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Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times [W:243]

Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

I believe we need to know the truth, so
in my opinion, he needs to be recalled to testify again.

Why, so we can watch him lie to the Comittee again ?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

I was refering to the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of people that were targeted for just backing Romney's election.

The fact that your'e still trying to mitigate this scandal, the targeting of people by the IRS based on their political affiliation shows you really don't have a problem with what the IRS was doing in the first place.

Your'e pissed because they got caught.

If I KNOW people personally, who got immediate audits after sending a check to Romney's Campaign, then the list of donors who were harrassed is going to be a mile long.

Yes, you guys owe the rest of us a apology. You installed real criminals in Americas highest office.

So quit apologizing for their behaviour and start apologizing for your behaviour.

Electing a empty suite incompetent thug because the media told you to
You're hilarious, Fenton. :cool:
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Why, so we can watch him lie to the Comittee again ?
So, you don't want him t testify again?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Which is completely irrelevant to his oversight testimony, which was near contempt, honestly.

Hes an executive employee subject to congressional oversight whenever they ask for it. His lack of direct testimony about the visits is the problem. I dont care where he met, I care what he discussed and with whom. He did not discuss that at any length.

Can't we easily find out whether he met with O or with anyone in the inner circle?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

So, you don't want him t testify again?

He's a Liberal, a Democrat, a low life who has no problem lying under oath for something you folks wished would happen under a Republican administration.

Just look at him, a beady eyed half man who would sell his integrity for 5 bucks and a hand shake. He will continue to lie, and obfuscate.

It's ok because this investigation has just gotten started as more and more people step up to tell their story's and more and more people are scheduled to give their testimony under Oath.

Like I said, you people put these criminals into power. You owe the rest of us who were intelligent to realize who this guy was, yes this goes back to Obama, a apology.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

You're hilarious, Fenton. :cool:

Your'e disgusting.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Shulman did not visit the WH 157 times, that is just total nonsense. People at Foxnews/Foxnation can work themselves into a frenzy for nothing.

No investigation needed, waste of time and money.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Someone please explain to me how the is evidence of anything.

Yeah, afterall it was just Easter egg rolls. What happened to separation of church and state, after all Easter was started by the RCC.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Here is some of his testimony::cool:

CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

CONNOLLY: Well...

SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

CONNOLLY: All right.

SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.

He never said he didn't have a conversation, just that it wouldn't be appropriate.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Reading your other posts on this subject, I am assuming you think he was being evasive when he mentioned the Easter Egg Roll. What I have learned is the "White House" is actually a complex of three buildings: Eisenhower Executive Office, New Executive Office Building and the actual White House. The list the DC used covers all three. So when he was asked about when he was at the White House, he was talking about the actual White House, so its very possible his answer wasn't being evasive at all.

Ok, so even if I take the latest defense supplied by the progressive defenders of Obama at face value, Shulman was there 157 times....Good grief man, that is a butt load of times....Let's take a look at this answer a little closer shall we?

1. Consider this Pete, "Kathleen Sebelius has by far the most responsibility for ObamaCare implementation, and as HHS Secretary is also an Obama Cabinet official who’s supposed to report directly to the White House, unlike an IRS Commissioner, who should be reporting to the Secretary of the Treasury (or more likely a Deputy Secretary). However, Kathleen Sebelius visited the White House less than 50 times in the same period as Shulamn’s 157 visits, and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner had the same number as Sebelius."

Former IRS Commissioner: I visited WH once in four years; Update: Did Shulman actually attend those meetings? Update: Daily Caller responds « Hot Air

So, explain that if you can. Now one thing that can clear this up, and that is if the WH releases the notes of these supposed ACA meetings, and others that were in attendance at them to confirm that is what it was about. Which brings me to my 2nd point....

2. The arrogance, and contempt behind the answer "Easter egg roll"..... An answer like that would have been just fine if Shulman were at a cocktail party, making a joke, but he wasn't, he was in front of Congress whom is investigating a serious matter. To be that flip about why he would have visited the WH so often shows the full contempt this administration displays for anyone that questions them. Shulman is not the first or only arrogant, contemptuous administration member to appear before congress. Many have displayed these characteristics.

