Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times [W:243]

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j-mac said:

Now is Shulman responsible? Yes, he was the head of the IRS at the time and is ultimately responsible. However you are missing the point I made....

I said clearly more than once now that, it is reported that the head of the NTEU, (the treasury employees union) and a rabid anti TP activist, met with Obama in the WH, the day before this targeting began in earnest.

Coincidence? I think not.

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Yeah, the head of the NTEU met with Obama, but there the Bubble that republican live in comes to surface once again.

1. they did not meet in the White House but at the OEOB
2. this was not a private meeting but a forum with loads of other guests
3. this was at a public event, the workplace flexibility forum at which Obama gave the closing speech



4. this was a highly publicized and reported on event, again, not a meeting between Obama and the NTEU leader
5. the targeting of tea party groups had originated at the beginning of March 2010
6. the Inspector General wrote in his report:

The IRS Inspector General said Tuesday that incompetence, not malice, was behind the tax agency’s heavy scrutiny of conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status in the lead-up to the 2012 elections.

A 48-page IG report explicitly stated that the IRS behavior was “not politically biased,” that it was due to lower-level staff who did not understand their jobs and sometimes acted insubordinately, and that it was not driven by the White House.


In other words, the NTEU leader did not "meet" Obama after which the targeting started, the Inspector General concluded after an investigation it was not malicious nor was the targeting politically biased or driving by the White House.

So yes, very much coincidence and a lot of over the top conspiracy theorizing rather than factual following of what actually happened.

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Fenton said:

BWAHAHAHAHA !

I guarantee, no I promise Obama was well informed on this and many other issued he's currently playing dumb on.

I bet a " dime to a dollar " that when Issa's Commitee calls for the specifics of those meetings schulman had at the WH, Obama will claim Executive Priveledge and you guys will support him.

Face it, you people put criminals in the WH. All the mitigation in the world isn't going to change that.

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the Inspector General report would disagree with you wholeheartedly.

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Peter King said:

the Inspector General report would
disagree with you wholeheartedly.

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You mean the AUDIT....

Because it was NOT a investigation, there is an attempt to do that currently.

Now the IG's AUDIT, not investigation prompted Lois Lerner to plant a question and then LIE. ( a couple of rogue ppl in Cinci..etc )

The IRS also released donor list ( illegal ) targeted people for audit simply for their political affiliation, lied about the scope of what actually happened.

No we heard the lefts mitigations and lies and lies by ommision.

You wouldn't accept a half ass AUDIT, who's findings were held back until after the election followed by lies and stonewalling under Bush.

It's called objectivity and integrity. A corrupt Liberal makes your whole party look corrupt. As a Conservative I would think you guys would want to flush those people out, not protect them.

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Peter King said:

Yeah, the head of the NTEU met with Obama, but there the Bubble that republican live in comes to surface once again.

1. they did not meet in the White House but at the OEOB
2. this was not a private meeting but a forum with loads of other guests
3. this was at a public event, the workplace flexibility forum at which Obama gave the closing speech

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4. this was a highly publicized and reported on event, again, not a meeting between Obama and the NTEU leader
5. the targeting of tea party groups had originated at the beginning of March 2010
6. the Inspector General wrote in his report:

The IRS Inspector General said Tuesday that incompetence, not malice, was behind the tax agency’s heavy scrutiny of conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status in the lead-up to the 2012 elections.

A 48-page IG report explicitly stated that the IRS behavior was “not politically biased,” that it was due to lower-level staff who did not understand their jobs and sometimes acted insubordinately, and that it was not driven by the White House.


In other words, the NTEU leader did not "meet" Obama after which the targeting started, the Inspector General concluded after an investigation it was not malicious nor was the targeting politically biased or driving by the White House.

So yes, very much coincidence and a lot of over the top conspiracy theorizing rather than factual following of what actually happened.

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I see, so you think that it had to be a full fledged sit down meeting for any message to be translated into action? As for the IG, even his office is suspect here...If you remember the report from him was supposed to come out in September 2012 I believe, but then for no reason given it is held back til May of 2013? Then there is the fact that the IG did NOT investigate anything, his parameters were narrow, hell, he didn't even raise flags during the audit when he couldn't get an answer himself as to who initiated this wrongdoing ....

You guys are grasping at straws to try and dismiss this serious issue.

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j-mac said:

I see, so you think that it had to be a full fledged sit down meeting for any message to be translated into action? As for the IG, even his office is suspect here...If you remember the report from him was supposed to come out in September 2012 I believe, but then for no reason given it is held back til May of 2013? Then there is the fact that the IG did NOT investigate anything, his parameters were narrow, hell, he didn't even raise flags during the audit when he couldn't get an answer himself as to who initiated this wrongdoing ....

You guys are grasping at straws to try and dismiss this serious issue.

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Aah yes, the if we imagine or make up things they magically happened.

So when the head of NTEU goes to a forum at a location where the president also makes a speech, it automatically means foul play because that evil Kenyan Socialist is out to get us and he must have whispered in the ears of the NTEU president to go make her IRS cronies make life difficult for Tea Party groups.

Yes, the inspector general withheld a report that completely clears Obama of wrongdoing for 8 months so that Foxnews and other right wing news media can malign and imagine their own findings and make bad press for the president, instead of making the report that all about clears Obama months ago.

And us guys grasping at straws? I am sorry but when facts come to the table usually the partisan answer is this:



the good old I can't hear you defense (don't worry, if the shoe is on the other foot a lot of democrats have the same defense strategy).

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Peter King said:

Aah yes, the if we imagine or make up things they magically happened.


So when the head of NTEU goes to a forum at a location where the president also makes a speech, it automatically means foul play because that evil Kenyan Socialist is out to get us and he must have whispered in the ears of the NTEU president to go make her IRS cronies make life difficult for Tea Party groups.

Yes, the inspector general withheld a report that completely clears Obama of wrongdoing for 8 months so that Foxnews and other right wing news media can malign and imagine their own findings and make bad press for the president, instead of making the report that all about clears Obama months ago.

And us guys grasping at straws? I am sorry but when facts come to the table usually the partisan answer is this:

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the good old I can't hear you defense (don't worry, if the shoe is on the other foot a lot of democrats have the same defense strategy).

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LOL !!

The inspector generals report didn't CLEAR ANYONE of wrong doings.

It was not within his scope to snuff out the people who started this policy.

But hey, you guys want this to go away, I get it. Hell if it were up to you a simple audit with narrow scope would be plenty to put this all to bed.

Democrats ..." can we please just talk about something else....please "

Nope, not gonna happen. We're all going to find out just how deep the rabbit hole goes as the House and Republican Comittees keep their eye on the ball and gather up people who I'm sure will pick their freedom over some higher ups safety.

Can't say we didn't warn you.

It's going to get interesting as more and more damaging information finds its way to the surface. As more information that implicates TOP WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS reveals itself under intense scrutiny and proves that Obama knew all allong.

There's going to be two reactions from Liberals.

One, they're going to go full on Garden Rat Crazy on us and publicly agree with the IRS being used as a political tool to violate peoples Constitutional Rights. They may even demand the Government go further, detain each and everypne of us.

Or, they will concede they were taken for a ride by the media, by a corrupt group of Chicago thugs.

Which one will you be ?

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Peter King said:

Aah yes, the if we imagine or make up things they magically happened.

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Oh, so the IRS didn't target conservative groups for undue scrutiny? Man, that is shocking...Then why'd they apologize for it?

So when the head of NTEU goes to a forum at a location where the president also makes a speech, it automatically means foul play because that evil Kenyan Socialist is out to get us and he must have whispered in the ears of the NTEU president to go make her IRS cronies make life difficult for Tea Party groups.

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Oh for God's sake...Can we please stop with the childish racist crap for a moment here..And no, for about the 25th time on here I don't think it was some cheezy tv scripted bs, but what it was, was over time, Obama's own words demonizing the TP, and other political foes on the campaign trail, then who knows...I think that a political hack like Lois Lerner, and this Connely woman from NTEU thought they could get away with it, I mean after all, Lerner did it before, in fact she has a long history of intimidation at the FEC, and IRS....

But Obama's answer to the people? Fire a guy who was resigning anyway in about two weeks, and give Lerner a paid summer vacation on our dime....I guess he's saying "Good Job Lois".....

Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Peter King said:

Aah yes, the if we imagine or make up things they magically happened.

So when the head of NTEU goes to a forum at a location where the president also makes a speech, it automatically means foul play because that evil Kenyan Socialist is out to get us and he must have whispered in the ears of the NTEU president to go make her IRS cronies make life difficult for Tea Party groups.

Yes, the inspector general withheld a report that completely clears Obama of wrongdoing for 8 months so that Foxnews and other right wing news media can malign and imagine their own findings and make bad press for the president, instead of making the report that all about clears Obama months ago.

