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U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies

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Documents: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

"The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person’s movements and contacts over time.

The highly classified program, code-named PRISM, has not been disclosed publicly before. Its establishment in 2007 and six years of exponential growth took place beneath the surface of a roiling debate over the boundaries of surveillance and privacy. Even late last year, when critics of the foreign intelligence statute argued for changes, the only members of Congress who knew about PRISM were bound by oaths of office to hold their tongues."
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This just keeps getting better.
 
They are discussing this on CNN right now.
 
jmotivator said:
Documents: U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program




This just keeps getting better.
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Of course they do. Did anyone doubt this? Been telling people they need to stop for some time now. That if you don't pay attention, you're going to allow government to do horrible things. No one cared. Damned straight they are doing everything possible to pull as much data as they can on all of us and store it and keep it nice and safe in case they need to use it against us.

Don't you love the current course of government. Keeping us nice and safe. You better like it, else you're gonna be on a list too.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
LOL - and people honestly wondered why giving Bush permission to wiretap / etc - without warrant was bad . . . it eventually explodes and turns into something like this - a revisit of the Communism FBI affairs from the early 1900's
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Exactly. Everyone let fear dominate their rationality and excused gross expansion of government. This is the natural conclusion of that gross expansion. Duh!
 
Pretty sure the DP data they mine will set off their virus detectors and quite possibly crash the entire works when they try to make sense of it :mrgreen:
 
This, from the guy who promised transparency... accountability... change...

Was he blowing smoke the whole time? Or did he do a 180 after he learned what we're really up against?

Perhaps we'll find out in 2056.
 
Ikari said:
Exactly. Everyone let fear dominate their rationality and excused gross expansion of government. This is the natural conclusion of that gross expansion. Duh!
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LOL, "everyone". No.
 
Ikari said:
Exactly. Everyone let fear dominate their rationality and excused gross expansion of government. This is the natural conclusion of that gross expansion. Duh!
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It's a bit frustrating when you realize that simply knowing history doesn't mean you won't repeat it.
 
Not surprised. Still pissed. Trying to figure out a way to stop this.
 
New York Times: "The administration has lost all credibility"

President Obama's Dragnet

For everyone, there comes a time where you've just had enough and it's time to say "when"
 
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This is why rational actors distrust government.
 
A) The fact people seem to find this surprising amuses me.

B) If these companies are allowing access, your complaint is not with the government, but rather the systems which are allowing access.
 
My opinion has been and remains that FISA is sufficiently robust and flexible to deal with the contemporary terrorist threat in a timely fashion, while safeguarding the basic constitutional rights of Americans. Unfortunately, post-9/11 laws have made possible today's dramatic escalation of domestic surveillance, even if such laws were adopted with the best of intentions. Congress should launch a bipartisan and transparent investigation into the recent reports of far-reaching domestic surveillance, as it may raise profound constitutional issues in the absence of clear and firm restraints.
 
Been telling people they need to stop
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and america failed to listen to YOU?

imagine that

maybe you shoulda provided a link

mom and pop were too busy listening to someone else, evidently

No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people – not the President of the United States, and not the telecommunications companies that fell in line with his warrantless surveillance program. We have to make clear the lines that cannot be crossed.

That is why I am co-sponsoring Senator Dodd’s amendment to remove the immunity provision. Secrecy must not trump accountability. We must show our citizens – and set an example to the world – that laws cannot be ignored when it is inconvenient.

A grassroots movement of Americans has pushed this issue to the forefront. You have come together across this country. You have called upon our leaders to adhere to the Constitution. You have sent a message to the halls of power that the American people will not permit the abuse of power – and demanded that we reclaim our core values by restoring the rule of law.

It’s time for Washington to hear your voices, and to act. I share your commitment to this cause, and will stand with you in the fights to come. And when I am President, the American people will once again be able to trust that their government will stand for justice, and will defend the liberties that we hold so dear as vigorously as we defend our security.
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Barack Obama Statement on Surveillance | Firedoglake

you're gonna be on a list too
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well, if you use a phone...
 
poweRob said:
Like I said in your other thread...

Nice to see that a conservative finally gives a **** about this kind of stuff.
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As I have always said, never accept powers for yourself that you wouldn't trust to a political rival.
 
poweRob said:
Like I said in your other thread...

Nice to see that a conservative finally gives a **** about this kind of stuff.
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I can't speak for anybody but myself, Rob, and I will freely admit that I wasn't aware of this issue until now. Thanks for bringing it up because I may not be the only one who didn't know.

But this doesn't mean that my concern is hypocritical or partisan either. I really didn't know. Now I do. And I don't really care which party is in power; what I care about is the issue itself and the abrogation of my rights as a citizen.
 
nota bene said:
I can't speak for anybody but myself, Rob, and I will freely admit that I wasn't aware of this issue until now. Thanks for bringing it up because I may not be the only one who didn't know.

But this doesn't mean that my concern is hypocritical or partisan either. I really didn't know. Now I do. And I don't really care which party is in power; what I care about is the issue itself and the abrogation of my rights as a citizen.
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I doubt conservative new sources covered it much when Bush implemented it. So when I see conservatives just now getting angry, it's beginning to chaffe my arse. Not pointing to you just the hyperbolic threads being started about it who then try to tell us all that pointing to Bush about anything is irrelevant because the point is to bash Obama. The issue is serious. So partisans acting partisan on this topic can piss off.
 
It is odd that this is coming out now... all of a sudden.. since it has been pretty much common knowledge in Europe that the US government was doing this, since they requested all this information for anyone wanting to go to the US from European countries for 10 or so years now. The fact that the US wanted even more but got a no from the EU... stuff like sexual orientation and religion... but in the end only get access to our financial records...brilliant! When can I get access to the financial records of Americans who visit Europe?.. oh I cant..

On top of that there has been cases where financial transactions between two European countries have been blocked by the US federal government as "terrorist activity"... things like buying Cuban cigars.. all because for some strange reason sending money from one European country to another European country... some how happened to pass through a US server. Yes the US is actually a thief.

Or cases where domain names have been siezed by the US despite the domains running legal stuff targeting non Americans and all the content being hosted outside the US...

Sorry but nothing of this should be shocking anyone since it has been going on ever since 9/11 and in some non Internet related stuff... long before that.
 
My opinion has been and remains that FISA is sufficiently robust and flexible to deal with the contemporary terrorist threat in a timely fashion, while safeguarding the basic constitutional rights of Americans.
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I can't belive that all Americans are terrorists.
 
Yes it was implemented during Bush era, shame on him. It was continued for the last 5 years too - so who you going to blame then? My guess is the Republican congress? Any time ofailure deserves an ounce of blame you partisan hacks are all alike - blame Bush give the failure in charge a full pass. Pathetic.


poweRob said:
I doubt conservative new sources covered it much when Bush implemented it. So when I see conservatives just now getting angry, it's beginning to chaffe my arse. Not pointing to you just the hyperbolic threads being started about it who then try to tell us all that pointing to Bush about anything is irrelevant because the point is to bash Obama. The issue is serious. So partisans acting partisan on this topic can piss off.
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