But think about that answer for just a second.....As Jonah Goldberg so aptly put it, Shulman's answer was analogous to someone asking you why you were at Hooters over a hundred times last year, and you answer, 'They have Chicken wings'..... While that may be true, and you may like their wings, the answer is intentional Bull ****, and you'd have to have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek to answer like that.

So, If you Pete are trying to hang your hat on the progressive line of Shulman being appointed by Bush, so we shouldn't speak up, sorry, but that is an awful weak tac toward the usual "infallible arguer" gambit you progressives so often love to use....Shulman, was a democrat that donated to the DNC.

And the kabooke [sic] theater that so often happens in these sorts of things is not helping the administration in its claim that nothing nefarious went on in this scandal...Now, for what its worth, I don't at this point think that Shulman was the instigator in this affair, with or without the President being involved, but this part that hasn't been fully asked about yet is interesting....

"March 31, 2010.

According to the White House Visitors Log, provided here in searchable form by U.S. News and World Report, the president of the anti-Tea Party National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley, visited the White House at 12:30pm that Wednesday noon time of March 31st.

The White House lists the IRS union leader’s visit this way:

Kelley, Colleen Potus 03/31/2010 12:30

In White House language, “POTUS” stands for “President of the United States.”

The very next day after her White House meeting with the President, according to the Treasury Department’s Inspector General’s Report, IRS employees — the same employees who belong to the NTEU — set to work in earnest targeting the Tea Party and conservative groups around America. The IG report wrote it up this way:

April 1-2, 2010: The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager Agreed.

In short: the very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union — the union for IRS employees — met with President Obama, the manager of the IRS “Determinations Unit Program agreed” to open a “Sensitive Case report on the Tea party cases.” As stated by the IG report.

The NTEU is the 150,000 member union that represents IRS employees along with 30 other separate government agencies. Kelley herself is a 14-year IRS veteran agent. The union’s PAC endorsed President Obama in both 2008 and 2012, and gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles to anti-Tea Party candidates.

Putting IRS employees in the position of actively financing anti-Tea Party candidates themselves, while in their official positions in the IRS blocking, auditing, or intimidating Tea Party and conservative groups around the country."

The American Spectator : Obama and the IRS: The Smoking Gun?

This, coupled with Lois Lerner's past track record of exactly this M.O. in targeting conservatives through out her career in government with the FEC, now the IRS, could be a direct link back to Obama himself. It needs to be fully investigated.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Shulman did not visit the WH 157 times, that is just
total nonsense. People at Foxnews/Foxnation can work themselves into a frenzy for nothing.

No investigation needed, waste of time and money.

Lol...."nothing to see here " .....too bad it's not your call.

New comittee's just this week ! Thanks for electing Leftist crooks to run our Country into the ground
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Shulman did not visit the WH 157 times, that is just total nonsense.

How anyone can type this, without knowing that it is a total, and complete lie is beyond me...The number comes directly from WH visitor logs....Now carrying water aside, can we at least agree that facts are facts?

No investigation needed, waste of time and money.

We here in America don't have the same fealty to government as say, the Netherlands.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Facts dont really matter. Do they? Seems to me the Right just makes up stuff, says it over and over...and soon it is a fact, at least in the RW blogoshpere.
How anyone can type this, without knowing that it is a total, and complete lie is beyond me...The number comes directly from WH visitor logs....Now carrying water aside, can we at least agree that facts are facts?



We here in America don't have the same fealty to government as say, the Netherlands.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Facts dont really matter. Do they?

Sure doesn't seem so to the sycophants that have thrills running up their legs for Barry....

Seems to me the Right just makes up stuff, says it over and over...and soon it is a fact, at least in the RW blogoshpere.

:roll: Is that so? And tell me smart guy, did the RW blogosphere make up the WH visitor logs?

