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Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

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The link is screed. I just don't care for labels. They don't apply to a truly thinking person. Most honest people are issue orientated...except radicals on the right and left. I have no loyalties to a party or ideology. I suspect you do. Good luck with that.
 
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What lean someone is, what they self describe as, and what you think of it is entirely irrelevant to the topic of this thread. As such I suggest people focus on the topic, not each other
 
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Congratulations, you base your hatred of progressives on a strawman.

No, on their own history.....;)
 
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NSA thanks for pointing out the typo

He's probably using the NSA to get the NRA. ;)
 
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No, on their own history.....;)

Do you consider anything less than exploitation as "radical egalitarianism"?
 
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If you are a progressive, and think that is something to be proud of, then why didn't you choose that as your lean? As for progressivism, Tom Baron has a pretty good opinion piece that I agree with on the subject, here....

"The core of progressivism is radical egalitarianism, a utopian, immature, idealistic, and impractical version of equality popularized today as "fairness." It is the Liberal/Progressive's most highly regarded ideal above all others. Quite possibly, among many of this group, it is their only ideal and it is often pursued with a religious-like zeal.
It's the product of a primitive part of the human psyche -- the collectivist way in which groups organized themselves when humans existed primarily in small bands or tribes. Psychology studies have documented the immature sense of equality or fairness that is operational in 4 year olds, where rewards of treats are given for completing certain tasks. When subjects were given the authority to change the amounts of the rewards obtained, the preschoolers invariably redistributed them in equal amounts regardless of the number of tasks completed by the individual subjects who earned the rewards.
This immature sense of equality or fairness also has a visceral appeal to many adults as well, especially those dictated primarily by emotion and "feelings" rather than by reason. For example, we've all seen interviews with ultraliberal celebrities who emphatically say in justification of their radical egalitarian opinions; "All people are created equal! It says so in our Declaration of Independence!" (Which they disingenuously quote only when convenient for their point of view.) However, people are obviously not equal. If they bothered to carefully read our founding documents and the writings of the men who created them, people are created equal in one respect only -- they are endowed equally with inalienable rights and must be treated equally under the rule of law in the protection of these rights.
Our founders were learned men who understood that as societies grew and evolved, humans found that a collectivist, egalitarian organization wasn't a feasible way to sustain larger, diverse populations. Because people are different in almost every way, those of differing talents, intellect, physical strength, desires, levels of motivation, and biology (male/female,) gravitated to certain tasks. The division of labor, a critical evolutionary leap forward, spontaneously developed, enabling larger, more complex, and more efficient and prosperous societies to develop.
Furthermore, differences in remuneration in these advanced orders of civilization will be as infinitely variable as the differences in people and the tasks that they perform. Some will be more capable or better suited to do certain things than others. Some will be more industrious than others. Some will be more successful than others. As a result, some will have "more" than others. Some will even have quite a bit more than others. This is neither good nor bad. This is truly the "fairest" distribution method possible in large, complex, specialized societies. Society, or the collective, or more specifically the "market," decides which tasks are highly valued or in greater demand and rewards them commensurately. What could be more democratic than that in serving the best interest of society? People who perform these high-value tasks with the greatest level of proficiency will be rewarded the most of all. This "system" encourages people to do their best. To aspire to greater levels of achievement because they are incentivized to do so by the "collective," or the society, which progresses because of it."


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The American Thinker............................Where bad ideas go to die................................

Attack the source.....Fail.
 
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The American Thinker............................Where bad ideas go to die................................

Too bad, that's what everyone that isn't Progressive thinks about your ideology. So you're stuck with it until you change your ideology.
 
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Attack the source.....Fail.

Just perusing their list of articles nothing surprised me, just the usual Rightie spew about politics, etc., then , boom, a piece about the "fallacious" claim by gay people that they were born that "way"..................I smelled the reeking stench of the JudeoChristian religious agenda......................
 
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ALL three branches of our government are involved

Lawmakers rebut Obama's data defense - POLITICO

Dem. Senator disputes Obama's claims that Congress was briefed - The Hill

Lawmakers who knew about PRISM were bound to silence - Philly.com

US government invokes special privilege to stop scrutiny of data mining | guardian.co.uk

Justice Department Fights Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding Unconstitutional Surveillance | Mother Jones

I'm not willing to give into the paranoia

obama is, he's matured

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...is_debate_i_think_its_a_sign_of_maturity.html

a "contractor" was making $200,000 on the American tax payer. That's the real issue

LOL!

obama: "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people," "abuse of power"

Barack Obama Statement on FISA | Firedoglake

us intelligence official (quoted by isikoff): "unreasonable under the 4th amendment"

odni: "circumvented the spirit of the law"

fisa court: "reached the same conclusion"

Officials: NSA mistakenly intercepted emails, phone calls of innocent Americans - NBC
 
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Jesus dude....I was paying you a complement, and your response is pure vitriol? Get bent!

That was a load of hypocritical BS
 
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that's the sort of creepy moralism on the right

LOL!

NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily | The Guardian

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us-secretly-collecting-logs-of-business-calls.html?hp&_r=2&

Dept. of Homeland Security: Laptops, Phones Can Be Searched Based on Hunches « CBS

Welcome to the White House: They're Spying on Us - NationalJournal.com

Phone Sex, Banks & Google for Emails: The NSA Spying Is Bigger Than Verizon - The Atlantic Wire

5 things you need to know about NSA phone tracking - POLITICO

Key House Democrats want hearings on NSA - POLITICO

Sen. Mark Kirk pokes at Eric Holder: Did NSA spy on Congress | Chicago Sun-Times

Why the gov't source leaked PRISM - POLITICO

Glenn Greenwald: U.S. wants to destroy privacy worldwide - POLITICO

Republican lawmakers: NSA surveillance news to us - POLITICO

Facebook's Zuckerberg: We hadn't even heard of PRISM before yesterday - POLITICO

Gallup: 32% say White House ethics poor - POLITICO

NSA Prism program taps in to user data of Apple, Google and others | The Guardian

Officials: NSA intercepted emails, phone calls of innocent Americans - NBC

How Prosecutors Fought to Keep Rosen's Warrant Secret : The New Yorker

AP: Mounting controversies are all about trust

USAToday: Obama's agenda scorched in firestorm

Krugman: Government Tilting Towards "Authoritarian Surveillance" State | RealClearPolitics

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/09/opinion/sunday/dowd-peeping-president-obama.html

NYT: Obama admin 'has lost all credibility'
 
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Oh, so the FISA court that ruled the surveillance as Unconstitutional is adjudicated by David Corn?

Please, at least try.
Oh, c'mon. David Corn is liberal. It's slightly humorous to observe the left becoming outraged at NSA abuses because liberals are affected by the abuse, and witness the reaction to the abuses of the IRS, don't you think? It's quite a different thing when you become the target.
 
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Here is the deal. As long as I am not breaking the law, who the hell I make phone calls to is none of the government's ****ing business. Period. Repeat after me - 4th Amdendment.

Yeah, and if you're doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. As for the 4th Amendment and this situation, you are absolutely wrong. The government CAN track WHO you call/dial if they need to WITHOUT a warrant. SCOTUS has already ruled on that.

In Smith v. Maryland , the Supreme Court held that there’s no reasonable expectation of privacy, and thus no Fourth Amendment protection, for the phone numbers people dial (as distinct from the content of the call), because the number dialed is information you voluntarily share with the phone company to complete the call and for billing purposes.
 
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It's important to realize that for all practical purposes of privacy, the NSA spying is no big deal because no one in his right mind would share top secret information with someone else over conventional email, telephone, VOIP, etc. or even encrypted w/standard TLS.

Top secret data exchanged, for example, within or between hedge funds (i. e. insider trading data) or within or between drug cartels are always encrypted past the ability of the NSA to read it. In the end, the NSA can't get it hands on top secret private data.
 

Lol...those poor libs have NO defense against " The Prof ".

Keep up the good work exposing the hyopcrites.
 
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if you're doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about

LOL!

not according to obama

a "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people"

an "abuse of power"

(link above)
 
I don't see the connection with what you posted. So Rubbish.


But luckily a majority of Americans support this program.

A " majority " of our electorate supported Obama.

So what.

It's apparent the majority " have slipped the surly bonds of " common sense and have defined our path.

A reality of a desperatly sick economy and a long list of scandals.
 
It's apparent the majority " have slipped the surly bonds of " common sense and have defined our path.

The majority of republicans, that is

Terrorism (4)

"After 9/11, President Bush authorized government wiretaps on some phone calls in the U.S. without getting court warrants, saying this was necessary in order to reduce the threat of terrorism. Do you approve or disapprove of the President doing this?" N=517 (Form C)


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------------------------Approve-------------Disapprove ---------- Unsure

ALL adults --------------- 51 ----------------- 47 ------------------- 2
Republicans ------------- 83 ----------------- 16 ------------------- 1
Democrats -------------- 33 ------------------ 63 ------------------ 4
Independents ----------- 42 ------------------ 57 ------------------ 1
 
A " majority " of our electorate supported Obama.

So what.

It's apparent the majority " have slipped the surly bonds of " common sense and have defined our path.

A reality of a desperatly sick economy and a long list of scandals.

Hmmmm. Yeah, well that's Democracy. I suppose "common sense" was voting for Monsieur Romney? Well, Americans had the chance to vote for the Republican vision...AND WE SAID NO! I look forward to a reformed Republican party....the one I use to support before the GOP became radicalized and out of touch.
 
The majority of republicans, that is

Terrorism (4)

considering the author of the bill that started all of this now claims the Patriot Act has been twisted above and beyond its original intent, I think its safe to make distinctions now.

Its disengenous to call this " Bush's Patriot Act ".
 
Hmmmm. Yeah, well that's Democracy. I
suppose "common sense" was voting for Monsieur Romney? Well, Americans had the chance to vote for the Republican vision...AND WE SAID NO! I look forward to a reformed Republican party....the one I use to support before the GOP became radicalized and out of touch.

"Democracy" is when you sic the IRS on your political opponents ?

Really ?

Sure Romney wasn't my first choice but had he been elected we wouldn't be solely depending on our FED to prop up the entird economy by now.

Because....he knew at least, what he was doing.
 
considering the author of the bill that started all of this now claims the Patriot Act has been twisted above and beyond its original intent, I think its safe to make distinctions now.

Its disengenous to call this " Bush's Patriot Act ".

Umm, since the poll question doesn't ask about the Patriot Act, and since the question dealt with bush*'s WARRANTLESS spying on americans, your post is the disingenuous one.
"After 9/11, President Bush authorized government wiretaps on some phone calls in the U.S. without getting court warrants, saying this was necessary in order to reduce the threat of terrorism. Do you approve or disapprove of the President doing this?"
 
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Yeah, and if you're doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. As for the 4th Amendment and this situation, you are absolutely wrong. The government CAN track WHO you call/dial if they need to WITHOUT a warrant. SCOTUS has already ruled on that.

In Smith v. Maryland , the Supreme Court held that there’s no reasonable expectation of privacy, and thus no Fourth Amendment protection, for the phone numbers people dial (as distinct from the content of the call), because the number dialed is information you voluntarily share with the phone company to complete the call and for billing purposes.

That is what the Nazis said.
 
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