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Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

No spin needed. This is entirely legal and authorized under the Republican led Patriot Act. Funny how "conservatives" (really just hacks) complain now about a program they supported overwhelmingly during the Bush administration. I support the NSA program. All three branches of government are involved in oversight and it's the right thing to do for our security. The real spin here is the false outrage of some on the right. Now we have the right wing going soft on security just so they can score points (probably not) against Obama? That's pathetic. The real losers (along with Republicans last November :lol:) are the American people who need these programs to keep them safe. But security be damned--conservative haters of the Obama rant on--they need to bitch about Obama no matter what. "He's a socialist!!!" and all that other pathology they have circling in their head. Carry on. Republican politics is like watching the WWE now. Pure entertainment. Nothing serious.

You really expect to be seen as anybody worth responding to when so early in your appearance here the bolded reveals your true leanings, yet still have the gall to label yourself an "Independent"?

Just another liberal progressive ashamed to state it out loud....:roll:
 
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So youre OK with Obama doing this?

Yes. And it's not just "Obama" doing this. ALL three branches of our government are involved in this program. I support it. I'm not willing to give into the paranoia. We have ZERO evidence that this program has inconvenienced 1 American. Not 1. We need a way to balance our security with our values. This program certainly within that balance.

This guy Snowden should be vigorously pursued by the FBI and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I suspect that is under way. The real crime here is the fact that a "contractor" was making $200,000 on the American tax payer. That's the real issue. The privatization of government power is a much bigger concern than data mining. We have too many contractors--a Republican lead project naturally--involved in government affairs. We need to get back to a government power being within the hands of sworn government employees not private companies.
 
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Damn Prof, this article is by David Corn, no less. Amazing.

Oh, so the FISA court that ruled the surveillance as Unconstitutional is adjudicated by David Corn?

Please, at least try.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Yes. And it's not just "Obama" doing this. ALL three branches of our government are involved in this program.

The way the right wants to blame Obama, as if the right were not equally complicit in these activities, proves that this is just another partisan attack on Obama
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Yes. And it's not just "Obama" doing this. ALL three branches of our government are involved in this program. I support it. I'm not willing to give into the paranoia. We have ZERO evidence that this program has inconvenienced 1 American. Not 1. We need a way to balance our security with our values. This program certainly within that balance.

This guy Snowden should be vigorously pursued by the FBI and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I suspect that is under way. The real crime here is the fact that a "contractor" was making $200,000 on the American tax payer. That's the real issue. The privatization of government power is a much bigger concern than data mining. We have too many contractors--a Republican lead project naturally--involved in government affairs. We need to get back to a government power being within the hands of sworn government employees not private companies.

I see you've bought into the ridiculous notion that the oath these people take means one goddamn thing to them...
 
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We need a way to balance our security with our values. This program certainly within that balance.

Jesus Dude. :doh
 
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I see you've bought into the ridiculous notion that the oath these people take means one goddamn thing to them...

Just think of all those leaders throughout history that cared for the people. Oh wait..

Well, I'm betting some words being said will change that. :lamo
 
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The way the right wants to blame Obama, as if the right were not equally complicit in these activities, proves that this is just another partisan attack on Obama

You're right, it's not Obama's fault that this program exists, but, we are just now finding out how much this program is involved in data collection on our own citizens. I am wondering if Obama made any changes since Bush, or if he instituted new parameters at all...If so, then he is responsible for that.
 
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You really expect to be seen as anybody worth responding to when so early in your appearance here the bolded reveals your true leanings, yet still have the gall to label yourself an "Independent"?

Just another liberal progressive ashamed to state it out loud....:roll:

Well that's the sort of creepy moralism on the right. "Your either with us or against us!" You are just plain wrong. Right wing politics is just so pathetic right now and it offers such an easy target.

Oh, I think the label of "progressive" is something to be proud of. Most Americans agree with me too.. So thanks!
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

You're right, it's not Obama's fault that this program exists, but, we are just now finding out how much this program is involved in data collection on our own citizens. I am wondering if Obama made any changes since Bush, or if he instituted new parameters at all...If so, then he is responsible for that.