Just a little advice, you should stick to liking others inflammatory postings, and concealing your lean....:mrgreen:
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

What makes you think I have anything to conceal? I prettty much tell you what I think. Thanks for the advice. :lamo
Sure doesn't seem so to the sycophants that have thrills running up their legs for Barry....



:roll: Is that so? And tell me smart guy, did the RW blogosphere make up the WH visitor logs?

Just a little advice, you should stick to liking others inflammatory postings, and concealing your lean....:mrgreen:
 
Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

I love the reeling and back spinning going on by the left right now. This guy visits the White House more than Eric Holder during a massive scandal...and there is no way Obama is involved and this is just a witch hunt. Gotta love the victim card from the left.

Here is a news flash. The IRS scandal was HORRIBLE! They got their hands caught in the red paint and now rather than search for the "transparency" they were promised by the Obaminator...it is protect the big wig as much as possible. Never mind that unwarranted wiretapping happened at the DoJ...and that this IRS scandal...nope full speed ahead on the "Peace Prize" President. Lol
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

How anyone can type this, without knowing that it is a total, and complete lie is beyond me...The number comes directly from WH visitor logs....Now carrying water aside, can we at least agree that facts are facts?

Facts? LOL! Of the 157 visits about 118 visits weren't even to the white house itself. They were to the Eisenhower executive building and the new executive office building. That is a fact.

Only 6 times he was scheduled to meet Obama (5 times with just Obama and once with the president and the first lady).

That leaves 33 visits to the white house but on those dates he was not scheduled to meet the president.

Of those 33 dates we can strike 8 dates because Obama was not in the White House at the time Shulman was in the WH.

Of the 25 dates left, we can strike 2 dates because Shulman was there for witnessing the signing of a tax bill (with a lot of other guests)

Leaves 23 dates, of those dates we can strike a further 8 because at the time Shulman was there Obama was in known meetings 7 times and 1 time it was at the moment when Obama was hosting a reception for the Jewish American Heritage Month.

Leaves 15 dates in which both Shulman and Obama where in the WH at the same time. But as Shulman had meetings with other people that too seems unlikely.

So resuming, of the 157 visits 118 weren't at the WH but at office building related to the WH rather than the WH itself. 6 times he met Obama personally, 18 times when he visited the WH it was impossible for him to meet Obama because of the reasons stated above.

A lot of noise from the right for no reason whatsoever.

We here in America don't have the same fealty to government as say, the Netherlands.

The Dutch have a healthy skepticism about their government, we do not have insane conspiracy feelings that are based on nothing.
I would love to
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Facts? LOL! Of the 157 visits about 118 visits weren't even to the white house itself. They were to the Eisenhower executive building and the new executive office building. That is a fact.

Only 6 times he was scheduled to meet Obama (5 times with just Obama and once with the president and the first lady).

That leaves 33 visits to the white house but on those dates he was not scheduled to meet the president.

Of those 33 dates we can strike 8 dates because Obama was not in the White House at the time Shulman was in the WH.

Of the 25 dates left, we can strike 2 dates because Shulman was there for witnessing the signing of a tax bill (with a lot of other guests)

Leaves 23 dates, of those dates we can strike a further 8 because at the time Shulman was there Obama was in known meetings 7 times and 1 time it was at the moment when Obama was hosting a reception for the Jewish American Heritage Month.

Leaves 15 dates in which both Shulman and Obama where in the WH at the same time. But as Shulman had meetings with other people that too seems unlikely.

So resuming, of the 157 visits 118 weren't at the WH but at office building related to the WH rather than the WH itself. 6 times he met Obama personally, 18 times when he visited the WH it was impossible for him to meet Obama because of the reasons stated above.

Then it should be easy for the WH to just release detailed visits, along with whom he met with, and let those actually investigating get to the bottom of it....The more they obfuscate, and try to demonize anyone looking into it, at this point just make them look guilty....

Remember that during the Nixon administration, it was the appearance of impropriety, and cover ups that brought that administration down.

