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Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181, 607]

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Why would a parent not "feel good" about their child already regardless of their sexual orientation?

Parents want grandchildren.
 
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Whatever dude, I don't care.

We knew you didn't care about truth or facts early on. But that didn't stop you from spouting off.

It's really useless to argue with those who think their prejudices are facts and facts are useless. For them, as noted earlier, ignorance is strength. But it also allows those WH have low self esteem to feel better about themselves. This warrior served and deserves the happiness she desires. Nothing more needs be said.
 
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Here's the thing. Facts and biology say he is a man. You cannot change that. A genetically healthy person with XY or XX chromosomes will be male or female and that does not change. Altering the body to aesthetically appear like the other sex does not change their sex. He may feel like a woman, he may want to be a woman and he may try to look like a woman but he will never ever be a woman.
This, again, is inaccurate.

The problem with your argument is that it limits sex to DNA. However, DNA is not the only thing that determines sex. DNA in addition to genitalia, reproductive organs, hormone levels and other aspects also determine the sex of an individual. You refuse to acknowledge this. You repeat the same argument in every thread about transgenderism and always refuse to acknowledge the above. It's time to stop.
 
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This, again, is inaccurate.

The problem with your argument is that it limits sex to DNA. However, DNA is not the only thing that determines sex. DNA in addition to genitalia, reproductive organs, hormone levels and other aspects also determine the sex of an individual. You refuse to acknowledge this. You repeat the same argument in every thread about transgenderism and always refuse to acknowledge the above. It's time to stop.

actually, from my understanding, it's solely based DNA. As in, someone will still be biologically sexed as a male, despite castration, suppression of hormones, etc

Gender is another topic entirely
 
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I wasn't targeting you, Maggie. I know homosexuals and have met their families. Of course, this is anecdotal and contributes little to the discussion.

Every post on here is either anecdotal or unsubstantiated unless it links to an expert citation. What do you think an opinion is all about?
 
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We knew you didn't care about truth or facts early on. But that didn't stop you from spouting off.

It's really useless to argue with those who think their prejudices are facts and facts are useless. For them, as noted earlier, ignorance is strength. But it also allows those WH have low self esteem to feel better about themselves. This warrior served and deserves the happiness she desires. Nothing more needs be said.

Let's be clear, CC argument is all linked back to gender which is a social construct making his argument laughably absurd for what he is trying to use it for. What is even worse is that he knows its not a good argument towards his goals, but he sitting there all the same passing it off as legit. If he wasn't so goddamn dishonest I could take him seriously, but he can't bring himself to be honest for even a second and so all I will do is mock his dishonestly.

It would be one thing if I was dealing with someone that didn't know what the problem was, be he damn well knows its crap, and so, yeah, I'm treating it accordingly.
 
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actually, from my understanding, it's solely based DNA. As in, someone will still be biologically sexed as a male, despite castration, suppression of hormones, etc

Gender is another topic entirely

Which is why they moved the damn target to gender. It's dishonest and honestly bull****.

They just know they can't actually claim they these people are actually female, so why not move to a social realm of bull****.
 
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actually, from my understanding, it's solely based DNA. As in, someone will still be biologically sexed as a male, despite castration, suppression of hormones, etc
No, sex certainly refers to more than just DNA. There are plenty of places to find the definition of sex, but the following is one of the most thorough:

Sex refers to a person’s biological status and is typically categorized as male, female, or intersex (i.e., atypical combinations of features that usually distinguish male from female). There are a number of indicators of biological sex, including sex chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive organs, and external genitalia.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf
 
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Let's be clear, CC argument is all linked back to gender which is a social construct making his argument laughably absurd for what he is trying to use it for. What is even worse is that he knows its not a good argument towards his goals, but he sitting there all the same passing it off as legit. If he wasn't so goddamn dishonest I could take him seriously, but he can't bring himself to be honest for even a second and so all I will do is mock his dishonestly.

It would be one thing if I was dealing with someone that didn't know what the problem was, be he damn well knows its crap, and so, yeah, I'm treating it accordingly.

I stand by what I said.

CC is a bright fellow and he is far more accurate here than are. Others also handled your arguments as well. I have no desire to go over covered ground, or to combat willful ignorance.
 
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I stand by what I said.

CC is a bright fellow and he is far more accurate here than are. Others also handled your arguments as well. I have no desire to go over covered ground, or to combat willful ignorance.

My arguments haven't been faced. Gender has no bearing on the case. Even if you were to include genitals you can't actually claim these individuals have changed sexes due to A DNA and b. that ***** ain't no *****. It's just a fact, baby. What you gotta do claim their boobs developed due to hormones? That isn't even argument. A mans boobs will develop with the proper hormones put in place. It's just a duh statement.
 
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No, sex certainly refers to more than just DNA. There are plenty of places to find the definition of sex, but the following is one of the most thorough:

Sex refers to a person’s biological status and is typically categorized as male, female, or intersex (i.e., atypical combinations of features that usually distinguish male from female). There are a number of indicators of biological sex, including sex chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive organs, and external genitalia.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf

I love the source and the purpose behind it. Lol worthy indeed.
 
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My arguments haven't been faced. Gender has no bearing on the case. Even if you were include genitals you can't actually claim these individuals have changed sexes due to A DNA and b. that ***** ain't no *****. It's just a fact, baby. What you gotta do claim their boobs developed due to hormones? That isn't even argument. A mans boobs will develop with the proper hormones put in place. It's just a duh statement.

