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Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

So you say, but your liberal friends (not one republican vote) came up with Obamacare, and that is not saving anyone a dime, in fact it is a disaster and is going to cost a trillion over ten yrs not save us a dime.

So I say again, liberals think there is an endless supply of money, and only want to enact more entitlements, nannies and freebies for their own selfish wants. Be damned if their great grand kids have to pay for it. But they won't pay for it, they will be so engrained in entitlements themselves.

Record numbers on food stamps of over 47 million people. And this is after 4.5 yrs of Obama's policies.

As noted earlier, yes, there have been real and promising cost saving efforts. So, you're a bit inaccurate in your hyperbole. It isn't perfect. Not even close, but it isn't what some of you pretend it is.

Also, votes aside, the ideas are largely republican. This is merely a fact. Nothing more. Once republicans and tea party idiots poisoned the well, destroying honest discourse, democrats mistakenly thought adopting republican ideas would smooth that silliness over. They were wrong. The over the top hatred of Obama continued to feed irrational nonsense. It's time to stop with the misinformation and actually go to wrk, republican and democrat alike.
 
New Rates come out this fall. I'm thinking you may have mis-predicted that direction of movement.

Do you mean insurance rates? We've already been notified here of what is coming, and it will be for us the lowest increase in a decade. There are fee issues, but even if we count those as premiums, it won't match the hike we got two years before Obama was elected. Maybe you just read too much hyperbolic silliness? ;)
 
Gerrymandering my ass. You've got urban centers that vote 99% Dem, because liberalism has turned those urban areas into cesspools of parasites.

I brought supported statistical facts and you brought your abject hatred of Americans. I like my odds in this discussion.
 
It's also difficult to counter Chicken Little approaches. What specifically do you object to?

Maggie, the whole thing is put together with masking tape and Elmer's, and the cost for most everyone is going to go up.

They're campaigning for donations for crying out loud. It was rushed, poorly conceived, and completely poltically motivated.
 
I brought supported statistical facts and you brought your abject hatred of Americans. I like my odds in this discussion.

No, he pointed out that demographics of your party vote in lock-step, which skews the overall numbers. Lemmings don't ask questions, they just do as their told.
 
I brought supported statistical facts and you brought your abject hatred of Americans. I like my odds in this discussion.

No, you brought up BS and flawed logic. Its not Gerrymandering that elected a Republican majority. For starters, the GOP controls 30 state houses and legislatures, does it not ?

Its real simple. You have urban districts that vote 95% liberal, and suburban and rural districts that vote 60% Conservative. Now if you can get the parasites to make something of themselves, and move out into the county, then you can legitimately try to tip that balance. Except for one problem ... when folks start to become self-sufficient, they tend to not be so liberal anymore.

Look at any red-blue map of votes by precinct. Heck, lets take my state, Florida. Obama wins 12 counties. Romney over 50. Obama wins the state because he carried the major urban centers. The parasite hubs.

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It's also difficult to counter Chicken Little approaches. What specifically do you object to?

I guess if your one that believes there is an endless supply of money, Obamacare is all OK. However for those of us who see a 17 trillion dollar debt and growing by a trillion dollars a year a real problem.

How about costing the tax payer a trillion dollars over the next ten years. If that is not bad enough many states are now predicting their citizens insurance premiums are going to up as much as 146%. But hey, it's all good to give all the entitlements, nannies and all the freebies you want as long as the money doesn't run out. There are many that believe there is no bottom to the money pit. But when you read below people have real concerns and worry about cost.

Poll: 61 Percent of Americans Predict Obamacare Will Increase Costs - Guy Benson

Ohio Dept. Of Insurance: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Health Premiums By 88 Percent - Forbes

Obamacare: Krugman

Insurance Premiums a Mixed Bag under Obamacare
 
I guess if your one that believes there is an endless supply of money, Obamacare is all OK. However for those of us who see a 17 trillion dollar debt and growing by a trillion dollars a year a real problem.

How about costing the tax payer a trillion dollars over the next ten years. If that is not bad enough many states are now predicting their citizens insurance premiums are going to up as much as 146%. But hey, it's all good to give all the entitlements, nannies and all the freebies you want as long as the money doesn't run out. There are many that believe there is no bottom to the money pit. But when you read below people have real concerns and worry about cost.

Poll: 61 Percent of Americans Predict Obamacare Will Increase Costs - Guy Benson

Ohio Dept. Of Insurance: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Health Premiums By 88 Percent - Forbes

Obamacare: Krugman

Insurance Premiums a Mixed Bag under Obamacare

I Googled 146% rate increase and was taken to an article about California's exchange premiums. I quickly admit my error, as that kind of increase is astronomical. The fact that it's hard numbers can't be disputed. We're in for a rough ride. I now agree.

