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Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times [W:243]

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Fenton said:
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So I'm not sure what your problem is. You know the IRSs claim of a way to deal with the "mass influx of Tea Party Claims " after the 2010 elections was a lie. Tea Party and Conservative 501 and 507 Claims DROPPED, not increased.

One of many LIES from the Democrats in the widening IRS scandal.

Had this happened exactly like its going down now under Bush he would have stepped down by now, the MEDIA would be running 24/7 coverage and would be demanding his entire administration step down until a Democrat was appointed, and people like you would be in these forums demanding jail time for every Republican in sight.

So I have no idea what motivates you. It just amazes me that you wouldn't want, like the rest of us to see just how far this went, and want the people who are defining your party as criminals and liars to pay for destroying the Democrat name.

That is if you actually cared about the truth.

You probably don't want to know what I want done, what I think is justified as peoples lives were turned up side down so I'll keep it to myself.
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Where do you get the numbers on Tea Party tax exemption requests? Fewer IRS workers can be over burdened even when the total number of applications drops. Did you not see the statement that three-quarters of the IRS requests for additional info went to groups with no known political affiliations?

So I have no idea what motivates you. Bush people did worse things with the IRS, actions which have been posted several times - why are you denying history.

I don't believe you care about the truth unless it fits your ideology. You have posted far too many claims that others have shown to be untrue.


"You probably don't want to know what I want done," You are right, I don't - but considering your rather violent rhetoric in other posts, I can imagine what you dream about
 
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Fenton said:
So I have no idea what motivates you. It just amazes me that you wouldn't want, like the rest of us to see just how far this went, and want the people who are defining your party as criminals and liars to pay for destroying the Democrat name.
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He's motivated by a religious fanaticism in Big Government collectivist Marxism. He sold his soul to it and is now reduced to defending outright deception, tyranny and abuse of power to further that agenda.

In all honesty it's pointless even engaging people like PB and Somerville. What does it say about their character when they are knowingly obfuscating and rationalizing what the IRS is doing to Obama's political opposition under liberal control. It's a disgrace. Anyone defending this Gestapo nonsense is American in name only.
 
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If Tea Party members are so anti-government why are they asking for tax exemptions? Shouldn't they stand up for their principles of individual responsibility?

They are political groups with political agendas and are not reticent in stating that their purpose is to bring down the present Administration and his "Big Government collectivist Marxism" - so what is their justification for demanding tax exemptions as a "social welfare" charity?
 
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Somerville said:
If Tea Party members are so anti-government why are they asking for tax exemptions? Shouldn't they stand up for their principles of individual responsibility?

They are political groups with political agendas and are not reticent in stating that their purpose is to bring down the present Administration and his "Big Government collectivist Marxism" - so what is their justification for demanding tax exemptions as a "social welfare" charity?
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When will you vote to relieve them of the associated tax burden so they can?

ANSWER: Never.
 
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Somerville said:
Where do you get the numbers on Tea
Party tax exemption requests? Fewer IRS workers can be over burdened even when the total number of applications drops. Did you not see the statement that three-quarters of the IRS requests for additional info went to groups with no known political affiliations?

So I have no idea what motivates you. Bush people did worse things with the IRS, actions which have been posted several times - why are you denying history.

I don't believe you care about the truth unless it fits your ideology. You have posted far too many claims that others have shown to be untrue.


"You probably don't want to know what I want done," You are right, I don't - but considering your rather violent rhetoric in other posts, I can imagine what you dream about
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LOL !!

You people and your Bush infactuations.

Do you all have little Bush dolls made out of shower drain hair, tooth picks, and sun-dried fruit ?

Lie. Bush's administration did those things in your twisted dreams of "reality ".

First, the Obama administration spent Billions to set up donors to run Green energy companies that were doomed to fail. There has been NO accountabillity for the money lost.

Second, the Obama administration along with a AG who commited perjury sent thousands of fully automatic weapons into the hands of the drug Cartels. Hundreds og Mexican citizens and one American border guard lost their life. The US AG lied under OATH, there has been no accountabillity.

Third, the Obama administration and the State Dept put people on a suicide mission by mandating a Embassy be built right in the middle of a Hotbed of terrorist activity. They ignored request for extra security, ignored a TWELVE FOOT HOLE that was blown in the wall of that embassy, and then concted a LIE that it was a the fault of a VIDEO because it was politically expedient. The lieing Bitch Hillary lied straight to the face of the Father who lost is son there telling him " we will get the man eho made that video". NO ONE has been held accountable, not even the terrorist that killed our ambassador

Fourth, the Obama administration used the lieing AG to snoop into the E-mails of a Journalist under false pretenses and then went judge shopping to get a warrant. Holder perjured himself and BTW, has until midnight tonight to make a statement to Congress.