You really expect to be seen as anybody worth responding to when the bolded reveals your true partisanship, yet still have the gall to whine about how partisan others are?
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Well that's the sort of creepy moralism on the right. "Your either with us or against us!" You are just plain wrong. Right wing politics is just so pathetic right now and it offers such an easy target.

Oh, I think the label of "progressive" is something to be proud of. Most Americans agree with me too.. So thanks!

Ignore those who whine about partisanship but post about how good it was when bush* did it, and how horrible it is now that Obama is doing it.
 
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Yes, Jesus agrees too.

Jesus was a chump. That however has nothing to with my comment. You don't just give up your rights for security. It's just foolish to believe in such a thing.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Yes. And it's not just "Obama" doing this. ALL three branches of our government are involved in this program. I support it. I'm not willing to give into the paranoia. We have ZERO evidence that this program has inconvenienced 1 American. Not 1. We need a way to balance our security with our values. This program certainly within that balance.

This guy Snowden should be vigorously pursued by the FBI and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I suspect that is under way. The real crime here is the fact that a "contractor" was making $200,000 on the American tax payer. That's the real issue. The privatization of government power is a much bigger concern than data mining. We have too many contractors--a Republican lead project naturally--involved in government affairs. We need to get back to a government power being within the hands of sworn government employees not private companies.

Here is the deal. As long as I am not breaking the law, who the hell I make phone calls to is none of the government's ****ing business. Period. Repeat after me - 4th Amdendment.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Yes. And it's not just "Obama" doing this. ALL three branches of our government are involved in this program. I support it. I'm not willing to give into the paranoia. We have ZERO evidence that this program has inconvenienced 1 American. Not 1. We need a way to balance our security with our values. This program certainly within that balance.

This guy Snowden should be vigorously pursued by the FBI and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I suspect that is under way. The real crime here is the fact that a "contractor" was making $200,000 on the American tax payer. That's the real issue. The privatization of government power is a much bigger concern than data mining. We have too many contractors--a Republican lead project naturally--involved in government affairs. We need to get back to a government power being within the hands of sworn government employees not private companies.

I'm wondering what part of "...and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" you do not comprehend?

Plus, I wonder what you think of the other words in that amendment? Do they mean nothing at all?
 
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I'm wondering what part of "...and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" you do not comprehend?

Plus, I wonder what you think of the other words in that amendment? Do they mean nothing at all?

I think Richard Nixon would love this. In fact, if he were alive today, he just might be a Democrat. LOL.
 
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I wish all the partisan polemicists would STFU already. It's their fault that the government has made this kind of power grab. After 9/11 all political observers saw this crap coming, but it was the partisan hacks who constantly defended their overlords who bogged the issue down sufficiently that the government could excuse it. Now look where we are.

The total morons who defend endless expansion of government security are to blame for this. These idiots swallowed the blue pill of "safety" because they were brainwashed into hating foreign terrorists so much that they were willing to shred their very Constitution.

It's the natural consequence of demagoguery and emotional hysteria. America ate it up like a baby being spoonfed. Now there is no stopping the flood.

America's #1 issue right now is that our polity is being consumed by talking heads who know nothing about what it takes to maintain it.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

You're right, it's not Obama's fault that this program exists, but, we are just now finding out how much this program is involved in data collection on our own citizens. I am wondering if Obama made any changes since Bush, or if he instituted new parameters at all...If so, then he is responsible for that.

the biggest critic of the Obama NRA program is Obama himself at least it was when he was a senator

 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

I wish all the partisan polemicists would STFU already. It's their fault that the government has made this kind of power grab. After 9/11 all political observers saw this crap coming, but it was the partisan hacks who constantly defended their overlords who bogged the issue down sufficiently that the government could excuse it. Now look where we are.

The total morons who defend endless expansion of government security are to blame for this. These idiots swallowed the blue pill of "safety" because they were brainwashed into hating foreign terrorists so much that they were willing to shred their very Constitution.

It's the natural consequence of demagoguery and emotional hysteria. America ate it up like a baby being spoonfed. Now there is no stopping the flood.