I still believe we need universal healthcare, however. Hopefully, they can tweak Obamacare and bring these costs down. It's not easy to do because there are no exclusions allowed for pre-existing conditions. Still, every American deserves to be able to purchase healthcare insurance. Perhaps it will become more affordable....?? It has stifled our economy quite long enough.
 
I Googled 146% rate increase and was taken to an article about California's exchange premiums. I quickly admit my error, as that kind of increase is astronomical. The fact that it's hard numbers can't be disputed. We're in for a rough ride. I now agree.

I still believe we need universal healthcare, however. Hopefully, they can tweak Obamacare and bring these costs down. It's not easy to do because there are no exclusions allowed for pre-existing conditions. Still, every American deserves to be able to purchase healthcare insurance. Perhaps it will become more affordable....?? It has stifled our economy quite long enough.

If you forget what you Googled, just message the NSA and one of their analysts will assist you.
 
I Googled 146% rate increase and was taken to an article about California's exchange premiums. I quickly admit my error, as that kind of increase is astronomical. The fact that it's hard numbers can't be disputed. We're in for a rough ride. I now agree.

I still believe we need universal healthcare, however. Hopefully, they can tweak Obamacare and bring these costs down. It's not easy to do because there are no exclusions allowed for pre-existing conditions. Still, every American deserves to be able to purchase healthcare insurance. Perhaps it will become more affordable....?? It has stifled our economy quite long enough.

Maggie, with all good intentions, there is a price to pay. I am not against taking care of our own, far from it, but it has to be in a way we can afford. With 17 trillion in debt and growing by a trillion a year that is a horrendous problem. A family may think they deserve a rib-I steak ever Monday and Lobster on Tuesday and so on, but that is not reality for some and the same applies to the tax payer. Some say healthcare is a "right" you say they "deserve" and I say we'll do the very best we can with what we got. Right now we don't have much, in fact it's just the opposite we have a huge debt and have no way to even balance the budget let alone reduce it. All anyone talks about is maybe we can reduce the deficit, huh. Reduce the deficit from 1.2 trillion a yr to 1.1 trillion yr. we are really gaining on it. Yet we keep adding more entitlements and just like you said, because there are no exclusion allowed for pre-existing conditions it's not easy to reduce rising cost."

The result of all this is, rising debt, rising cost to every family and lower take home pay after taxes. The middle class is getting hammered.

Ever sense Obama took office his priority should have been how to create jobs, lots of jobs. Jobs equals prosperity for all, but no he was interested in Obamacare, regulation, killing pipelines, war on oil, now immigration. It's never been about jobs, so we sit with a huge debt and growing, high unemployment, higher cost of healthcare and less take home pay after higher taxes. All is good...............
 
Actually, the concept of reforming healthcare is central to the issue of the national debt, budget deficits, and employment.

Obama just started with the hard, long term stuff first.
 
Actually, the concept of reforming healthcare is central to the issue of the national debt, budget deficits, and employment.

Obama just started with the hard, long term stuff first.

Why start with a scheme guaranteed to bust the budget and discourage employment? You know, much of the public seems to have figured this out.
 
No, he pointed out that demographics of your party vote in lock-step, which skews the overall numbers. Lemmings don't ask questions, they just do as their told.

No, he made a stupid broad sweeping troll statement based out of his arse where he then calls people "parasites" merely because they don't vote like him. Basically playing the hand that when Americans don't agree with him then he hates those Americans.
 
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Why start with a scheme guaranteed to bust the budget and discourage employment? You know, much of the public seems to have figured this out.

That would be a bad idea. That's why he did the opposite.

The ACA should help control Medicare costs in the long run, as well as increase employment by giving people the opportunity to be mobile in the job market because they can get insurance that's not employer based. It's a lot easier to quit your job and start a business if you don't need to be employed for health care.
 
I Googled 146% rate increase and was taken to an article about California's exchange premiums. I quickly admit my error, as that kind of increase is astronomical. The fact that it's hard numbers can't be disputed. We're in for a rough ride. I now agree.

I still believe we need universal healthcare, however. Hopefully, they can tweak Obamacare and bring these costs down. It's not easy to do because there are no exclusions allowed for pre-existing conditions. Still, every American deserves to be able to purchase healthcare insurance. Perhaps it will become more affordable....?? It has stifled our economy quite long enough.

I'm not finding anything credible on this. Ours is going up 2%. Seems there must be something fundamentally wrong in Califorina if this is remotely true. Something I doubt.
 
I Googled 146% rate increase and was taken to an article about California's exchange premiums. I quickly admit my error, as that kind of increase is astronomical. The fact that it's hard numbers can't be disputed. We're in for a rough ride. I now agree.