We've heard you and the counter arguments have been made. Nothing has changed from my first post. :coffeepap
 
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I love the source and the purpose behind it. Lol worthy indeed.

Meaning you have your fingers in your ears going nanana.
 
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No, sex certainly refers to more than just DNA. There are plenty of places to find the definition of sex, but the following is one of the most thorough:

Sex refers to a person’s biological status and is typically categorized as male, female, or intersex (i.e., atypical combinations of features that usually distinguish male from female). There are a number of indicators of biological sex, including sex chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive organs, and external genitalia.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf

I'm not sure psychologists are the best source for a biological designation and definition

In a human, the normal chromosomes complement is 46, 44 of which are autosomes ***while 2 distinct chromosomes are deemed sex chromosomes, which determine the sex of an organism and various sex linked characteristics.***

In most animals, those who possess XX chromosomes are female while male animals possess an X and a Y chromosome. However, this is not true of all organisms, as it can be reversed in some species.

Sex Determination

***A humans' sex is predetermined in the sperm gamete.***

The egg gamete mother cell is said to be homogametic, because all its cell possess the XX sex chromosomes. sperm gametes are deemed heterogametic because around half of them contain the X chromosome and others possess the Y chromosome to compliment the first X chromosome.

In light of this, there are two possibilities that can occur during fertilisation between male and female gametes, XX and XY. Since sperm are the variable factor (i.e. which sperm fertilises the egg) they are responsible for determining sex.

Chromosomes X and Y and Sex Determination - Biology Online
 
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Meaning you have your fingers in your ears going nanana.

Did you look at the source and little fine print. It's pretty funny.

No agenda there, nope.
 
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We've heard you and the counter arguments have been made. Nothing has changed from my first post. :coffeepap

Which were what? :lamo
 
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Did you look at the source and little fine print. It's pretty funny.

No agenda there, nope.

Agenda? Yes anything contrary has an agenda. I understand.
 
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I'm not sure psychologists are the best source for a biological designation and definition

Chromosomes X and Y and Sex Determination - Biology Online
From the same website, the definition of sex:

Definition

noun, plural: sexes

(1) The assemblage of characters or qualities of being a male or a female in animals and plants.

(2) The genitals; the physical distinction between male and female.

(3) Coitus; sexual intercourse

Sex - definition from Biology-Online.org

Sex is not just DNA. Period. Penises and vaginas among other things are part of what constitute our sex. Nobody would argue otherwise outside of a thread where admitting that is inconvenient.
 
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From the same website, the definition of sex:

Sex is not just DNA. Period. Penises and vaginas among other things are part of what constitute our sex. Nobody would argue otherwise outside of a thread where admitting that is inconvenient.

Scientifically, one's sex is determined by DNA. In a social, psychological or cosmetic construct, it may be determined by other factors. But one's DNA determines whether a human being was born male or female. All the surgeries, counseling, hormones, etc., etc., in the world don't change that.
 
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From the same website, the definition of sex:



Sex is not just DNA. Period. Penises and vaginas among other things are part of what constitute our sex. Nobody would argue otherwise outside of a thread where admitting that is inconvenient.

I'm not sure citing secondary characteristics that it outlines as determined through chromosomal sex helps your case. Its like citing the visual characteristics of a frog that help determine its sex as the thing that defines it sex. Ignoring that they are secondary due to the fact they are largely dependent on the defining factor of chromonsonal sex and are only used when there is an absence of a measure of the later
 
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Scientifically, one's sex is determined by DNA. In a social, psychological or cosmetic construct, it may be determined by other factors. But one's DNA determines whether a human being was born male or female. All the surgeries, counseling, hormones, etc., etc., in the world don't change that.

I'm not sure how many times that needs to be said, but apparently a lot.
 
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PS and we remove the sexual organs of animals all the time. But such does not change their underlying biological sex.

So yes, I would make the same argument outside this thread.
 
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I'm not sure citing secondary characteristics that it outlines as determined through chromosomal sex helps your case. Its like citing the visual characteristics of a frog that help determine its sex as the thing that defines it sex. Ignoring that they are secondary due to the fact they are largely dependent on the defining factor of chromonsonal sex and are only used when there is an absence of a measure of the later
Whether they are "secondary" or some other qualifier is meaningless. DNA is not the only aspect of a person's sex - that's my only argument. You either accept that or you don't, but going off with a red herring about "secondary" vs whatever is useless.
 
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PS and we remove the sexual organs of animals all the time. But such does not change their underlying biological sex.

So yes, I would make the same argument outside this thread.

It should noted people are not animals. What makes a person is more than the physical or biological.
 
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Whether they are "secondary" or some other qualifier is meaningless.

No, it really isn't. We do not concede to the basis of visual identification, based on physical characteristics, over that of actual genetic testing. We use them in the absence of genetic testing, when the better determination of genetic testing isn't available


DNA is not the only aspect of a person's sex - that's my only argument.

right, your biological sex usually leads to various physical characteristics that help determine sex, based on visual identification, but they do not replace or supercede your genetic and biological sex



You either accept that or you don't, but going off with a red herring about "secondary" vs whatever is useless.

it wasn't a red herring. it speaks to you citing secondary characteristics as superseding what those secondary characteristics are derived from
 
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