testing, when the better determination of genetic testing isn't available

right, your biological sex usually leads to various physical characteristics that help determine sex, based on visual identification, but they do not replace or supercede your genetic and biological sex

it wasn't a red herring. it speaks to you citing secondary characteristics as superseding what those secondary characteristics are derived from
Click to expand...
I've never made any argument about "secondary characteristics" or anything other than to say that sex is not just DNA. Since, I've never made such arguments, your introduction of them into the conversation is, in fact, a red herring. I'm not going to debate a red herring. Period.

It speaks volumes, however, that since you can't deny the accuracy of my actual argument, you've gone on a tangent.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Boo Radley said:
No, we are not. And we are more than the biological.
Click to expand...

I'm actually interested in what you are eluding to here.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

ThePlayDrive said:
I've never made any argument about "secondary characteristics" or anything other than to say that sex is not just DNA. Since, I've never made such arguments, your introduction of them into the conversation is, in fact, a red herring. I'm not going to debate a red herring. Period.

It speaks volumes, however, that since you can't deny the accuracy of my actual argument, you've gone on a tangent.
Click to expand...

You really have no idea what he was getting at. Sad.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Henrin said:
I'm actually interested in what you are eluding to here.
Click to expand...

We think, have reason, fight biological instincts of all kinds, reach higher than just food and shelter, know compassion and hate and the difference. We're more complex, able to reach a higher plain. More than mere biology.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Boo Radley said:
We think, have reason, fight biological instincts of all kinds, reach higher than just food and shelter, know compassion and hate and the difference. We're more complex, able to reach a higher plain. More than mere biology.
Click to expand...

but at the end of the day we are still animals ...
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Boo Radley said:
No. We're more.
Click to expand...

No, we are still animals, biologically. You can claim we transcended such philosophically or even spiritually, but we are still biologically animals
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Boo Radley said:
We think, have reason, fight biological instincts of all kinds, reach higher than just food and shelter, know compassion and hate and the difference. We're more complex, able to reach a higher plain. More than mere biology.
Click to expand...

Which has what to do with anything?
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

ThePlayDrive said:
This, again, is inaccurate.

The problem with your argument is that it limits sex to DNA. However, DNA is not the only thing that determines sex. DNA in addition to genitalia, reproductive organs, hormone levels and other aspects also determine the sex of an individual. You refuse to acknowledge this. You repeat the same argument in every thread about transgenderism and always refuse to acknowledge the above. It's time to stop.
Click to expand...

Your DNA is what drives sexual development. In nearly every single case an embryo that inherits the X and Y chromosome will develop sexually as a male, this deviates only when an abnormality is present. Please note how I said people with health XY genetics (no abnormalities or fetal hormone problems) will develop male or female. People with genetic abnormalities may developed intersex or have abnormal sexual development. If you took a sample from a transsexual person their genetics (if they have a healthy genome) will state that they are the sex that they are born with. DNA is the backbone that pretty much determines everything physically about a person. The instructions for sexual development come from the DNA. A physiologically healthy male has a male body, that will not change.
 
Last edited:
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

MaggieD said:
Scientifically, one's sex is determined by DNA. In a social, psychological or cosmetic construct, it may be determined by other factors. But one's DNA determines whether a human being was born male or female. All the surgeries, counseling, hormones, etc., etc., in the world don't change that.
Click to expand...

So. One day soon we will be able to change our genes. To reprogram ourselves. Until then there are hormone s and surgery.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

captainawesome said:
So. One day soon we will be able to change our genes. To reprogram ourselves. Until then there are hormone s and surgery.
Click to expand...

Maybe change genes in a single cell embryo, but I highly doubt this will happen for adults. Changing someone's genetics may kill them, it will kill someone if you introduce an extra X or delete every Y chromosome in someone, their body will not adjust, especially to the extra X.

Even so, someone born male or female and then changing all of their genes would not likely physiologically change them. The penis would not turn into a vagina and the testes would not become ovaries, those organs have differentiated during fetal development and likely could not revert back and then go through development again because the genetics in an adult were changed.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Dr. Chuckles said:
No, we are still animals, biologically. You can claim we transcended such philosophically or even spiritually, but we are still biologically animals
Click to expand...

How do you know the word biology? Can my dog explain biology?
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Henrin said:
Which has what to do with anything?
Click to expand...

The very concept of biology is human. We learn, adjust, redefine. Even biology is a human construct.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Boo Radley said:
How do you know the word biology? Can my dog explain biology?
Click to expand...

lol, if you seriously have some beef with humans being designated animals, I suggest you take it up with the long and extensive amount of scientific evidence supporting that conclusion. But I really have no interest in debating such a silly notion

but maybe this will help:

Well, I wouldn't say all of you dress up! But seriously, are you asking if humans are animals? If so, the answer is yes-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s!!! 



Scientists describe virtually everything that is alive as animal or plant. So, if you're not a plant then you are an animal! In fact, you are a specific kind of animal called a mammal. Know what you all have in common? Your mothers have breast milk that can feed young; you have hair or fur; and you are born live instead of inside an egg or case! In fact, human mammals are born not only alive -- but kicking and screaming!
Click to expand...

Discovery Kids :: Tell Me - Are humans considered animals?
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Boo Radley said:
The very concept of biology is human. We learn, adjust, redefine. Even biology is a human construct.
Click to expand...

Can humans alter their DNA on a whim? I find your post extremely naive, bordering on ignorant...
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

digsbe said:
Maybe change genes in a single cell embryo, but I highly doubt this will happen for adults. Changing someone's genetics may kill them, it will kill someone if you introduce an extra X or delete every Y chromosome in someone, their body will not adjust, especially to the extra X.

Even so, someone born male or female and then changing all of their genes would not likely physiologically change them. The penis would not turn into a vagina and the testes would not become ovaries, those organs have differentiated during fetal development and likely could not revert back and then go through development again because the genetics in an adult were changed.
Click to expand...

Dude grow them from stem cells and do a transplant. We will be able to in 20 years.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

AlabamaPaul said:
Can humans alter their DNA on a whim? I find your post extremely naive, bordering on ignorant...
Click to expand...

We have become good at plants. Next animals.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Dr. Chuckles said:
lol, if you seriously have some beef with humans being designated animals, I suggest you take it up with the long and extensive amount of scientific evidence supporting that conclusion. But I really have no interest in debating such a silly notion

but maybe this will help:



Discovery Kids :: Tell Me - Are humans considered animals?
Click to expand...

You're missing the point. And you didn't answer my question.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Is this individual still on active duty?
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

AlabamaPaul said:
Can humans alter their DNA on a whim? I find your post extremely naive, bordering on ignorant...
Click to expand...

No, but I can learn more about what makes up a human, and note that we are often more than one narrowly defined sex. Brain make up is different, largely made that way by the very DNA you speak of.
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

captainawesome said:
We have become good at plants. Next animals.
Click to expand...

Good luck altering the DNA of a living "animal" in the hopes of changing it into something of your choosing...
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Boo Radley said:
No, but I can learn more about what makes up a human, and note that we are often more than one narrowly defined sex. Brain make up is different, largely made that way by the very DNA you speak of.
Click to expand...

Unless you are born a hermaphrodite, you are just what you are...
 
Re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

captainawesome said:
Dude grow them from stem cells and do a transplant. We will be able to in 20 years.
Click to expand...

So... We grow sex organs in a lab and give them as transplants? Even if we could I highly doubt surgical medicine would advance to the point of being able to insert a completely foreign organ system into another person and have them be functional, especially giving a male a full female organ system.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom