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'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

TheNextEra said:
And if people start attacking innocent Muslims than they deserve no better than these radical Muslims that attacked the soldier.

Radicalism doesn't excuse stupidity.
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Yeah, well see there's this thing that muslims do that makes it a bit harder to identify who's the good the bad and the ugly; they don't wear uniforms. Their soldiers look like civilians, like you and me, so it is inevitable that some innocents will get hurt, but who's fault is it? If the people feel as though they are not being protected due to the cowardly actions of the governments in which they fall under, history has shown MANY times that the people will eventually take it upon themselves to eradicate the danger. I for one agree with the people!

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PeteEU said:
LOL so you think that it is only terror if they say "praise jesus" or the Muslim equivalent? Get a grip and wake up.
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That's not what I said Peter. Adam Lanza did not kill all those kids in the name of Jesus. Nidal Hasan and other Islamic pigs praised Allah when they carried out terrorist acts. If you asked them why they did it they would tell you they are soldiers for Allah(Satan) fighting non believers in holy war. Or words to that effect. Why do you bother, go back and bury your head in the sand.
 
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Hicup said:
Yeah, well see there's this thing that muslims do that makes it a bit harder to identify who's the good the bad and the ugly; they don't wear uniforms. Their soldiers look like civilians, like you and me, so it is inevitable that some innocents will get hurt, but who's fault is it? If the people feel as though they are not being protected due to the cowardly actions of the governments in which they fall under, history has shown MANY times that the people will eventually take it upon themselves to eradicate the danger. I for one agree with the people!

Tim-
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It's inevitable, and it will be ugly.

Horrific, violent times are ahead for our children. Keeps me up at night.

Won't be long before Boston is commonplace inside the U.S., and people are going to start taking matters into their own hands.
 
SgtRock said:
That's not what I said Peter. Adam Lanza did not kill all those kids in the name of Jesus. Nidal Hasan and other Islamic pigs praised Allah when they carried out terrorist acts. If you asked them why they did it they would tell you they are soldiers for Allah(Satan) fighting non believers in holly war. Or words to that effect. Why do you bother, go back and bury your head in the sand.
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Don't bother. This is WAY beyond him.
 
Hicup said:
Yeah, well see there's this thing that muslims do that makes it a bit harder to identify who's the good the bad and the ugly; they don't wear uniforms. Their soldiers look like civilians, like you and me, so it is inevitable that some innocents will get hurt, but who's fault is it? If the people feel as though they are not being protected due to the cowardly actions of the governments in which they fall under, history has shown MANY times that the people will eventually take it upon themselves to eradicate the danger. I for one agree with the people!

Tim-
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So if innocent Muslims get killed, you agree with that?
 
Hicup said:
In both the USA, Canada, and Western Europe, it really is a matter of time before the people start taking matters into their own hands. What these radicals don't understand is that some peaceful muslims are going to get the brunt of it.


Tim-
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Good Lord, Tim, ya think they haven't already??? :doh

How many innocent peaceful-loving Iraqis have died in the last 10 years at the hands of Americans??? Jeepers, it does not take a rocket scientists to put yourself in their shoes. :roll:
 
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VanceMack said:
"Understand" that your enemy is a collection of extremist fundamentalist ****s that think nothing of slaughtering innocent and unarmed men women and children in the glorious cause of Allah and Jihad. They are the same people that execute women for the crime of being raped and kill women for daring to teach their children how to read. Understand that your enemy isnt going to be assuaged by a few hugs and pats on the head. They arent 'reasonable' people and wont be negotiated with. But go ahead and try to be reasonable and caring and loving to them.
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Understanding their hatred serves better purpose than killing more muslims. See what I'm saying, or is it more fun to make leaps of assumptions? Cripes, there are some radicals here, at DP, who want all Muslims wiped out. Take a good hard look at this thread.
 
TheNextEra said:
So if innocent Muslims get killed, you agree with that?
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No, actually I don't, but I prefer that our own innocents are kept safe, and if I had to choose I'd pick us over them, period!

Good Lord, Tim, ya think they haven't already???

How many innocent peaceful-loving Iraqis have died in the last 10 years at the hands of Americans??? Jeepers, it does not take a rocket scientists to put yourself in their shoes.
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Gawd we can play this game all day long and well into the night, MG. As far as peace loving Muslims, I say it's TIME TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED!!!!!!!!!! If you say nothing, to me you're complicit, or at least tacitly to blame!