And us guys grasping at straws? I am sorry but when facts come to the table usually the partisan answer is this:

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the good old I can't hear you defense (don't worry, if the shoe is on the other foot a lot of democrats have the same defense strategy).

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LOL, this might be one of the few times when the GOP criticizes people for doing their job. It's unreal.

IRS tax scandal in US: new evidence undermines political bias claims | World news | guardian.co.uk

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pbrauer said:

LOL, this might be one of the few times when the GOP criticizes people for doing their job. It's unreal.

IRS tax scandal in US: new evidence undermines political bias claims | World news | guardian.co.uk

Nearly three-quarters of the political groups subjected to extra tax inspection during a recent IRS scandal were not identifiably opponents of the White House, officials have revealed.

Republicans have called for a special prosecutor to investigate what they call "attacks on American democracy" after it emerged that rightwing groups were singled out for special treatment by the Inland Revenue Service.

But in testimony before Congress, two senior civil servants brought in to clean up after the affair gave evidence that suggests the reality may have been more complex than a simple case of political bias.

The IRS office in Cincinnati which decides whether to exempt such groups from income tax singled out 72 of them for scrutiny because they were openly affiliated with the Tea Party movement, together with 24 others whose names included associated labels such as "patriot".

To qualify for tax exempt status such groups have to show they are not directly backing a political candidate but they are allowed to campaign on general "civic issues".

However a further 226 other political groups were also placed in the same review whose affiliations were not immediately apparent from their name alone, which is often the case among liberal campaign groups. It remains unknown how many of these were in fact Democrat-leaning groups, partly because individual names cannot be publicly released under IRS confidentiality laws.​

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Well, goody....Then:

1. Why did the IRS apologize for doing it?

2. Why did Lois Lerner try to take the 5th?

3. Why did Obama pull a stunt of a fake firing of a man that was resigning in 2 weeks anyway?

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j-mac said:

Well, goody....Then:

1. Why did the IRS apologize for doing it?

2. Why did Lois Lerner try to take the 5th?

3. Why did Obama pull a stunt of a fake firing of a man that was resigning in 2 weeks anyway?

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I'm not inside their heads, so I don't know the answer to any of those questions. Why do innocent people confess to crimes they didn't commit? Whether any of us like it, it's the job of the IRS to prevent fraud. How exactly were Republicans / conservatives impacted y what happened?

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pbrauer said:

I'm not inside their heads, so I don't know the answer to any of those questions. Why do innocent people confess to crimes they didn't commit? Whether any of us like it, it's the job of the IRS to prevent fraud. How exactly were Republicans / conservatives impacted y what happened?

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If this came out when it was first known it might have had an effect on the election.

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azgreg said:

If this came out when it was first known it might have had an effect on the election.

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I doubt that very much, the IRS is hated by everyone.

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pbrauer said:

I doubt that very much, the IRS is hated by everyone.

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You're living in denial

Ofcourse the IRS being used by the corrupt Obama Administration like the Gestapo to target Obama's political enemies had an effect on the election. It's why Obama managed to get elected. A lot of the grass roots opposition against him was effectively sidelined by his fascist goons during the campaign. This allowed him to use resources that otherwise would have been spent countering such groups on campaign blitzes during the summer trashing Romney as some evil dog murdering tax cheat.

The Left have sold their souls to Obama. They shamelessly try to defend and rationalize fascism. It's disgusting.

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Bronson said:

You're living in denial

Ofcourse the IRS being used by the corrupt Obama Administration like the Gestapo to target Obama's political enemies had an effect on the election. It's why Obama managed to get elected. A lot of the grass roots opposition against him was effectively sidelined by his fascist goons during the campaign. This allowed him to use resources that otherwise would have been spent countering such groups on campaign blitzes during the summer trashing Romney as some evil dog murdering tax cheat.

The Left have sold their souls to Obama. They shamelessly try to defend and rationalize fascism. It's disgusting.

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:funny:

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pbrauer said:

I'm not inside their heads, so I don't know the answer to any of those questions.

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So, when you bring up all these insinuations that the IRS did nothing wrong, you refuse to consider those statements, and facts that show that they did anything wrong....

Why do innocent people confess to crimes they didn't commit?

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So, you do think that the IRS did nothing wrong in ideologically targeting political opponents. This is why we have been saying that progressives like you are dangerous to the country.

Whether any of us like it, it's the job of the IRS to prevent fraud.

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This is a fine example of why the tax code as it exists now needs to be tossed for a flat tax.

How exactly were Republicans / conservatives impacted by what happened?

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How? You're kidding right? Did you watch any of the testimony yesterday be these various groups? Intimidation, harassment, potential donors scared off for fear of their personal, and business information being made public to political opponents, etc...IOW, true disenfranchisement....

But, you've already stated it pretty clearly Pete, you don't see anything wrong with that as long as it is happening to people you hate. How sad.

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The question that far too many are failing to ask: Did the IRS 'target' other, non-conservative groups? The record seems to say YES

IRS Has History of Extra Scrutiny of Groups - WSJ.com
The Internal Revenue Service unit under fire for its reviews of conservative organizations has a long history of targeting groups with extra scrutiny, including foreclosure-assistance charities, credit-counseling services and New York Jewish charities, interviews with current and former employees show.

The scrutiny has included such tactics as listening to telephone calls between groups and their clients, according to one group's lawyer. In the case of tea-party organizations, IRS officials studied social-media postings to gauge political activity.

Sometimes the tactic of extra scrutiny for particular kinds of groups seeking tax exemptions helped manage a flood of entities in areas where abuse was common; other times it snagged innocent parties, subjected applicants to long delays and even made IRS employees feel uncomfortable.

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It does certainly look like some of those who are shouting the loudest today about IRS oppression, may need to begin hiring attorneys for defense against charges of violating the federal regs governing 501(C)(4) tax exemptions

Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics
When CVFC, a conservative veterans’ group in California, applied for tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service, its biggest expenditure that year was several thousand dollars in radio ads backing a Republican candidate for Congress.

The Wetumpka Tea Party, from Alabama, sponsored training for a get-out-the-vote initiative dedicated to the “defeat of President Barack Obama” while the I.R.S. was weighing its application.

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Representatives of these organizations have cried foul in recent weeks about their treatment by the I.R.S., saying they were among dozens of conservative groups unfairly targeted by the agency

But a close examination of these groups and others reveals an array of election activities that tax experts and former I.R.S. officials said would provide a legitimate basis for flagging them for closer review.

“Money is not the only thing that matters,” said Donald B. Tobin, a former lawyer with the Justice Department’s tax division who is a law professor at Ohio State University. “While some of the I.R.S. questions may have been overbroad, you can look at some of these groups and understand why these questions were being asked.”

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Testimony from the Inspector General does call out some employees for doing a poor job but in some instances, the poor job was because they didn't do enough questioning.

Republican Hearings Backfire As IRS Testifies That More Groups Need To Be Investigated
The lesson Republicans should have taken from Monday’s IRS hearings is “be careful what you wish for.” One of the recommendations based on the audit is “to conduct a review to assess how the IRS monitors I.R.C. sections 501(c)(4)(6) organizations to ensure that political campaign intervention does not constitute their primary activity.” On top of that, the audit revealed that there were many groups whose political intervention in campaigns should have flagged them for a review.

The Honorable J. Russell George, Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, testified Monday in a House Appropriations Subcommittee on Financial Services and General Government hearing on the IRS “scandal”. George based his testimony on an audit in which they found a few things that don’t bode well for conservatives’ “social welfare groups”, since they outspent liberals 34-1 via nonprofits on political issues. Namely, the IRS needs to investigate more of these groups that are “intervening” in political campaigns, not less.

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George explained that of the 296 cases singled out for review, the majority had indications of significant political campaign intervention. 91 cases did not (31%). Of those 91, only 17 involved Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 groups.

The rest were “targeted” but were not Tea Party/Patriot/9/12 groups.

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Furthermore, nearly three-quarters of the groups “targeted” for inspection were not identified as opponents of the White House, so that blows the idea of being targeted for being a political enemy out of the water.

It was also pointed out that 3,357 applications were made in 2012 compared with 1,735 in 2010, before Citizens United.

George mentioned that inappropriate criteria were used by agents in Ohio, due to a lack of oversight, which was attributable to human challenges (read: lack of funding, and thank a Republican).

The recommendations make the gist of the issue clear. This is not a political scandal, this is a government agency that is understaffed and underfunded, tasked with dealing with a huge influx of “social welfare” groups seeking tax exempt status post Citizens United. These groups were often intervening in political campaigns. The IRS workers were unclear as to how much political work these groups could be doing and still qualify as non profits.

