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Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Some of President Barack Obama's political appointees, including the Cabinet secretary for the Health and Human Services Department, are using secret government email accounts they say are necessary to prevent their inboxes from being overwhelmed with unwanted messages, according to a review by The Associated Press.
The scope of using the secret accounts across government remains a mystery: Most U.S. agencies have failed to turn over lists of political appointees' email addresses, which the AP sought under the Freedom of Information Act more than three months ago. The Labor Department initially asked the AP to pay more than $1 million for its email addresses.
The AP asked for the addresses following last year's disclosures that the former administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency had used separate email accounts at work. The practice is separate from officials who use personal, non-government email accounts for work, which generally is discouraged - but often happens anyway - due to laws requiring that most federal records be preserved.

The secret email accounts complicate an agency's legal responsibilities to find and turn over emails in response to congressional or internal investigations, civil lawsuits or public records requests because employees assigned to compile such responses would necessarily need to know about the accounts to search them. Secret accounts also drive perceptions that government officials are trying to hide actions or decisions.

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Ten agencies have not yet turned over lists of email addresses, including the Environmental Protection Agency; the Pentagon; and the departments of Veterans Affairs, Transportation, Treasury, Justice, Housing and Urban Development, Homeland Security, Commerce and Agriculture. All have said they are working on a response to the AP.
White House spokesman Eric Schultz declined to comment.

My Way News - Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery


This is complete Bull! It is corrupt, it is illegal, and it is further evidence that this administration cares very little about the law, or the peoples right to oversee their governments actions.
 
This is complete Bull! It is corrupt, it is illegal, and it is further evidence that this administration cares very little about the law, or the peoples right to oversee their governments actions.

If an official refuses to turn over any and all email addresses in the face of an appropriately-channeled official inquiry, he should be jailed. As for making them public to the news media, **** them.
 
If an official refuses to turn over any and all email addresses in the face of an appropriately-channeled official inquiry, he should be jailed. As for making them public to the news media, **** them.

Maggie, I understand what you are saying here, but as the story lays out, it is brought to light by the stonewalling of these e-mails to appropriate congressional requests, as well as FOIA requests...This is important....To say that news media is not, or should not be privy to them under legal requests, highlights exactly how they can hide what they are doing from the people....This is why it is illegal to have these e-mails in the first place.
 
I don't know, that's a good questoin. Did you feel it was okay when Bush did it? Did you agere with the "controversy" and the congressional action regarding it?
Actually, what Bush did was worse because they used RNC email accounts. At least with Obama is using government email addresses.
 
I don't know, that's a good questoin. Did you feel it was okay when Bush did it? Did you agere with the "controversy" and the congressional action regarding it?

Who gives a **** what Bush did or didn't do? Wrong is wrong no matter who does it, playing the selective outrage game is silly and presumptuous.
 
Maggie, I understand what you are saying here, but as the story lays out, it is brought to light by the stonewalling of these e-mails to appropriate congressional requests, as well as FOIA requests...This is important....To say that news media is not, or should not be privy to them under legal requests, highlights exactly how they can hide what they are doing from the people....This is why it is illegal to have these e-mails in the first place.

If it's illegal, then those who have these clandestine email addresses ought to be prosecuted. Unless and until we're willing to do that? The corruption will continue. (I didn't know it was illegal...should have read more carefully.)
 
Actually, what Bush did was worse because they used RNC email accounts. At
least with Obama is using government email addresses.

You have " proof " right ? Other than WIKI ?
 
Who gives a **** what Bush did or didn't do? Wrong is wrong no matter who does it, playing the selective outrage game is silly and presumptuous.

That was kind of my point. If he's going to ask people "Did you care when Bush did it?!" then he should at least answer the question himself. Being "Selectively outraged" about "selective outrage" is kind of funny to me, which is what I was highlighting.
 
That was kind of my point. If he's going to ask people "Did you care when Bush did it?!" then he should at least answer the question himself. Being "Selectively outraged" about "selective outrage" is kind of funny to me, which is what I was highlighting.

Well its a logical fallacy (tu quoque) and its tiresome. When outraged I tire of explaining that yes I was outraged when the other party did it too, I'm not a hack, now can we get back to the genuine outrage?

Posing the question presumes the person asked is a partisan hack with no real principles.
 
That was kind of my point. If he's going to ask people "Did you care when Bush did it?!" then he should at least answer the question himself. Being "Selectively outraged" about "selective outrage" is kind of funny to me, which is what I was highlighting.
Obama is using government servers and email addresses so I am not sure what he's doing is illegal as j-mac said.
 
Wiki has footnotes you can check. ;)

I love it when people dislike Wiki's "liberal bias." They could log-in and change it themselves.

Of course then they wouldn't be victims anymore...
 
That was kind of my point. If he's going to ask people "Did you care when Bush did it?!" then he should at least answer the question himself. Being "Selectively outraged" about "selective outrage" is kind of funny to me, which is what I was highlighting.