Fifth, the Obama administration after the 2010 ass kicking used its IRS agency to target American citizens for their political view points. The Senate asked for specific documents and gave the IRS until May 31 to produce them. THE IRS IGNORED THEIR REQUEST. Top IRS officials under questioning took the fifth . It all started a day after. Obama met with the head of the IRSs Union.

Sixth, after 4.5 years of economic misery and chronic joblessnes the best your President can do is to tell his FED appointee is to load up on US debt and keep interest rates low. Its just another lie from a criminally stupid President. An entire economy proped up with FED printing and Wall Street just waiting for him to pull the plug on QE so they can sell all of the overpriced assets and bonds off ASAP.

So spare me yoir pathetic Bush blame and mitigation. NOTHING remotely comparable to these scandals happened under Bush in reality.

So go ahead, keep defending whats going to go down in History as the most corrupt , most incompetent Administration we've ever had the misfortune of living under. It just shows your level of naivete.
 
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pbrauer said:
I didn't say the IRS didn't do anything wrong, I think they clearly did. I think they were guilty of being incompetent . The brash of Tea Party applications added to their incompetence. What seems to lost in all of this is the fact is that 501 (c)(4) nonprofit status is meant for organizations that are primarily involved with "social welfare." Show me a tea party organization that's involved with social welfare, I'm not saying they don't exist, but I highly doubt they do. Social welfare organizations are more likely to be liberal organizations. Also, tax exempt organizations are not allowed to campaign for a candidate for office. So your claim of disenfranchisement BS.
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MoveOn.org is a 501 (c)(4) nonprofit organization. I doubt that any Tea Party organization exceeds MoveOn.org's level of political engagement.:cool:
 
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Jack Hays said:
MoveOn.org is a 501 (c)(4) nonprofit organization. I doubt that any Tea Party organization exceeds MoveOn.org's level of political engagement.:cool:
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Moveon.org deals with issues, not candidates. Here is the issue they are currently supporting:

 
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Jack Hays said:
Precisely. And so do the Tea Party groups.:cool:
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But the Tea Party were against President Obama, do I need to remind you about all their signs?:cool:
 
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pbrauer said:
But the Tea Party were against President Obama, do I need to remind you about all their signs?:cool:
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Their advertising was precisely analogous to MoveOn.org's anti-Romney campaigning. Everyone uses the same playbook. "We are against torturing dogs. Tell [fill in the blank] to stop supporting the torture of dogs.":cool:
 
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Jack Hays said:
Their advertising was precisely analogous to MoveOn.org's anti-Romney campaigning. Everyone uses the same playbook. "We are against torturing dogs. Tell [fill in the blank] to stop supporting the torture of dogs.":cool:
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How many Tea Party organizations versus the number of Moveon.org organizations are there? I believe the rules for everyone should be the same. The problem I see, is it seems as though everyone wants to blame President Obama for the problems. I listened to Limbaugh today and he complained that the "scandals" were not touching Obama. :cool:
 
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pbrauer said:
How many Tea Party organizations versus the number of Moveon.org organizations are there? I believe the rules for everyone should be the same. The problem I see, is it seems as though everyone wants to blame President Obama for the problems. I listened to Limbaugh today and he complained that the "scandals" were not touching Obama. :cool:
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The question of the number of organizations on either side is irrelevant. That's merely an expression of popular engagement. I don't care what Limbaugh says. You apparently listen to him more than I do.:cool:
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

pbrauer said:
How many Tea Party organizations versus the number of Moveon.org organizations are there? I believe the rules for everyone should be the same. The problem I see, is it seems as though everyone wants to blame President Obama for the problems. I listened to Limbaugh today and he complained that the "scandals" were not touching Obama. :cool:
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Well maybe you should look at the latest Bloomberg polls that show the majority of people now believe Obama is not being truthful when it comes to the IRS scandal. And this may not be affecting Obama in the sense that he's going to be forced to step down, ( if he had a shred of character and integrity he would ) but it is affecting him in the sense that it is defining his administration, the Democrat Party and his Legacy as the most corrupt and incompetent administration in our Nations History.

EVERYTHING out of this administration is a lie. From the economy to the IRS scandal, all lies, manipulations, half truths and full on Bull Sh**.

Slowly the truth on Benghazi, on the IRS on Eric Holder's ( he has until midnight to respond to the Congress 's charges that he committed perjury ) unprecedented attack on the first amendment will eek out and will prove the Conservatives were right on the money since 2007 about this narcissistic clown Obama.

Oh and by the way, as you attempt to justify the Democrats slimy low life goings on, the Congressional investigation that's going to sink these clowns is the investigation we don't get to see. Behind closed doors, as witnesses and the accused are put under oath.
 
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Fenton said:
Well maybe you should look at the latest Bloomberg polls that show the majority of people now believe Obama is not being truthful when it comes to the IRS scandal. And this may not be affecting Obama in the sense that he's going to be forced to step down, ( if he had a shred of character and integrity he would ) but it is affecting him in the sense that it is defining his administration, the Democrat Party and his Legacy as the most corrupt and incompetent administration in our Nations History.