As you will note, I said I don't actually think that Shulman was complicit in setting up this crime, but he did know about it after the fact, and did nothing about it. I detailed that I think it was actually meetings with the NTEU chief, and Obama that was the start of this. But we will have to wait and see.

The Dutch have a healthy skepticism about their government, we do not have insane conspiracy feelings that are based on nothing.
I would love to

The 'nothing to see here, move along' meme is tiresome. You should really get ready to shift that to 'they were ordered to do it' meme.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

How anyone can type this, without knowing that it is a total, and complete lie is beyond me...The number comes directly from WH visitor logs....Now carrying water aside, can we at least agree that facts are facts?



We here in America don't have the same fealty to government as say, the Netherlands.

No, you need to read the caveat associated with those logs, the part I bolded was in the DC report.


White House Visitor Log - The Washington Post

The Obama administration each month releases a log of people who pass through the White House security system, which also includes visits to the vice president's residence and two executive office buildings. The database has more than 2.5 million entries for the period from January 2009 through May. 31, 2012. The log may include some scheduled visits that did not take place and exclude visits by members of Congress, top officials and others who are not required to sign in at security gates.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

No, you need to read the caveat associated with those logs, the part I bolded was in the DC report.


White House Visitor Log - The Washington Post

The Obama administration each month releases a log of people who pass through the White House security system, which also includes visits to the vice president's residence and two executive office buildings. The database has more than 2.5 million entries for the period from January 2009 through May. 31, 2012. The log may include some scheduled visits that did not take place and exclude visits by members of Congress, top officials and others who are not required to sign in at security gates.

Well, fine then. There should be no problem scrutinizing it to make sure nothing is out of order right?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Then it should be easy for the WH to just release detailed visits, along with whom he met with, and let those actually investigating get to the bottom of it....The more they obfuscate, and try to demonize anyone looking into it, at this point just make them look guilty....

Remember that during the Nixon administration, it was the appearance of impropriety, and cover ups that brought that administration down.

As you will note, I said I don't actually think that Shulman was complicit in setting up this crime, but he did know about it after the fact, and did nothing about it. I detailed that I think it was actually meetings with the NTEU chief, and Obama that was the start of this. But we will have to wait and see.



The 'nothing to see here, move along' meme is tiresome. You should really get ready to shift that to 'they were ordered to do it' meme.

Who he met?

6 times he met with POTUS, 5 times alone and once with the FPOTUS

3 times Shulman met Melody Barnes

40 times he had an appointment with Nany Deparle

once he had an appointment with Germain Deseve

once he had an appointment with Emanual Ezekiel

once he had an appointment with Keith Font

once he had an appointment with Austan Golshee

once he had an appointment with Alex Hornbrook

once he had an appointment with Dana Hyde

once he had an appointment with Chelsea Kammerer

once he had an appointment with Alan Krueger

once he had an appointment with Jeanne Lambrew

once he had an appointment with Chris Lu

once he had an appointment with Chad Maisel

3 times he had an appointment with Jeptha Nafziger

once he had an appointment with Peter Orszag

once he had an appointment with Cass Sunstein

once he had an appointment with Danny Werfel

54 times Shulman had an appointment with Sarah Fenn

11 times Shulman had an appointment with Jason Furmann

twice he had an appointment with Mike Hash

twice he had an appointment with Robert Nabors

twice he had an appointment with Margeret Weiss

4 times he had an appointment with Jeff Zients

twice the appointment was with Visitors Office

5 times he had an appointment with Cecelia Munoz

7 times he had an appointment with Ariel Levin
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Who he met?

6 times he met with POTUS, 5 times alone and once with the FPOTUS

Ok, details of the meetings?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Ok, details of the meetings?

two visits happened after Shulman left the IRS, once was for a West Wing Tour, once for an Econ PDB.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

two visits happened after Shulman left the IRS, once was for a West Wing Tour, once for an Econ PDB.

Ok, and none of these would we know the actual goings on of the meetings without minutes, and transcripts...I'm just sayin', shady goings on are never in the open for everyone to see. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be digging to make sure it was on the up and up.....
 
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