I still believe we need universal healthcare, however. Hopefully, they can tweak Obamacare and bring these costs down. It's not easy to do because there are no exclusions allowed for pre-existing conditions. Still, every American deserves to be able to purchase healthcare insurance. Perhaps it will become more affordable....?? It has stifled our economy quite long enough.


Late last week, a post by Avik Roy on possible increases to health insurance premiums in California went viral. So viral, in fact, that it was apparently Forbes’ fastest ever to reach a million page views:

This is @forbes‘ fastest post to hit 1M pageviews. Cheers, @avik!forbes.com/sites/theapoth…
— Kate Pierce (@Kate_Pierce) June 1, 2013

It’s pretty easy to see why. The headline asserts that the Affordable Care Act could drive individual insurance premiums in California up by as much as 146%, and contrasts with a report from California that showed that premiums would rise by less than what was expected.

While people don’t understand the law particularly well, they do understand what they pay for health insurance.
One problem: That number, the number that Drudge Report, The Daily Caller, and others picked up is misleading.

The Viral Post Predicting Massive Obamacare Rate Shock Doesn’t Tell The Whole Story | Business Insider Australia

Thought you might be interested.
 
Late last week, a post by Avik Roy on possible increases to health insurance premiums in California went viral. So viral, in fact, that it was apparently Forbes’ fastest ever to reach a million page views:

This is @forbes‘ fastest post to hit 1M pageviews. Cheers, @avik!forbes.com/sites/theapoth…
— Kate Pierce (@Kate_Pierce) June 1, 2013

It’s pretty easy to see why. The headline asserts that the Affordable Care Act could drive individual insurance premiums in California up by as much as 146%, and contrasts with a report from California that showed that premiums would rise by less than what was expected.

While people don’t understand the law particularly well, they do understand what they pay for health insurance.
One problem: That number, the number that Drudge Report, The Daily Caller, and others picked up is misleading.

The Viral Post Predicting Massive Obamacare Rate Shock Doesn’t Tell The Whole Story | Business Insider Australia

Thought you might be interested.

Great job, Boo. Just shows that the administration as well as states haven't been that effective in getting the correct information out there. I'm sure that's part of the problem.
 
Great job, Boo. Just shows that the administration as well as states haven't been that effective in getting the correct information out there. I'm sure that's part of the problem.

I am as well. Far too much misinformation floating around.
 
That would be a bad idea. That's why he did the opposite.

The ACA should help control Medicare costs in the long run, as well as increase employment by giving people the opportunity to be mobile in the job market because they can get insurance that's not employer based. It's a lot easier to quit your job and start a business if you don't need to be employed for health care.

Obamacare is loaded with disincentives to employment. We know this because companies have already announced plans to cut back.
 
Great job, Boo. Just shows that the administration as well as states haven't been that effective in getting the correct information out there. I'm sure that's part of the problem.

O holds the bully pulpit. He's had three plus years to make the case, but fish ain't biting.
 
Sounds like the no-accepted insurance market it picking up...

Cash-only doctors abandon the insurance system - Jun. 11, 2013

Under the traditional health insurance system, a large staff was required just to navigate all the paperwork, he said. That resulted in high overhead, forcing doctors like Nunamaker to take on more patients to cover costs. Plus, the amount insurance companies were willing to pay for procedures was declining, leading to a vicious cycle.
"The paperwork, the hassles, it just got to be overwhelming," Nunamaker said. "We knew that we had to find a better way to practice."

So Nunamaker and his partner set up a membership-based practice called Atlas M.D. -- a nod to free-market champion Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged. Under the membership plan -- also known as "concierge" medicine -- each patient pays a flat monthly fee to have unlimited access to the doctors and any service they can provide in the office, such as EKGs or stitches.

The fee varies depending on age. For kids, it's $10 a month. For adults up to age 44, it's $50 a month. Senior citizens pay $100.
 
Obamacare is loaded with disincentives to employment. We know this because companies have already announced plans to cut back.

While I'm sure you are sure of this, it would be helpful to see actual facts, rather than your possibly uninformed thoughts.
 
That would be a bad idea. That's why he did the opposite.

The ACA should help control Medicare costs in the long run, as well as increase employment by giving people the opportunity to be mobile in the job market because they can get insurance that's not employer based. It's a lot easier to quit your job and start a business if you don't need to be employed for health care.

Medical costs will not come down because the bureaucracy will increase substantially. The IRS has already hired 2,000 more agents to investigate claims and many thousands, or millions, will be hired as well to police the American public. All you need do is look to other systems, like the NHS in Britain, to see the future. It's not that difficult to predict.
 
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