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Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

solletica said:
It may have been intended to work that way, but that's not how it currently works. They way it currently works, political sponsors, not Congress, read all major bills



True, but Congress largely works for insurance cos., not Americans, so they did what they always do--vote in their sponsors' favor.
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Wow, you are ignorant. Congress works for the American People. That is what they are there for. We elected them, not insurance companies. Wake up!
 
Boo Radley said:
It would be if it wasn't the truth. Misinformation is very, very hard to get around. Nothing is harder than to educate someone on something he THINKS he knows.
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That's right. Conservative blogs and Foxnews carry more influence than the President of the United States! :roll:
 
Boo Radley said:
I find that hard to believe. I think you just buy the rhetoric too much.
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The nearly three thousand pages were published less than 72 hours before final passage. Much of the language had never been vetted in committee mark-up sessions. For over three years unpleasant, previously overlooked provisions have popped up on nearly a weekly basis. You are the one who is blindly buying rhetoric and spin.
 
Boo Radley said:
Like I said, some are easily swayed by the rhetoric, the spin, and the silliness. Do you believe she is representative and do you always believe her?
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Do we think Nancy Pelosi is representative???????????????????
 
Boo Radley said:
Tell yourself what you must, but Romney would have changed little. All that would have changed would be republican hyperbole. :lamo:lamo:lamo
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Romney had unequivocally committed himself to repeal.
 
Grant said:
"Congress on the whole" is not specific. In order to be specicific you have to be specific. In other words you need to name names,This you cannot do. You may be 'convinced" yet you offer no evidence, only your beliefs.



No, another belief of yours that is in error.


Then he should have voted No before he voted Yes.
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Maybe a handful of legislative draftsmen "knew what was in the bill" but, given what a last-minute thrown-together mess the scheme is, I doubt even that.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, it's pretty clear for all to see.

You're trying to argue with stereotypes again? It's really sad when epode do that. :lamo
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It's pretty clear for you to see, because you want to so badly.
 
Boo Radley said:
No. I claim he wouldn't have stopped the current reform. No one has implemented a federal healthcare system. Try to focus on reality and not the hyperbolic misinformation.
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Romney was absolutely, unequivocally committed to Obamacare repeal. You see exactly what you want to see, and nothing more.
 
TheNextEra said:
I don't think Romney would have been able to do anything about it if he were president. Obama-care was already voted on BEFORE he ran as a presidential nominee. Him being president on that alone would not have been able to change anything.

Now if you want to go on the hypothesis of Romney being president and the GOP having control of the House and Senate that is another story. But Romney being president alone would not have changed ANYTHING in regards to Obamacare with everything else being like it is now.
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Had Romney been elected President there would very likely have been a GOP Senate. Furthermore, under a hostile Administration, how difficult do you think it would have been to sabotage O-care implementation?
 
solletica said:
Nope, Boo is 100% correct. romney would've done nothing different. At best, romney would've only ordered tweaks to obamacare to make it more favorable to the insurance oligopoly.
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Romney's promise to repeal the scheme was absolute and unambiguous.
 
solletica said:
It may have been intended to work that way, but that's not how it currently works. They way it currently works, political sponsors, not Congress, read all major bills



True, but Congress largely works for insurance cos., not Americans, so they did what they always do--vote in their sponsors' favor.
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Why the hell do you think that Mrs. Pelosi had such a hard time finding 218 votes? The scheme was unpopular and the members of the Democratic super-majority knew it better than anybody. They were cutting deals and packing junk into the bill until the last moment. Nobody knew the whole picture.
 
solletica said:
Nope, Boo is 100% correct. romney would've done nothing different. At
best, romney would've only ordered tweaks to obamacare to make it more favorable to the insurance oligopoly.
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Boo is NEVER correct and your assertion that he would have just made tweaks to make the health care law more profitable is based on what ?

That stupid Bane Narrative ? Jesus.

Do you like being manipulated by a corrupt administration and ideology ?

Romney wouldn't have kept ObamaCare because he wanted to Repair a seriously sick economy.
 
wbcoleman said:
Romney's promise to repeal the scheme was absolute and unambiguous.
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Oh do tell :lol: . Cite evidence in the large space below about romney's "absolute and unambiguous" promise to repeal obamacare.









