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Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181, 607]

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Why do people continue to believe they can change sexes? Are people really this stupid?

It's not changing sex. It's fixing her outsides to match her insides.

You know what bugs me, really? I'm supposed to accept people for who they are, but when it comes to this topic everyone wants me to accept people for who they are not.

And the point is that she actually is female. That is who she is.

It has nothing to do with my ideology, but with facts. A man is a man and can never not be a man. Facts are just bothering people in this debate for some reason.

Right, and despite all the things trying to make this woman be a man, she cannot. Because she isn't a man.
 
re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

They can change as much as possible, leading to a new identity. You had trouble at that starting point.

There is no starting point. You're entire argument was fail. You just think I care what what some freely defined word means and I don't. I care for facts and the fact is the dude is a dude.
 
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It's not changing sex. It's fixing her outsides to match her insides.

Yes, that meaningless crap.


And the point is that she actually is female. That is who she is.

You can define the word gender however you want. I really don't care and it changes nothing.

Right, and despite all the things trying to make this woman be a man, she cannot. Because she isn't a man.

Nope, he was a man before and he will be a man when he finishes it all up. Nothing will change.

The shear denial in on this topic is really bizarre. I'm out.
 
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There is no starting point. You're entire argument was fail. You just think I care what what some freely defined word means and I don't. I care for facts and the fact is the dude is a dude.

You just spent time arguing about what a term means. You do care. Lastly, you do not care for facts, but rather the interpretation of supposed facts. The interpretation you have is that despite whatever changes this individual makes to their appearance, mannerisms, or lifestyle, that person is fixed in one of two categories. That isn't a fact so much as a constructed meaning from characteristics, while you ignore the others and potentially downplay others.
 
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You just spent time arguing about what a term means. You do care. Lastly, you do not care for facts, but rather the interpretation of supposed facts. The interpretation you have is that despite whatever changes this individual makes to their appearance, mannerisms, or lifestyle, that person is fixed in one of two categories. That isn't a fact so much as a constructed meaning from characteristics, while you ignore the others and potentially downplay others.

:lamo Dude, just stop failing. To say that taking hormones and inverting your dick while doing Frankenstein work changes your sex is being ignorant of biology. You're wrong and you can either get to understanding that or stay in denial over this fact.

Lastly, your idea you can use the term gender to redefine science is so freaking wrong there is really no reason to even explain it. Just a good something to laugh at really.
 
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re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

No, she is a she, period.

He's a he. He was born a he and will die a he. No surgery is going to alter his birth or change his genetic code to redefine his biological sex as female. We can get into the ethical thing regarding gender roles and what defines a male and female, but biologically he will remain male forever, there is no changing that.
 
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:lamo Dude, just stop failing. To say that taking hormones and inverting your dick while doing Frankenstein work changes your sex is being ignorant of biology. You're wrong and you can either get to understanding that or stay in denial over this fact.

They won't be able to reproduce functions of a sexual organ and whatnot, but for most intents and purposes, they are moving toward being what you call "female." The only one that's failing is you.
 
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They won't be able to reproduce functions of a sexual organ and whatnot, but for most intents and purposes, they are moving toward being what you call "female." The only one that's failing is you.

:doh For goodness sakes, your arguments are getting worse. Stop thinking you are making sense, you are not in any way making any sense.
 
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:doh For goodness sakes, your arguments are getting worse. Stop thinking you are making sense, you aren't.

Alright, Henrin. I'll pretend you have a grasp on this if it will please your ego.
 
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He's a he. He was born a he and will die a he. No surgery is going to alter his birth or change his genetic code to redefine his biological sex as female. We can get into the ethical thing regarding gender roles and what defines a male and female, but biologically he will remain male forever, there is no changing that.

No she is a she, and it is highly disrespectful to to call her otherwise. Especially since she risked her ass protecting your freedoms.
 
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You know what bugs me, really? I'm supposed to accept people for who they are, but when it comes to this topic everyone wants me to accept people for who they are not.

If you accepted her for who she is, you'd accept her as a woman. Look at her.
 
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Alright, Henrin. I'll pretend you have a grasp on this if it will please your ego.

You can't change your sex. Get over this fact already and stop thinking inverting a dick matters to this question in any way. It's like saying cutting off your arm makes you a different species. Nope, still a human being. Nothing changed except now you only have one arm.
 
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You can't change your sex. Get over this fact already and stop thinking inverting a dick matters to this question in any way. It's like saying cutting off your arm making you a monkey. Nope, still a human being. Nothing changed except now you only have one arm.

You are right. I am wrong.

[continues to go along with the charade]
 
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The misgendering in this thread is sickening.

It's her people, her. It's not that ****ing complicated. :doh
He's a "he" unless and until his legal sex is changed.
 
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No she is a she, and it is highly disrespectful to to call her otherwise. Especially since she risked her ass protecting your freedoms.

Why is he a she? Because he says so and believes it to be true for himself? When speaking with a trans person I'll call them by whatever pronoun they want. If they are a transvestite that swaps between appearing male or female I'll even change what I call them depending on what they want. However, I'm not changing what I believe to be ethically true about their chosen presentation and will continue believe that they are completely wrong in how they present themselves. In my beliefs and to me they will always be male and according to biological facts their body will always be male regardless of how it looks (for MTF transsexuals or transvestites that change their desired gender).
 
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No, she is a she, period.
Boys don't have those. Didn't you ever attend a basic sex ed class in school?
 
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If you accepted her for who she is, you'd accept her as a woman. Look at her.

It's a man, baby.
 
re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

No, it is not.

"it"?

Aren't you arguing that she is still a he? Why say "it", why not "he"?

Personally I refer to a transgender person by whichever pronoun he or she prefers to use.
 
re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Why do people continue to believe they can change sexes? Are people really this stupid?

You can change the gender you present yourself as.
 
re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Personally I refer to a transgender person by whichever pronoun he or she prefers to use.

Right there I think is the ultimate answer. If having [faux] lady parts and looking/acting the part does it for her, why not play along?
 
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You can change the gender you present yourself as.

That term is pointless. What they are doing is presenting themselves as the opposite sex, and I'm sorry, but it's a lie.
 
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That term is pointless. What they are doing is presenting themselves as the opposite sex, and I'm sorry, but it's a lie.

It is a lie, but sometimes it's good and proper to lie.
 
re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

It is a lie, but sometimes it's good and proper to lie.

Not in this case.
 
re: Transgender Navy SEAL 'Warrior Princess' Comes Out[W:181]

Look, I'm no fan of the makeup face. It's a special torture now that this grandpa has a granddaughter in her early teens. The experiments, good god! But she likes it and I'm going to tell her she looks beautiful regardless.

Why not let this her feel good about herself when it's absolutely no skin off your nose?
 
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