The selective outrage is a good point. However, the fact that it was done in past administrations means it is simply a carry-over practice. The fact that it only goes back to the last administration is only because we don't recycle Presidents often enough these days. Prior to the Clinton administration, e-mail wasn't common (whether or not Al Gore invented it :mrgreen:). So the policy isn't likely to have changed until the Bush admin.

I don't have a problem with them having separate e-mails. My work e-mail is available to customers, but I don't give them my personal e-mail. Likewise they can call me on the phone, but I don't give them my cell phone number. Government people who work with classified information should have a secure e-mail that they can use to discuss it. Truthfully, how many e-mails do you think a cabinet secretary gets from the general public? It's probably a lot (depending on the Secretary. State probably gets more than HHS). They should have an address that's not available to the public so that they can get things done without responding to inquiries about the Presidential Time Travel Limo at Area 51.
 
This is complete Bull! It is corrupt, it is illegal, and it is further evidence that this administration cares very little about the law, or the peoples right to oversee their governments actions.

Wait. Wait. Wait. Aren't you the same people that says government has no reason to read your emails? Yet, when it is found that complete stories of scandals cannot be made public because officials dare communicate with each other using private emails, that means that it's suddenly OK for the government to ask for emails from private citizens. What exactly have the public officials done wrong, or is this just another witch hunt?

Look I understand the implications of this story, and the hypocrisy that is the Obama administration, but wasn't the Press yelling at Obama for looking at their private emails? So now I guess they want to read there's. Huh funny!
 
Obama is using government servers and email addresses so I am not sure what he's doing is illegal as j-mac said.
And it's morally and factually as transparent as everything else Obama has done, so what's to gripe about? I'm with ya. Hell, even Washington did it with anonymous carrier pigeons.
 
Obama is using government servers and email addresses so I am not sure what he's doing is illegal as j-mac said.

Well then, let me clear it up for you....The article outlined the agencies using private e-mails for government business, and I didn't tie it to Obama, in fact I said his administration...Second, you seem to think that this administration can do no wrong, even when it is clearly illegal. And lastly, your attempt to misrepresent the topic here should be considered a derailing of the thread topic, continue that and you will not be welcome in the thread.

Thank you.
 
I don't have a problem with government officials using secondary and tertiary email accounts but it is a problem if they aren't turning them over when ordered to do so for an investigation. I don't know about the rest of you bet my inbox can fill up pretty doggone quickly when dozens of people are sending 10MB PDF's and such. I HAVE to have multiple email addresses to handle certain things as well as Dropbox accounts and other file sharing software. I also have a few email accounts that NEVER get used for business. They are just there to collect viagra ads and notifications that I won the Nigerian lottery. Hell, if someone requested a copy of all my email accounts I'm not sure that I could comply. The point is that it's stupid to get bent out of shape about multiple accounts. If you're going to get pissed off then do so because they are intentionally withholding information.
 
I don't have a problem with government officials using secondary and tertiary email accounts but it is a problem if they aren't turning them over when ordered to do so for an investigation. I don't know about the rest of you bet my inbox can fill up pretty doggone quickly when dozens of people are sending 10MB PDF's and such. I HAVE to have multiple email addresses to handle certain things as well as Dropbox accounts and other file sharing software. I also have a few email accounts that NEVER get used for business. They are just there to collect viagra ads and notifications that I won the Nigerian lottery. Hell, if someone requested a copy of all my email accounts I'm not sure that I could comply. The point is that it's stupid to get bent out of shape about multiple accounts. If you're going to get pissed off then do so because they are intentionally withholding information.

That's the point....They are intentionally doing so, and the e-mails in question are illegal. So, just to be clear, are you saying that you are fine with government officials keeping illegal e-mail accounts?
 
That's the point....They are intentionally doing so, and the e-mails in question are illegal. So, just to be clear, are you saying that you are fine with government officials keeping illegal e-mail accounts?

I have no problem with government employees having multiple email accounts as long as those accounts and their content are disclosed when subpoenaed or in compliance with a valid FOIA request. Government employees should comply with the same laws I have to comply with.
 
Well then, let me clear it up for you....The article outlined the agencies using private e-mails for government business, and I didn't tie it to Obama, in fact I said his administration...Second, you seem to think that this administration can do no wrong, even when it is clearly illegal. And lastly, your attempt to misrepresent the topic here should be considered a derailing of the thread topic, continue that and you will not be welcome in the thread.

Thank you.
Can you show where the use of email alias are illegal in the government? Sure they complicate tracking a person's email, but I am not sure the use of them is illegal. The are doing governments business on government servers and that to me is what is important.

Bush Administration Appointees Also Used 'Secret E-mail Addresses' | ThinkProgress

The Associated Press reported Tuesday that some Obama administration officials utilize non-publicly listed e-mail addresses in addition to their publicly listed ones. But a ThinkProgress Freedom of Information Act request revealed that this common practice was also utilized by the George W. Bush administration and in no way shields those accounts from public records laws​
 
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