EVERYTHING out of this administration is a lie. From the economy to the IRS scandal, all lies, manipulations, half truths and full on Bull Sh**.

Slowly the truth on Benghazi, on the IRS on Eric Holder's ( he has until midnight to respond to the Congress 's charges that he committed perjury ) unprecedented attack on the first amendment will eek out and will prove the Conservatives were right on the money since 2007 about this narcissistic clown Obama.

Oh and by the way, as you attempt to justify the Democrats slimy low life goings on, the Congressional investigation that's going to sink these clowns is the investigation we don't get to see. Behind closed doors, as witnesses and the accused are put under oath.
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Eric Holder did not commit perjury:

The Volokh Conspiracy » Did Eric Holder Lie to Congress?
The Volokh Conspiracy » If That’s the Case for Holder Lying Under Oath, It’s Not Just Weak — It’s Bordering on Silly
 
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Jack Hays said:
Actually, it looks to me like he did, and your links help make the case against him.:cool:
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You might be correct. :cool:
 
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pbrauer said:
Eric Holder did not commit perjury:

The Volokh Conspiracy » Did Eric Holder Lie to Congress?
The Volokh Conspiracy » If That’s the Case for Holder Lying Under Oath, It’s Not Just Weak — It’s Bordering on Silly
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LOL !!

Your'e unreal. What you won't do to cover for these criminals, for these liars. Well at least your admitting in a way that he's a unabashed liar, but " he didn't commit any crimes" ...

It's not up to you, a internet apologist for a corrupt and incompetent administration.

He absolutely did commit perjury.

This just shows, if it were left up to the democrats, if the House were controlled by the Democrats how all of this corruption and criminal acts by low life's would be swept under the rug.

Any way, speaking of Democrats, the IRS was supposed to produce some documents for the Senate committee..... they had until 5/31/13.......they're still waiting.

If the IRS has nothing to hide, because of course they were just trying to keep up with the "massive gargantuan influx of Tea Party Request" , ( a big fat lie ) then why won't they produce the documents on time.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Please stay on topic, which is not each other.
 
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I truly believe most people in America, even the ones who barely pay attention, are begining to see the the stupid from the right. I think the only ones the scandals are playing to are the Fauxite Choir members which are so consumed with Obama hate nothing he does good or bad really matters. And I bet they keep doubling down on it.
pbrauer said:
How many Tea Party organizations versus the number of Moveon.org organizations are there? I believe the rules for everyone should be the same. The problem I see, is it seems as though everyone wants to blame President Obama for the problems. I listened to Limbaugh today and he complained that the "scandals" were not touching Obama. :cool:
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mak2 said:
I truly believe most people in America, even the ones who barely pay attention, are begining to see the the stupid from the right...
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Yeah...and you'd be wrong...

According to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, when asked about each of three current controversies — Benghazi, the IRS scandal, and the Justice Department’s monitoring of journalists — at least 55 percent of respondents in each case say the scandal raises doubts about “the overall honesty and integrity of the Obama administration.” And for each, at least 39 percent say it raises major doubts (with Benghazi the highest at 45 percent).
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Polls show controversies taking toll on Obama
 
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mak2 said:
I truly believe most people in America, even
the ones who barely pay attention, are
begining to see the the stupid from the right. I think the only ones the scandals are playing to are the Fauxite Choir members which are so consumed with Obama hate nothing he does good or bad really matters. And I bet they keep doubling down on it.
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You may " truly believe " that for the sole reason of you personally wanting this to go away but the truth is the majority of American citizens dont like being lied to and/or targeted by their government just because they disagree with their Governments destructive policies.

You folks on the left would let Obama and his cronies walk away from the scandals.

Don't assume we all will.
 
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Here is what I see the progressives essentially arguing in a nutshell....


Jack Hays said:
MoveOn.org is a 501 (c)(4) nonprofit organization. I doubt that any Tea Party organization exceeds MoveOn.org's level of political engagement.:cool:
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pbrauer said:
Moveon.org deals with issues, not candidates.
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Jack Hays said:
Precisely. And so do the Tea Party groups.
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pbrauer said:
But the Tea Party were against President Obama...
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So, I guess in the far left mind, it is BECAUSE the groups applying for 501 status are against progressives, their ideas, and their Presidents policies, then they deserve to be targeted, harassed, and hell, I bet if you really pushed, you could get Pete, and others to admit that they'd really like any dissenters of Obama and Co. jailed.
 
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j-mac said:
Here is what I see the progressives essentially arguing in a nutshell....










So, I guess in the far left mind, it is BECAUSE the groups applying for 501 status are against progressives, their ideas, and their Presidents policies, then they deserve to be targeted, harassed, and hell, I bet if you really pushed, you could get Pete, and others to admit that they'd really like any dissenters of Obama and Co. jailed.
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I'm not sure he'd be for jailing us, but I take your point.:cool:
 
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