(of course, what we'll likely get is a political promise from romney to repeal obamacare, which may right wingers naively assume is genuine, even though romney's actual political record suggests the opposite, but we'll wait and see ! )
 
Boo Radley said:
And republicans hated Obama's plan so much, they choose Romney as the candidate, the single candidate whose system was most like Obama's. :lamo
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With the Obama cheering media to engaging in political assassination of character against conserviative Republicans and the mess we have in choosing a canidate for a Party in the Presidential Primaries one cannot really expect better.
 
wbcoleman said:
The greatest orator since Cicero!!! :lamo
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WTF? I certainly never made that claim, and it fails to back your claim that the "public hates the scheme because they understand it all too well". You assumed the public knows it well, but nearly half don't know it is the law.....so this trying to play both sides simultaneously saying they all know it because he owns the "bully pulpit"....and then blaming the lack of knowledge on his oration...shows your absolute lack of conviction on either point.

Your attempt to turn the argument backfired completely.
 
solletica said:
Oh do tell :lol: . Cite evidence in the large space below about romney's "absolute and unambiguous" promise to repeal obamacare.

(of course, what we'll likely get is a political promise from romney to repeal obamacare, which may right wingers naively assume is genuine, even though romney's actual political record suggests the opposite, but we'll wait and see ! )
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I'm not saying a word about Romney's previous political record. I'm not trying to defend his credibility in general. I am saying that, precisely due to his weak credibility, Romney had no choice but to issue unambiguous and unconditional promises to repeal Obamacare, promises so strong that to renege would mean the instantaneous implosion of his administration.
 
Shadow Serious said:
With the Obama cheering media to engaging in political assassination of character against conserviative Republicans and the mess we have in choosing a canidate for a Party in the Presidential Primaries one cannot really expect better.
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Right. There was no credible alternative to Romney.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
WTF? I certainly never made that claim, and it fails to back your claim that the "public hates the scheme because they understand it all too well". You assumed the public knows it well, but nearly half don't know it is the law.....so this trying to play both sides simultaneously saying they all know it because he owns the "bully pulpit"....and then blaming the lack of knowledge on his oration...shows your absolute lack of conviction on either point.

Your attempt to turn the argument backfired completely.
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Right, no one on the left ever claimed that O could move the masses with his eloquence.

Come to think of it, it's been so long since he's made even a minimally adequate speech on any subject, we all HAVE forgotten, haven't we?
 
wbcoleman said:
Right, no one on the left ever claimed that O could move the masses with his eloquence.

Come to think of it, it's been so long since he's made even a minimally adequate speech on any subject, we all HAVE forgotten, haven't we?
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Ah, OK, you are back to sarcastically talking out of both sides of your mouth, he is Plato, he is insignificant....boing boing boing.

Let me know when you have a substantive point.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Ah, OK, you are back to sarcastically talking out of both sides of your mouth, he is Plato, he is insignificant....boing boing boing.

Let me know when you have a substantive point.
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Look, I have lived or worked in O's Illinois state senate district for thirty years. I personally know people who worked him at the University of Chicago Law School, in the Illinois Senate, and who lived next door to him in East View Park. There is no question of his pure genius in promoting his own political career. Even I was moved by his rhetoric in 2004-2008. But if anything in the world is now clear, it's that there is no there there.

In 2009-2010 Obama attempted to promote the healthcare scheme and failed. He lied his ass off but still couldn't sell it. He hasn't been able to sell it since. This is really beyond dispute.
 
wbcoleman said:
Look, I have lived or worked in O's Illinois state senate district for thirty years. I personally know people who worked him at the University of Chicago Law School, in the Illinois Senate, and who lived next door to him in East View Park. There is no question of his pure genius in promoting his own political career. Even I was moved by his rhetoric in 2004-2008. But if anything in the world is now clear, it's that there is no there there.

In 2009-2010 Obama attempted to promote the healthcare scheme and failed. He lied his ass off but still couldn't sell it. He hasn't been able to sell it since. This is really beyond dispute.
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You are starting to sound like a member of the 42% previously cited....it did not fail, he got it passed. It is being implemented as we speak. No doubt the PR war against it that we are witnessing is amazing, but it is a done deal.

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I believe this article will highlight that Obama Care will become even more unpopular:

Coverage may be unaffordable for low-wage workers under ObamaCare | Fox News


The main point is that with the law companies can (1) offer a healthcare plan that is 9.5% or less of an employes income (example $21,000 would be $1,995) and would be still too expensive due to cost of living also the deductible can be $3000.00 before the insurance would cover costs. (2) Being offered a health care plan by their employer the are not eligible to apply for individual coverage in systems allowed by the government. (3) Is not eligible for Medicade coverage due to having an income that is higher $15,900.
 
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