It's telling that the representatives who did oppose the Patriot Act starting around 2005 all voted for it originally........................
 
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the biggest critic of the Obama NRA program is Obama himself at least it was when he was a senator



NRA or NSA?
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

NRA or NSA?

NSA thanks for pointing out the typo
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Well that's the sort of creepy moralism on the right. "Your either with us or against us!" You are just plain wrong. Right wing politics is just so pathetic right now and it offers such an easy target.

Oh, I think the label of "progressive" is something to be proud of. Most Americans agree with me too.. So thanks!

If you are a progressive, and think that is something to be proud of, then why didn't you choose that as your lean? As for progressivism, Tom Baron has a pretty good opinion piece that I agree with on the subject, here....

"The core of progressivism is radical egalitarianism, a utopian, immature, idealistic, and impractical version of equality popularized today as "fairness." It is the Liberal/Progressive's most highly regarded ideal above all others. Quite possibly, among many of this group, it is their only ideal and it is often pursued with a religious-like zeal.
It's the product of a primitive part of the human psyche -- the collectivist way in which groups organized themselves when humans existed primarily in small bands or tribes. Psychology studies have documented the immature sense of equality or fairness that is operational in 4 year olds, where rewards of treats are given for completing certain tasks. When subjects were given the authority to change the amounts of the rewards obtained, the preschoolers invariably redistributed them in equal amounts regardless of the number of tasks completed by the individual subjects who earned the rewards.
This immature sense of equality or fairness also has a visceral appeal to many adults as well, especially those dictated primarily by emotion and "feelings" rather than by reason. For example, we've all seen interviews with ultraliberal celebrities who emphatically say in justification of their radical egalitarian opinions; "All people are created equal! It says so in our Declaration of Independence!" (Which they disingenuously quote only when convenient for their point of view.) However, people are obviously not equal. If they bothered to carefully read our founding documents and the writings of the men who created them, people are created equal in one respect only -- they are endowed equally with inalienable rights and must be treated equally under the rule of law in the protection of these rights.
Our founders were learned men who understood that as societies grew and evolved, humans found that a collectivist, egalitarian organization wasn't a feasible way to sustain larger, diverse populations. Because people are different in almost every way, those of differing talents, intellect, physical strength, desires, levels of motivation, and biology (male/female,) gravitated to certain tasks. The division of labor, a critical evolutionary leap forward, spontaneously developed, enabling larger, more complex, and more efficient and prosperous societies to develop.
Furthermore, differences in remuneration in these advanced orders of civilization will be as infinitely variable as the differences in people and the tasks that they perform. Some will be more capable or better suited to do certain things than others. Some will be more industrious than others. Some will be more successful than others. As a result, some will have "more" than others. Some will even have quite a bit more than others. This is neither good nor bad. This is truly the "fairest" distribution method possible in large, complex, specialized societies. Society, or the collective, or more specifically the "market," decides which tasks are highly valued or in greater demand and rewards them commensurately. What could be more democratic than that in serving the best interest of society? People who perform these high-value tasks with the greatest level of proficiency will be rewarded the most of all. This "system" encourages people to do their best. To aspire to greater levels of achievement because they are incentivized to do so by the "collective," or the society, which progresses because of it."


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Progressivism is a scourge not an attribute.....
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

You really expect to be seen as anybody worth responding to when the bolded reveals your true partisanship, yet still have the gall to whine about how partisan others are?

Jesus dude....I was paying you a complement, and your response is pure vitriol? Get bent!
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

the biggest critic of the Obama NRA program is Obama himself at least it was when he was a senator



I heard that the other day....I think there is much about what Obama said running for his first term that was a real awakening when he took the office, with that said, it is hypocrisy, IOW politics.
 
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If you are a progressive, and think that is something to be proud of, then why didn't you choose that as your lean? As for progressivism, Tom Baron has a pretty good opinion piece that I agree with on the subject, here....

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Progressivism is a scourge not an attribute.....

Congratulations, you base your hatred of progressives on a strawman.
 
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