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I hope readers notice that ever so insignificant bit about "three-quarters of the groups targeted . . . were not dentified as opponents of the White House"

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Erod said:

Just chatting about the NCAA tournament, eh Mr. President?

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Do you really think it would take 157 visits for Obama to tell him to go after tea party groups? Lol.

This argument, that we must assume wrong doing based on many visits, is dumb at best.

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We have cell phones now days too. I think 157 is funny too. It kinda goes without saying.

roughdraft274 said:

Do you really think it would take 157 visits for Obama to tell him to go after tea party groups? Lol.

This argument, that we must assume wrong doing based on many visits, is dumb at best.

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Bronson said:

You're living in denial

Ofcourse the IRS being used by the corrupt Obama Administration like the Gestapo to target Obama's political enemies had an effect on the election. It's why Obama managed to get elected. A lot of the grass roots opposition against him was effectively sidelined by his fascist goons during the campaign. This allowed him to use resources that otherwise would have been spent countering such groups on campaign blitzes during the summer trashing Romney as some evil dog murdering tax cheat.

The Left have sold their souls to Obama. They shamelessly try to defend and rationalize fascism. It's disgusting.

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I agree..

Also I think the typical progressive IMO is ignorant, brainwashed or stubborn. I wouldn't hold those opinions if they were baseless.

The communists were quite clear on how they managed to obtain an authoritarian socioeconomic socialist model and which tactics they used to obtain their Animal Farm.

Presently we're in the desensitization process - government is good, the government gives some of us free stuff - anyone who opposes is bad.

I suppose getting free stuff from one party is enough to hate the opposition and enough to trust the hand that feeds you?

In short our present government is like the really nice stranger in the park that gives kids candy and gives them rides to school in his nice big brown 1979 G-van with tinted windows and progressives are the "kids" that take the candy and go for a ride to Wally World.

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pbrauer said:

LOL, this might be one of the few times
when the GOP criticizes people for doing their job. It's unreal.

IRS tax scandal in US: new evidence undermines political bias claims | World news | guardian.co.uk

Nearly three-quarters of the political groups subjected to extra tax inspection during a recent IRS scandal were not identifiably opponents of the White House, officials have revealed.

Republicans have called for a special prosecutor to investigate what they call "attacks on American democracy" after it emerged that rightwing groups were singled out for special treatment by the Inland Revenue Service.

But in testimony before Congress, two senior civil servants brought in to clean up after the affair gave evidence that suggests the reality may have been more complex than a simple case of political bias.

The IRS office in Cincinnati which decides whether to exempt such groups from income tax singled out 72 of them for scrutiny because they were openly affiliated with the Tea Party movement, together with 24 others whose names included associated labels such as "patriot".

To qualify for tax exempt status such groups have to show they are not directly backing a political candidate but they are allowed to campaign on general "civic issues".

However a further 226 other political groups were also placed in the same review whose affiliations were not immediately apparent from their name alone, which is often the case among liberal campaign groups. It remains unknown how many of these were in fact Democrat-leaning groups, partly because individual names cannot be publicly released under IRS confidentiality laws.​

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It was the IRS's job to
illegally release donor information ?

I mean why would the IRS APOLOGIZE for doing their job ?

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j-mac said:

So, when you bring up all these insinuations that the IRS did nothing wrong, you refuse to consider those statements, and facts that show that they did anything wrong....






So, you do think that the IRS did nothing wrong in ideologically targeting political opponents. This is why we have been saying that progressives like you are dangerous to the country.






This is a fine example of why the tax code as it exists now needs to be tossed for a flat tax.






How? You're kidding right? Did you watch any of the testimony yesterday be these various groups? Intimidation, harassment, potential donors scared off for fear of their personal, and business information being made public to political opponents, etc...IOW, true disenfranchisement....


But, you've already stated it pretty clearly Pete, you don't see anything wrong with that as long as it is happening to people you hate. How sad.

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I didn't say the IRS didn't do anything wrong, I think they clearly did. I think they were guilty of being incompetent . The brash of Tea Party applications added to their incompetence. What seems to lost in all of this is the fact is that 501 (c)(4) nonprofit status is meant for organizations that are primarily involved with "social welfare." Show me a tea party organization that's involved with social welfare, I'm not saying they don't exist, but I highly doubt they do. Social welfare organizations are more likely to be liberal organizations. Also, tax exempt organizations are not allowed to campaign for a candidate for office. So your claim of disenfranchisement BS.

