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Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

I think libs have to concede that cons kicked their butts in this public relations war on ACA ... they were relentless trashing it, taking nearly 40 votes to repeal it, lying about it ... it has worked ... let's see what happens after 2014 ... but libs, you need to concede that you got your butts kicked on this ... up to this point at least ...
 
Shadow Serious said:
Then we have to agree to disagree.


I believe I agreed with you on that point.



And I agree on that point.



Obama comes fairly close and it wont happen as long as State governments have at least some power retained to them. Also both side would have a heart attack if a real libertarian or constitutional party were brought to the fore.


The People sholuld resent the imposition of an ideological view thru the force of law. Having the Dems and Repubs go at one another is at most a distant second best.
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Obama is hardly an extreme liberal.

Aw as ideology? Like what?
 
wbcoleman said:
The entire mainstream media fell madly in love with this guy. Wake up!
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Still making excuses. No ability to take person responsibility. It's always some one's fault other then he candidate or the party. Poor little republicans. :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
wbcoleman said:
This was true for a very long while, certainly during the New Deal coalition days, but it's a lot less so now. The Democratic caucus in the current House is pretty damned homogeneous.
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We can tell by all they've accomplished? :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
windowdressing said:
I think libs have to concede that cons kicked their butts in this public relations war on ACA ... they were relentless trashing it, taking nearly 40 votes to repeal it, lying about it ... it has worked ... let's see what happens after 2014 ... but libs, you need to concede that you got your butts kicked on this ... up to this point at least ...
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This has been going on for nearly four years. Perhaps it's time for liberals to admit to themselves which side has been doing the lying.
 
Boo Radley said:
Still making excuses. No ability to take person responsibility. It's always some one's fault other then he candidate or the party. Poor little republicans. :lamo:lamo:lamo
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Excuse me, YOU are the one who constantly makes excuses for O's obvious inability to persuade people on O-care. It's always someone else's fault.
 
wbcoleman said:
Excuse me, YOU are the one who constantly makes excuses for O's obvious inability to persuade people on O-care. It's always someone else's fault.
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I've no excuses for Obama. None.
 
wbcoleman said:
Why are you acting stupid? You know perfectly well why they can't accomplish anything.
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They was a time they could, had they been of one mind. They weren't and they didn't.
 
Boo Radley said:
They was a time they could, had they been of one mind. They weren't and they didn't.
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They could when they had the majority, and they can't when they're in the minority. It's pretty simple.
 
wbcoleman said:
They could when they had the majority, and they can't when they're in the minority. It's pretty simple.
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They didn't when they were the majority. Couldn't agree.
 
Boo Radley said:
They didn't when they were the majority. Couldn't agree.
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What alternative universe are you living in? They passed Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and Stimulation when they had the majority. What are you smoking???
 
wbcoleman said:
This has been going on for nearly four years. Perhaps it's time for liberals to admit to themselves which side has been doing the lying.
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I disagree WB ... Don't try to take the credit away from cons and Lbercons ... you guys have done one hell of a job ... don't be so modest ...
 
Boo Radley said:
Nope. I've done nothing of he kind. I haven't mentioned him at all.
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You've spent most of the thread constantly repeating the lame excuse that Barack Obama, President of the United States and owner of The Bully Pulpit, has been the helpless victim of "misinformation". Even if the criticisms of Obamacare were that -- and they are NOT -- the question remains, why can't the silver-tongued O refute the misinformation? It obviously isn't his fault!

"So, there is a disconnect, not to mention scare tactics and misinformation being thrown at them"

"I am as well. Far too much misinformation floating around."

"Sadly it is certainly true the misinformation is doing better in reaching the public than Obama's arguments in favor of it. I think these polls show that."

"It would be if it wasn't the truth. Misinformation is very, very hard to get around. Nothing is harder than to educate someone on something he THINKS he knows."

"Like I said, some are easily swayed by the rhetoric, the spin, and the silliness."

"You're shocked by this? Misinformation rules this country."
 
wbcoleman said:
Who the hell is more liberal than O? Nixon?
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I'm afraid you may be suffering from the "If he's black, he must be liberal" syndrome (it's an old ailment and contagious among cons) ... I don't have time for this, so I did a quick search and found this (but we can of course agree to disagree - I've always seen him as an old moderate Republican) ...

By Napp Nazworth, Christian Post Reporter

January 23, 2013|12:49 pm

Many pundits, both liberal and conservative, have claimed that President Barack Obama's inauguration speech indicated a more liberal direction for the president's second term. If true, this would be a significant shift because, by at least one measure, Obama is the most conservative Democratic president in the post-World War II period.

Two University of Georgia political science professors, Keith Poole and Christopher Hare, have examined the positions on congressional legislation of every president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt and scored the positions on a liberal to conservative scale. Based upon this data, Obama is closest to the center of all six of the Democratic presidents who followed Roosevelt.

Obama is slightly more centrist than Lyndon B. Johnson and Harry Truman, and much more centrist than Jimmy Carter, John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. Placed in order from most liberal to least liberal, those six presidents would be ranked like this: Carter, Kennedy, Clinton, Truman, Johnson, Obama.

Read more at Obama Most Conservative Democratic President Since WWII?
 
windowdressing said:
I'm afraid you may be suffering from the "If he's black, he must be liberal" syndrome (it's an old ailment and contagious among cons) ... I don't have time for this, so I did a quick search and found this (but we can of course agree to disagree - I've always seen him as an old moderate Republican) ...

By Napp Nazworth, Christian Post Reporter

January 23, 2013|12:49 pm

Many pundits, both liberal and conservative, have claimed that President Barack Obama's inauguration speech indicated a more liberal direction for the president's second term. If true, this would be a significant shift because, by at least one measure, Obama is the most conservative Democratic president in the post-World War II period.

Two University of Georgia political science professors, Keith Poole and Christopher Hare, have examined the positions on congressional legislation of every president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt and scored the positions on a liberal to conservative scale. Based upon this data, Obama is closest to the center of all six of the Democratic presidents who followed Roosevelt.

Obama is slightly more centrist than Lyndon B. Johnson and Harry Truman, and much more centrist than Jimmy Carter, John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. Placed in order from most liberal to least liberal, those six presidents would be ranked like this: Carter, Kennedy, Clinton, Truman, Johnson, Obama.

Read more at Obama Most Conservative Democratic President Since WWII?
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Yep, I'm a racist. That explains it!
 
windowdressing said:
I'm afraid you may be suffering from the "If he's black, he must be liberal" syndrome (it's an old ailment and contagious among cons) ... I don't have time for this, so I did a quick search and found this (but we can of course agree to disagree - I've always seen him as an old moderate Republican) ...

By Napp Nazworth, Christian Post Reporter

January 23, 2013|12:49 pm

Many pundits, both liberal and conservative, have claimed that President Barack Obama's inauguration speech indicated a more liberal direction for the president's second term. If true, this would be a significant shift because, by at least one measure, Obama is the most conservative Democratic president in the post-World War II period.

Two University of Georgia political science professors, Keith Poole and Christopher Hare, have examined the positions on congressional legislation of every president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt and scored the positions on a liberal to conservative scale. Based upon this data, Obama is closest to the center of all six of the Democratic presidents who followed Roosevelt.

Obama is slightly more centrist than Lyndon B. Johnson and Harry Truman, and much more centrist than Jimmy Carter, John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton. Placed in order from most liberal to least liberal, those six presidents would be ranked like this: Carter, Kennedy, Clinton, Truman, Johnson, Obama.

Read more at Obama Most Conservative Democratic President Since WWII?
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And I'm dying to learn what makes Bubba "more liberal" than O!
 
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