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Hicup said:
No, actually I don't, but I prefer that our own innocents are kept safe, and if I had to choose I'd pick us over them, period!
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Talk about religion of peace, huh?

Hicup said:
Gawd we can play this game all day long and well into the night, MG. As far as peace loving Muslims, I say it's TIME TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED!!!!!!!!!! If you say nothing, to me you're complicit, or at least tacitly to blame!


Tim-
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This is why illogical argument should be ignored. The ones living peacefully, minding their own business share the blame for crazy jerks just because they aren't vocal enough for your tastes? Wow.
 
Ikari said:
Talk about religion of peace, huh?



This is why illogical argument should be ignored. The ones living peacefully, minding their own business share the blame for crazy jerks just because they aren't vocal enough for your tastes? Wow.
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For my tastes? How about not vocal at all.. I'm sorry but I love my country and way of life. When beheadings start happening in the streets randomly, I say it's insane NOT to do anything!


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
For my tastes? How about not vocal at all.. I'm sorry but I love my country and way of life. When beheadings start happening in the streets randomly, I say it's insane NOT to do anything!


Tim-
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There's all sorts of **** that happens in our streets everyday. From murder to human trafficking. And while one can certainly respond to crimes committed, such as murder, to blame an entire people because of the actions of a few is irrational. And the reaction people take in authorizing government force because everything gets labeled as "terrorism" these days is also irrational.
 
Ikari said:
There's all sorts of **** that happens in our streets everyday. From murder to human trafficking. And while one can certainly respond to crimes committed, such as murder, to blame an entire people because of the actions of a few is irrational. And the reaction people take in authorizing government force because everything gets labeled as "terrorism" these days is also irrational.
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Well now, there it is isn't it? Let's use your example of crime in the streets everyday.

1. In America people of all walks of life are murdered everyday.
2. Murder is a crime against anyone and one that has no defense.
3. American's punish all murderers.

1. In Islam people of all walks of life are murdered everyday.
2. Murder is lawful in Islam depending on the victim.
3. Islam does not punish all murderers.


Do I need to say more?


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Well now, there it is isn't it? Let's use your example of crime in the streets everyday.

1. In America people of all walks of life are murdered everyday.
2. Murder is a crime against anyone and one that has no defense.
3. American's punish all murderers.

1. In Islam people of all walks of life are murdered everyday.
2. Murder is lawful in Islam depending on the victim.
3. Islam does not punish all murderers.


Do I need to say more?


Tim-
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We don't punish all murderers. The richer you are, the more likely you are to get off...also the whiter you are helps too. Also we don't find everyone. And none of this matters because this beheading happened in England where A) Murder in general is illegal regardless of religion, B) They prosecute murderers.

So yes, you do need to say more, but make it rational and applicable this time.
 
Middleground said:
Understanding their hatred serves better purpose than killing more muslims. See what I'm saying, or is it more fun to make leaps of assumptions? Cripes, there are some radicals here, at DP, who want all Muslims wiped out. Take a good hard look at this thread.
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There are extremist fundamentalists (certainly not all Muslims) that are very easy to understand. Excuse their behavior, justifying it, ignoring it, or tripping over yourself in a rush to drag other religions into it simply ensures their behavior will continue unchecked. Kinda telling. They used to do their beheadings in taped secret hideouts...now they are doing it on the streets of London and pretty much telling you...its only just beginning. You need more 'understanding'? Cuz...I can post pics and videos.
 
VanceMack said:
There are extremist fundamentalists (certainly not all Muslims) that are very easy to understand. Excuse their behavior, justifying it, ignoring it, or tripping over yourself in a rush to drag other religions into it simply ensures their behavior will continue unchecked. Kinda telling. They used to do their beheadings in taped secret hideouts...now they are doing it on the streets of London and pretty much telling you...its only just beginning. You need more 'understanding'? Cuz...I can post pics and videos.
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That begs a question.

Was the killer in this case always a extremist? Or was he a moderate who became extreme due to some influence.
 
VanceMack said:
There are extremist fundamentalists (certainly not all Muslims) that are very easy to understand. Excuse their behavior, justifying it, ignoring it, or tripping over yourself in a rush to drag other religions into it simply ensures their behavior will continue unchecked. Kinda telling. They used to do their beheadings in taped secret hideouts...now they are doing it on the streets of London and pretty much telling you...its only just beginning. You need more 'understanding'? Cuz...I can post pics and videos.
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Vance, people are not born radicals. Unlike what you presume, my intention is to not coddle them. It's silly to even think it. I despise radicals as much as any normal thinking human. But what I want to know is... what causes them to be that way? Once that is figured out, wouldn't it be so much better trying to fix those issues rather than bombing the **** out of them? Because if one chooses the latter, I suspect that more radicals will develop from such choices and the cycle would never end.