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pbrauer said:

I didn't say the IRS didn't do anything wrong,
I think they clearly did. I think they were guilty of being incompetent . The brash of Tea Party applications added to their incompetence. What seems to lost in all of this is the fact is that 501 (c)(4) nonprofit status is meant for organizations that are primarily involved with "social welfare." Show me a tea party organization that's involved with social welfare, I'm not saying they don't exist, but I highly doubt they do. Social welfare organizations are more likely to be liberal organizations. Also, tax exempt organizations are not allowed to campaign for a candidate for office. So your claim of disenfranchisement BS.

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Do you chose to believe your own BS because to actually make an assesment based on facts would counter your corrupt personal ideology ?

And you would rather base your belief system based on lies than admit youv'e spent your adult life following a rotten agenda ?

You know that there was actually a drop in the number of Tea Party request to the IRS after the 2010 elections right ?? In 2009 the number of Tea Party orginizations that filed for that status was close to 75 thousand.

In 2010 it was around 50 thousand. THIS STARTED in 2010.

Whats the point of coming here and continuously lying to yourself and other posters ?

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Mr.Nick said:

I agree..

Also I think the typical progressive IMO is ignorant, brainwashed or stubborn. I wouldn't hold those opinions if they were baseless.

The communists were quite clear on how they managed to obtain an authoritarian socioeconomic socialist model and which tactics they used to obtain their Animal Farm.

Presently we're in the desensitization process - government is good, the government gives some of us free stuff - anyone who opposes is bad.

I suppose getting free stuff from one party is enough to hate the opposition and enough to trust the hand that feeds you?

In short our present government is like the really nice stranger in the park that gives kids candy and gives them rides to school in his nice big brown 1979 G-van with tinted windows and progressives are the "kids" that take the candy and go for a ride to Wally World.

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Which is why PB's only response was a feeble attempt to mock and humiliate. He can't refute facts so he has to seem dismissive to try and marginalize the opposition. The truth though is that PB and the other Obama worshipers who plague these boards have sold out. They are willing to defend any deception, any abuse of power to further their political agenda. In essence they have become the sheep who mindlessly bleet "4 legs good, 2 legs bad".

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Fenton said:

Do you chose to believe your own BS because to actually make an assesment based on facts would counter your corrupt personal ideology ?

And you would rather base your belief system based on lies than admit youv'e spent your adult life following a rotten agenda ?

You know that there was actually a drop in the number of Tea Party request to the IRS after the 2010 elections right ?? In 2009 the number of Tea Party orginizations that filed for that status was close to 75 thousand.

In 2010 it was around 50 thousand. THIS STARTED in 2010.

Whats the point of coming here and continuously lying to yourself and other posters ?

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Are you calling me a liar, Fenton?

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pbrauer said:

Are you calling me a liar, Fenton?

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You know, ten years on these political forums, ( I'm new here but not new to Political forums ) has shown me that some people will cling for their absolute lifes to a agenda or political ideology. It's almost a direct proportional correlation to the number of years they've followed that ideology to the degree of denial they have when that ideology has been outed as either totally corrupt, or filled with corrupt elements.

My parents are Universtity Liberals, my Grandparents, the ones that are still alive and the one's that have since passed away were Southern Democrats.

My Grandfather doesn't recognize the Democrat party he supported for nearly 60 years, and my parents are stuck in isolation, a vacuum of hypotheticals never meant to be applied but bandied around their Liberal world of like minded ideologues like it's a panacea to all our Worlds ills.

So I'm not sure what your problem is. You know the IRSs claim of a way to deal with the "mass influx of Tea Party Claims " after the 2010 elections was a lie. Tea Party and Conservative 501 and 507 Claims DROPPED, not increased.

One of many LIES from the Democrats in the widening IRS scandal.

Had this happened exactly like its going down now under Bush he would have stepped down by now, the MEDIA would be running 24/7 coverage and would be demanding his entire administration step down until a Democrat was appointed, and people like you would be in these forums demanding jail time for every Republican in sight.

So I have no idea what motivates you. It just amazes me that you wouldn't want, like the rest of us to see just how far this went, and want the people who are defining your party as criminals and liars to pay for destroying the Democrat name.

That is if you actually cared about the truth.

You probably don't want to know what I want done, what I think is justified as peoples lives were turned up side down so I'll keep it to myself.