Now do you see where I am coming from?
 
Ikari said:
We don't punish all murderers. The richer you are, the more likely you are to get off...also the whiter you are helps too. Also we don't find everyone. And none of this matters because this beheading happened in England where A) Murder in general is illegal regardless of religion, B) They prosecute murderers.

So yes, you do need to say more, but make it rational and applicable this time.
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You completely missed the point of my response. My response has nothing to do with England, and it's laws. It has to do with Islam and its laws!


Tim-
 
zimmer said:
This... "understand why they do it..." goes back more than 10-years.
It's moronic in the vein of how the Left frames it.
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It's moronic that people still don't understand why the US continues to be attacked. It's our foreign policy.
 
Middleground said:
Vance, people are not born radicals. Unlike what you presume, my intention is to not coddle them. It's silly to even think it. I despise radicals as much as any normal thinking human. But what I want to know is... what causes them to be that way? Once that is figured out, wouldn't it be so much better trying to fix those issues rather than bombing the **** out of them? Because if one chooses the latter, I suspect that more radicals will develop from such choices and the cycle would never end.

Now do you see where I am coming from?
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Some people are born into radical environments. Some people also choose to become radicalized. Non muslims join up the great and glorious cause and go to the ME to engage in Jihad (and not just poor underprivileged starving people). Radicalism...extremism...its a movement. Its a movement that is fairly overt. Turning a blind eye to the overt flamethrowing fundamentalists in your back yard (as in what is happening in England or for that matter in Boston a month ago) does not resolve the problems...it FEEDS the problems. The extremist is an asshole looking for a cause to land on. Perhaps when that vast majority of Muslims and all the rest of the world reaches a point where they are all committed to targeting and eliminating the extremists people will stop seeing it as an option or will at least go back to hiding in their caves. The asshole in question did it on the streets of England. Think about WHAT he did for a second and you will get a feel for who exactly you are dealing with. Sawing a mans head off with a machete is not a quick clean process. You have to be actively engaged in that work. That should speak volumes as to who you are dealing with. And before we rush to 'understand' their upset over British and American tropps in the ME, lets not forget these are the same people that wrap primer chord around the heads of school children, that rape and behead entire families in India, that hang and burn gay youths in Iran, that slaughter 12 young ...

Get the picture? The excuse of US and British presence in the ME is just this weeks excuse and nothing more.
 
Quik said:
It's moronic that people still don't understand why the US continues to be attacked. It's our foreign policy.
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Beheaded girls were Ramadan 'trophies'
BY:STEPHEN FITZPATRICK, JAKARTA CORRESPONDENT From: The Australian November 09, 2006 12:00AM

THREE Christian high school girls were beheaded as a Ramadan "trophy" by Indonesian militants who conceived the idea after a visit to Philippines jihadists, a court heard yesterday.

The girls' severed heads were dumped in plastic bags in their village in Indonesia's strife-torn Central Sulawesi province, along with a handwritten note threatening more such attacks.

The note read: "Wanted: 100 more Christian heads, teenaged or adult, male or female; blood shall be answered with blood, soul with soul, head with head."

Javanese trader Hasanuddin appeared in Jakarta Central Court yesterday charged with planning and directing the murders in October last year. He faces a death sentence if found guilty under anti-terrorism legislation.

Its just moronic why those schoolgirls dont get why they were beheaded.

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VanceMack said:
Beheaded girls were Ramadan 'trophies'
BY:STEPHEN FITZPATRICK, JAKARTA CORRESPONDENT From: The Australian November 09, 2006 12:00AM
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THREE Christian high school girls were beheaded as a Ramadan "trophy" by Indonesian militants who conceived the idea after a visit to Philippines jihadists, a court heard yesterday.

The girls' severed heads were dumped in plastic bags in their village in Indonesia's strife-torn Central Sulawesi province, along with a handwritten note threatening more such attacks.

The note read: "Wanted: 100 more Christian heads, teenaged or adult, male or female; blood shall be answered with blood, soul with soul, head with head."
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Please elaborate on that.

Its just moronic why those schoolgirls dont get why they were beheaded.
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Were they American? FAIL
 
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